How do I search for a Specified Term in a List of Verses?

Hi fellow Logos users,

I've been playing around in the software, but I'm still struggling to find a few features. I wish to:

learn how to search by lemma in the Weber Vulgate (Biblia Sacra iuxta Vulgatam Versionem)
Figure out how to perform this search-by-lemma operation on a preset selection of verses: for example, all the Bible verses included in the first edition of Bartlett’s Familiar Quotations. For instance, if in reading the Vulgate Bible I run into the Latin word framea and do not immediately know what it means, I want to be able to run an immediate search that will identify any and all Bible verses from Bartlett’s Familiar Quotations that contain the word framea.

Any help in this matter would be greatly appreciated. Also, if this is a feature that would be available in a previous, or newer version of Logos, I'm happy to make the switch.

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delete12066188

Hi Nathan

if I understand you right I would go. In the second Scan you place the Resource where you wanna look

delete12066188

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1138942#Comment_1138942

funny I have a few Books with this Word

Graham Criddle

Hi Nathan - and welcome to the forums

Figure out how to perform this search-by-lemma operation on a preset selection of verses: for example, all the Bible verses included in the first edition of Bartlett’s Familiar Quotations. For instance, if in reading the Vulgate Bible I run into the Latin word framea and do not immediately know what it means, I want to be able to run an immediate search that will identify any and all Bible verses from Bartlett’s Familiar Quotations that contain the word framea.

For this, there are a number of steps.

The first is to create a Passage List - https://wiki.logos.com/Passage_List - containing all the biblical verses in the resource you are interested in.

For Familiar Quotations there is a section for the Bible and so you can select all of the text in that section and then create a Passage List from that selected text.

You can then use the Passage List to define the search range in a Bible such as the Vulgate

However, running the search you mention against this passage list in the Vulgate doesn't return any results. So I might be missing a detail of what you are trying to do - and I don't know Latin so might be missing something there.

Please have a look and get back to us about whether this helps

Graham

Dave Hooton

For instance, if in reading the Vulgate Bible I run into the Latin word framea and do not immediately know what it means, I want to be able to run an immediate search that will identify any and all Bible verses from Bartlett’s Familiar Quotations that contain the word framea.

I'm puzzled why you would want to glean meaning from a book with a limited biblical vocabulary e.g. if you find framea (spear) in the NT (Jn 19:34), how does it help if Bartlett only gives you quotes from the OT (Is 2:4, Micah 4:3)? For another word, Bartlett may not have a quote. Why not lookup the verse in an English bible? For example, you can link the Vulgate with an English bible and immediately see Jn 19:34 in English.

More specifically, you can right click the word in the Vulgate and get a definition/gloss on the left side of the menu. Then, if you have a lexicon for the Vulgate you can perform a Lookup on the right side of the menu (this should be possible if the Vulgate has lemmas).

I can only give you a Greek bible by way of illustration (in Jn 19:34):-

Nathan Adam Enos

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1138942#Comment_1138942

Hi Sascha, thanks for your help. The screen captures are especially helpful! I am still learning how to conduct Logos searches, but you have encouraged me a lot. Danke!

Nathan Adam Enos

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1138960#Comment_1138960

Graham, thanks so much for your help! As the screen shot above indicates, there are twenty instances of the character string Deus in the Weber-Gryson Vulgate’s Latin text of verses from Genesis that Bartlett quotes. I used a passage list, as you suggested.

I still haven’t figured out how to search the Vulgate by lemma, though. That could capture in one search all instances of all the forms of the word Deus in all the passages that I’ve included in my passage list: not only Deus, but instances of Dei, deorum, deos, Deum, dii, and diis, as well. I’d rather use one search than seven.

Might I be able to bring the Analytical Concordance of the Vulgate to my aid? It aims to identify every instance of every vocable in the Vulgate Bible. But I don’t see how to harness it.

Thanks again!

Nathan Adam Enos

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1139058#Comment_1139058

Dave,

Thanks for a great question! The Bible verses in Bartlett’s Familiar Quotations are a convenient set of well-known passages that many Bible readers are likely to recognize or remember. Encountering one of these passages in Latin might give someone with a little knowledge of Latin a hint as to the meaning of a new word like framea; it could offer an example of that word used in a familiar biblical context. Figuring out the word’s meaning might be more fun than constantly switching between Latin and English.

My father uses this approach to learning Hebrew: every day he reads a verse from Bartlett’s in Hebrew. Here is an example from his Bible reading schedule for November 30: PR‌30:‌11-15(טו״ לעלוקה שתי בנות הב הב). The “PR30” tells him that the unpointed Hebrew words come from Proverbs 30. He recognizes בנות as ‘daughter’ and שתי as ‘two’; he notices that הב is repeated at the end of the proverb—and that’s about as much as he can figure out. But from that little he can scarcely avoid realizing that עלוקה must mean ‘leech’, that ל must be the common Hebrew preposition meaning ‘to’, and that הב, often pronounced “have,” actually means just about the opposite of have: it must mean give, since that both the leech’s two daughters bear. “To the leech [there are] two daughters: Give! Give!” He likes this approach to language learning. Others might hate it, of course: different people learn in very different ways.

Of course, this approach won’t always work, because the word in question might not show up in any of Bartlett’s very limited list of Bible verses. That’s the case with framea.

delete12066188

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1139058#Comment_1139058

you can link it and with one click you have it

Nathan Adam Enos

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1138960#Comment_1138960

Thanks so much for your help! As the screen shot above indicates, there are twenty instances of the character string Deus in the Weber-Gryson Vulgate’s Latin text of verses from Genesis that Bartlett quotes. I used a passage list, as you suggested.

I still haven’t figured out how to search the Vulgate by lemma, though. That could capture in one search all instances of all the forms of the word Deus in all the passages that I’ve included in my passage list: not only Deus, but instances of Dei, deorum, deos, Deum, dii, and diis, as well. I’d rather use one search than seven.

Might I be able to bring the Analytical Concordance of the Vulgate to my aid? It aims to identify every instance of every vocable in the Vulgate Bible. But I don’t see how to harness it.

Thanks again!

Dave Hooton

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1139298#Comment_1139298

I still haven’t figured out how to search the Vulgate by lemma, though

Look at my screen shot of a Greek bible, above. If you right click a word, you will see if there is a lemma (circled in red) and then you can select a Search under the Lemma heading. If there is no symbol for a lemma then you cannot search! But an Analytical lexicon may be useful as it will give you the lemma (and its meanings) when you enter the manuscript word.

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1139298#Comment_1139298

I still haven’t figured out how to search the Vulgate by lemma, though. That could capture in one search all instances of all the forms of the word Deus in all the passages that I’ve included in my passage list: not only Deus, but instances of Dei, deorum, deos, Deum, dii, and diis, as well. I’d rather use one search than seven.

Welcome [:D]

Right Click on Deus in Clementine Vulgate Genesis 1:1 has lemma on left side (Ring icon for Bible Word Study) that has Search in Bible option on right side:

<Lemma = lbs/la/deus> (lbs = Logos Morphology, la = Latin)

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