Logos and the MacBook Air M1, compared to a maxed out 2019 MacBook Pro 16"
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Gregory Lawhorn said:
Just FYI: A couple of weeks ago I mentioned ordering a MacBook Pro 13" and trading in my MacBook Pro 16". The trade-in would have almost covered the cost of the 13", but in the end I decided to hang on to my 16", primarily because our Sunday streaming needs require more than 2 USB-C ports (power, mic, camera). I would have taken a $2,000 loss on the trade-in for a computer I've had six months, and just couldn't justify it. When the larger M1 MacBook Pro is released, I'll certainly be looking to eBay my current machine, but for now I'm keeping things as they are.
Brother, I had my 2014 i7 listed on Craigslist and it took about eight or 10 days for me to get a bite. Dude was ready to buy, but I backed out. At that juncture, the wife didn't even know I had bought the M1. I wasn't hiding it, I just literally hadn't thought of telling her; we lead two extremely busy lives that essentially intersect at 7 pm every day. LOL.
Anyway, she has a 2014 i5 Air and she wants my i7 Pro and my 16 year old is going to take her Air. My 18 year old is getting the student version of the M1 Air (128 GB). It all works out for the best.
My delivery date is the 9th through the 16th. Still no word.
Wilson Hines
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Here's some info on my MBP M1 for indexing.
16 GB/RAM; 1 TB SSD
9,025 Resources indexed.
Logos Timing
52:00 to download, but of course that depends almost wholly on my broadband, which is fair.
15:00 = 6%
30:00 = 15%
45:00 = 35%
60:00 = 58%
75:00 = 77%
90:00 = 91%
105:00 = 99% and been there for quite some time.
1hr:46min = Complete
Notes:
- Heat by the indexing seemed to ramp up between 91% and 97% and the fan seemed to be at the max at this point. 97%> was rather quiet.
- I haven't done anything scientific as far as having the app open and working with it on searches, opening workspaces, etc., and I may do that in a few days.
- I have done a couple simple searches such as "God" and "God so loves" and so forth. They were instant in response.
- Running the Passage Guide was just about instant. I don't even think it took a full second.
- I will note that scrolling on my Late 2013 MPB 15" i7 was always a little jerky and not very smooth. Scrolling on a page in Logos is now smooth as butter.
- I can discern that it is running on Rosetta 2. It just feels slower than native apps, but then again, I think if Logos came along tomorrow with a native Silicon app that it would not be as preppy as most; it's just such a huge system.
- Overall, I'm impressed with the M1 and I'm impressed with Logos on it.
Probably more to come later by me on this topic on Saturday...
Wilson Hines
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Wilson Hines said:
Running the Passage Guide was just about instant. I don't even think it took a full second.
What did you run it on?
I like to test by running a PSL on Gen-Rev.
“The trouble is that everyone talks about reforming others and no one thinks about reforming himself.” St. Peter of Alcántara
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SineNomine said:Wilson Hines said:
Running the Passage Guide was just about instant. I don't even think it took a full second.
What did you run it on?
I like to test by running a PSL on Gen-Rev.
just John 15:1
Wilson Hines
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Wilson Hines said:
Here's some info on my MBP M1 for indexing.
16 GB/RAM; 1 TB SSD
9,025 Resources indexed.
1hr:46min = Complete
That's very similar to my results using the same M1 configuration: Indexing of the 9,751 resources took 1 hour and 42 minutes.
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Mike Prewitt said:Wilson Hines said:
Here's some info on my MBP M1 for indexing.
16 GB/RAM; 1 TB SSD
9,025 Resources indexed.
1hr:46min = Complete
That's very similar to my results using the same M1 configuration: Indexing of the 9,751 resources took 1 hour and 42 minutes.
I’m sure the difference lie in my Safari usage, although only three tabs and I quit Safari after 90% to “give it all she’s got, captain!”
Wilson Hines
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I can tell you quickly what is still slow on my MacBook 13" M1: Evernote. It's still a huge, brutish pig. Logos isn't far behind. Anybody else?
Wilson Hines
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Wilson Hines said:
I can tell you quickly what is still slow on my MacBook 13" M1: Evernote. It's still a huge, brutish pig. Logos isn't far behind. Anybody else?
i don’t use a Evernote, so I can’t say. I’m using both my 16” Pro and 13” Air daily, and Logos is generally indistinguishable. Three air falls behind on indexing.
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Gregory Lawhorn said:Wilson Hines said:
I can tell you quickly what is still slow on my MacBook 13" M1: Evernote. It's still a huge, brutish pig. Logos isn't far behind. Anybody else?
i don’t use a Evernote, so I can’t say. I’m using both my 16” Pro and 13” Air daily, and Logos is generally indistinguishable. Three air falls behind on indexing.
