Topics In Passage Guide Frustrating - Philippians 3:10

Ben Vargh

I am looking for topics on self-righteousness in Passage Guide of Philippians 3:10

Logos 3 - Far Better

Logos 4 - Frustrating

Logos Team - when is this expected to at least match up to Logos 3, please?

Also running a search for self-righteousness does not bring up topics any better in Logos 4.

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Rich DeRuiter

Logos Team - when is this expected to at least match up to Logos 3, please?

Topic searching is still in development. That's all I know, and it's been a work in progress for a long time. I'm thankful I rarely do topic searches because the results now are not very helpful.

Topics generated from the Passage Guide aren't really topics generated from the passage. These topics are actually generated from references to your passage from your library. It's sort of a "Cited By" listed topically. I don't like it very much, but that's what it is and what it does, and understanding that may help you understand what you're looking at.

But you can search your entire library, or a collection you might create for topic searches (Bible dictionaries/encyclopedias, theologies, etc.), which would bring greater focus to your search. Also, I find that it's helpful to search for not only 'self-righteous,' but also 'selfrighteous' (no hyphen).

steve clark

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/113693#Comment_113693

i have been using the New Nave’s Topical Bible , that might help for the time being.

Edit: noticed that you also have Nelson's Topical Bible, that one works pretty good for your topic.

Floyd Johnson

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/113697#Comment_113697

I just did a quick experiment -

I created a COLLECTION of all resources with the word "topic*" in the title. I can do a BASIC SEARCH on this collection for a key word.
I then created PASSAGE GUIDE with a single entry - the Topical collectdion. I can do a BIBLE SEARCH on the passage guide and get a list topics for which the passage is included,

Here is the first page of results for Philippians 3:10

Not quite as good as the topical search, but it is a start.

Roger Feenstra

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/113724#Comment_113724

I just did a quick experiment -

Nice. It is fairly close, however, to the topics that are automatically found when looking up Phil. 3.10 in the Passage Guide. Can't see your whole list, but did you come up with the self-righteousness topic? I think that is Ben's concern.

Rick

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/113738#Comment_113738

Great collection idea. Thanks! [Y]

Floyd Johnson

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/113738#Comment_113738

Nice. It is fairly close, however, to the topics that are automatically found when looking up Phil. 3.10 in the Passage Guide. Can't see your whole list, but did you come up with the self-righteousness topic? I think that is Ben's concern.

When I add the other books to the collection that were included in his results and were not in my original collection, it finds all the results listed. Note, I do not own ISBE and, thus, cannot add it to my collection.

steve clark

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/113724#Comment_113724

i already had tagged topical Bibles. Tagged groups show up in searches too.

J. Morris

Still waiting for decent usable topics myself. L4 still a step back (long way back) from L3 in this important and critical function.

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/113763#Comment_113763

Still waiting for decent usable topics myself. L4 still a step back (long way back) from L3 in this important and critical function.

If I recall correctly, Logos 3 did some version of a head word search; Logos 4 has a more accurate topic guide that is dependent upon the tagging of resources. I would expect therefore to see a gradual improvement in the topic guide rather than a sudden deliverable. I fear I haven't paid much attention to this as I never used the feature in Logos 3.

Floyd Johnson

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/113766#Comment_113766

Logos 4 has a more accurate topic guide that is dependent upon the tagging of resources.

This would worry me - seeing how fast Logos updates the metadata - look at the expanding list of metadata errors listed in the Wiki.

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/113769#Comment_113769

Logos 4 has a more accurate topic guide that is dependent upon the tagging of resources.

This would worry me - seeing how fast Logos updates the metadata - look at the expanding list of metadata errors listed in the Wiki.

Luckily I've spent my life as a disciple of "What me worry?" Newman aka Alfred E. Newman of Mad Magazine (admittedly I've only seen one copy in the last 40 years). However, in the metadata Logos has indicated that there are contractual issues which are far less likely in Logos tags.

Dave Hooton

Also running a search for self-righteousness does not bring up topics any better in Logos 4.

Unless you run a Basic Search against a Topical Collection comprising the books from your L3 search and bible dictionaries like Ungers, Eerdman's, Tyndale, Easton's, New Bible Dictionary (which have English Headwords in their Indexes). Then you can find where it is a topic (or headword) or part of the text. Other words may generate results in the Topic section of Basic Search.

Once you have a source with the topic as its headword you can "arrow" (keyboard) through the parallel resource sets (PRS) or use the PRS list to navigate.

Ben Vargh

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/113812#Comment_113812

All,

I am greatly indebted for all the insights and tips.

Floyd's collection idea is great. I added the collection to my main passage guide and it works. The only limitation is that the results are too many and obviously are not grouped by topics, for example, self-righteousness is scattered everywhere. Unless you are well-informed what the topics are, it might be hard to both identify and locate. In this case I located self-righteousness in ISBE and then went for the parallel resources option as suggested by Dave - and that gives my nearly all resources with that as topic - except 'Where To find in the Bible' and 'Zondervan Dictionary of Bible Themes'. I am glad that we can survive with this. But we all agree that this is tedious, time-consuming, and imprecise. I really look forward to the ease of use and precision we had in L3.

Again, thanks to all - especially on a long-holiday-weekend!

Ben

Dave Hooton

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/113960#Comment_113960

But we all agree that this is tedious, time-consuming, and imprecise. I really look forward to the ease of use and precision we had in L3.

L3 had ease of use but not precision. Too many "topics" results pointed to the one article with little relevance to the content of the article as indicated by its heading or headword. If Logos provided a headword search we would have ease with precision!

Floyd Johnson

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/113975#Comment_113975

headword search

Dave - what is a "headword search"?

Dave Hooton

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/113977#Comment_113977

headword search

Dave - what is a "headword search"?

A search for words in the heading of an article, which is a better indicator of a topic than a simple word search in the text of the resource. But the resource has to be indexed by headwords eg. bible dictionaries, topical textbooks/bibles.

Floyd Johnson

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/113724#Comment_113724

I just did a quick experiment -

I created a COLLECTION of all resources with the word "topic*" in the title. I can do a BASIC SEARCH on this collection for a key word.

I then created PASSAGE GUIDE with a single entry - the Topical collectdion. I can do a BIBLE SEARCH on the passage guide and get a list topics for which the passage is included,

I extended this a bit, by adding a collection of "Dictionary and Encyclopedia" resources I had previously created to the PASSAGE GUIDE. I suppose I could add these same items to the Topics collection, but I had already created it and could use it as is.

QUESTION - is there a way to merge one collection into a new collection or merge two collections together?

Lynden O. Williams

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/114068#Comment_114068

Floyd, Mark has a video on mergeing collections. May take a while to locate the thread.

Rosie Perera

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/114083#Comment_114083

QUESTION - is there a way to merge one collection into a new collection or merge two collections together?

Floyd, Mark has a video on mergeing collections. May take a while to locate the thread.

Here's the video: Nested Dynamic Collections (aka "Creating Collections in Logos 4 (Advanced)")

BTW, whenever you're looking for a user-generated video, you can find them on the wiki (http://wiki.logos.com). There's a link on the main wiki page (a few items down from the top of the page) to Logos 4 Video Tutorials.