BUG: Factbook entry mysteriously pulling verses from Syriac Peshitta

Kiyah
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edited November 2024 in English Forum

I opened the Factbook to 'Trust in God' (Cultural Ontology) and went to the Key Passages section, and imagine my surprise to see Syriac text in the Factbook.

I click on one of the verses and of course the Leiden Peshitta opens up. I do not have this resource prioritized in my library. I do, however, have the Old Testament Pseudepigrapha (OTP) by Charlesworth in my prioritization list, and the OTP vol. 1 does have these verses.

Does anyone have any idea why the Factbook is pulling in the Syriac text when my top prioritized resource with these verses is the OTP? Even the context menu shows that the OTP1 is the top prioritized resource for 2 Baruch 42:1.

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  • Kiyah said:

    I opened the Factbook to 'Trust in God' (Cultural Ontology) and went to the Key Passages section, and imagine my surprise to see Syriac text in the Factbook.

    Curious what a Search of Type:Bible resources for {Milestone <Bible4E2B 2 Baruch 42:1–2>} finds ?

    Resources Pseudepigrapha of the Old Testament and Old Testament Pseudepigrapha (2 vols.) are Type:Monograph while having Bible Milestones.

    Keep Smiling [:)]

  • Kiyah
    Kiyah Member Posts: 2,841 ✭✭✭✭

    " rel="nofollow">Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) said:

    Curious what a Search of Type:Bible resources for {Milestone <Bible4E2B 2 Baruch 42:1–2>} finds ?

    Resources Pseudepigrapha of the Old Testament and Old Testament Pseudepigrapha (2 vols.) are Type:Monograph while having Bible Milestones.

    Keep Smiling Smile

    You seem to have touched upon the issue. Only the Leiden Peshitta comes up for me. This seems like an unfortunate quirk in the software. I have two other indexed English resources with this text (Charlesworth and R.H. Charles) but it's preferring the Peshitta because of the resource type. I wonder what would break if Faithlife reclassified Charlesworth and Charles from Monograph to Bible. Or is there a way for the Factbook to recognize the OTP in the Key Verses section since they have Bible milestones?

  • MJ. Smith
    MJ. Smith MVP Posts: 53,851

    The type Bible or monograph affects only the prioritization (order). I don't know how priorities of datatype across resource types are handled. However, these are the five resources in my library that have the milestone.

    • 4 Ezra and 2 Baruch: Translations, Introductions, and Notes 1 result in 1 article
    • Commentary on the Pseudepigrapha of the Old Testament 1 result in 1 article
    • Leiden Peshitta 1 result in 1 article
    • The Old Testament Pseudepigrapha, Volume 1 1 result in 1 article
    • Pseudepigrapha of the Old Testament 1 result in 1 article

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  • Kiyah
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    MJ. Smith said:

    The type Bible or monograph affects only the prioritization (order). I don't know how priorities of datatype across resource types are handled. However, these are the five resources in my library that have the milestone.

    • 4 Ezra and 2 Baruch: Translations, Introductions, and Notes 1 result in 1 article
    • Commentary on the Pseudepigrapha of the Old Testament 1 result in 1 article
    • Leiden Peshitta 1 result in 1 article
    • The Old Testament Pseudepigrapha, Volume 1 1 result in 1 article
    • Pseudepigrapha of the Old Testament 1 result in 1 article

    I have all of those except the first one, which appears to be the one that would cause the Factbook to not to pull in Syriac.

  • 4 Ezra and 2 Baruch: Translations, Introductions, and Notes is Type:Bible, which is used in Factbook for Key Passage text. 

    Commentary on the Pseudepigrapha of the Old Testament is Type:Commentary

    Kiyah said:

    " rel="nofollow">Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) said:

    Curious what a Search of Type:Bible resources for {Milestone <Bible4E2B 2 Baruch 42:1–2>} finds ?

    Resources Pseudepigrapha of the Old Testament and Old Testament Pseudepigrapha (2 vols.) are Type:Monograph while having Bible Milestones.

    Keep Smiling Smile

    You seem to have touched upon the issue. Only the Leiden Peshitta comes up for me. This seems like an unfortunate quirk in the software. I have two other indexed English resources with this text (Charlesworth and R.H. Charles) but it's preferring the Peshitta because of the resource type. I wonder what would break if Faithlife reclassified Charlesworth and Charles from Monograph to Bible.

    +1 [Y] wonder if resources Pseudepigrapha of the Old Testament and Old Testament Pseudepigrapha (2 vols.) could be changed to Type:Bible (so text could appear in Factbook Key Passages)

    Keep Smiling [:)]

  • MJ. Smith
    MJ. Smith MVP Posts: 53,851

    " rel="nofollow">Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) said:

    +1 Yes wonder if resources Pseudepigrapha of the Old Testament and Old Testament Pseudepigrapha (2 vols.) could be changed to Type:Bible (so text could appear in Factbook Key Passages)

    Please don't ask Faithlife to make behavior unpredictable by misclassifying resources. If they would make it possible to make parts of a resource Bible and other parts not we could:

    • get rid of the silliness of producing single volume resources as multi-part resources without any data to put them in order to behave aa single resource
    • the limitation of Bibles and commentaries in the same volume (think AYB) where the Bible cannot be accessed as Bible text and the use of the same milestones for the Bible and the Commentary
    • make it possible in cases such as this to have what I have nicknamed "paleocanonical" (previously considered as canonical by someone) treated more frequently as scripture ... which is what you are wanting here.

      Hey, I also have a neocanonical category for progressives but I'm not ready to unveil plans for them ...[:D]

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  • Andrew Batishko
    Andrew Batishko Member, Administrator, Community Manager, Logos Employee Posts: 5,409

    As you have figured out, the Passages section in Factbook (as well as various Passage listing sections in various guides) only display content from resources of the Bible type. I've created a case to investigate this further

    Andrew Batishko | Logos software developer