I think it would be a lot more fair on my part to say I'm EXTREMELY happy with the M1 MBP. It is literal lightening with almost everything I do. The touch pad is taking an inordinate amount of time for me to adjust to, my 2014 MBP was just setup differently. I tried to copy the settings from the old MBP but it's still not the same. I'll eventually get it.
Overall, I've had only two real software issues and the developers resolved them quickly. Even my Text Expander from 2014 still works.
Wilson Hines
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I'm a big Evernote and Apple user, but not on an M1 yet.
Evernote got a big (and somewhat controversial) redesign/update recently. What version number are you on?
I'm sticking with Evernote-Legacy for now, because the new version has gotten rid of tabs and the ability to chose your own fonts.
"The whole modern world has divided itself into Conservatives and Progressives. The business of Progressives is to go on making mistakes. The business of Conservatives is to prevent mistakes from being corrected."- G.K. Chesterton
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Ben said:
I'm a big Evernote and Apple user, but not on an M1 yet.
Evernote got a big (and somewhat controversial) redesign/update recently. What version number are you on?
I'm sticking with Evernote-Legacy for now, because the new version has gotten rid of tabs and the ability to chose your own fonts.
I'm on Evernote 10.5.7, current build. I hated it immediately. I've been on Evernote for about 10 years, maybe a scratch more. I usually don't like their "redesigns" they do every couple of years, but I absolutely hate this one. I wish I was on the "legacy" build. Controversial is an understatement. I wanted to go to something else. I tried DevonThink but I literally could not wrap my head around it. It is probably amazing, but I literally don't have the time to learn it.
Wilson Hines
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Yeah, I haven't found a good replacement either. And I'm deeply embedded in the Evernote system. I use tags extensively, it has all my archival dissertation research etc.
You can roll back officially to the legacy version, https://help.evernote.com/hc/en-us/articles/360052560314-Install-an-older-version-of-Evernote"The whole modern world has divided itself into Conservatives and Progressives. The business of Progressives is to go on making mistakes. The business of Conservatives is to prevent mistakes from being corrected."- G.K. Chesterton
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Ordered my Mac Mini (16gb, 1 Tb) last night!! Won’t arrive for another 4 weeks. I also bought a 32” Dell curved monitor and Magic Keyboard. I’m going from a 2010 17” Macbook Pro to a Mac Mini. I tried running Logos this afternoon and it could complete a simple search in the passage guide.
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I got my MBA with 16gb RAM and 512gb SSD. It originally said the delivery window was between January 14-21. Then it shipped and it was updated to January 11, but it arrived January 6th. Gotta love Apple: they under-promise and over-deliver.
The laptop itself is great. Logos runs very well on it.
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Bill Anderson said:
Gotta love Apple: they under-promise and over-deliver.
The reason I don't use Apple. When the Mac came out (1984), they promised a true compiler rather than an interpreter. So I put off replacing my computer ... they didn't deliver for several years ... so I went PC.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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MJ. Smith said:Bill Anderson said:
Gotta love Apple: they under-promise and over-deliver.
The reason I don't use Apple. When the Mac came out (1984), they promised a true compiler rather than an interpreter. So I put off replacing my computer ... they didn't deliver for several years ... so I went PC.
That's a 27 year old excuse. Just saying. It's an amazingly different company now; in fact, I think it's safe to say there's not a company on the planet that existed then who isn't different now.
Wilson Hines
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Wilson Hines said:
That's a 27 year old excuse
More accurately, a 27 year old reason. There was a fork in the road and that is the reason I chose the branch I did. There are aspects of Apple that are better than their competitors; there are aspects that are not. I would never deny Steve Jobs' genius re: user interface.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Gregory Lawhorn said:Stephen Steele said:
Thanks for doing this - could we get a screenshot with the 'memory' tab visible?
Here you go. I currently have these apps running:
- Logos
- Proclaim
- Safari
- Launchbar
- Feedly
- Word
- OmniOutliner
- Mailplane
- Accordance (shh, don't tell anyone)
- Notability
- Activity Monitor
Here's the screenshot, sorted in order of memory use:
Hi Gregory, I very much appreciate all the time and effort you have taken to post comparisons and answer queries - very helpful indeed!
If you don't mind, I have a few questions. I have a MBP 13" M1 with 8GB RAM.
1) I understand from 2 of Apple's technical support guys that swap used is supposed to be 0, or minimal, but I see that yours is 1.46GB. I face similar issue too, and sometimes when I open more apps (Word, PPT, Onenote, Preview, Safari, Whatsapp, and perhaps a couple more, though none that are too heavy such as video editing etc.), the swap tends to get past 2GB. I am not well versed in tech matters, but I understand briefly that swap writes temporarily to SSD hence shortening its lifespan.
2) The Apple support guy also said it is highly abnormal for an app to consume more than 1GB of RAM. I said I have been monitoring intermittently, mostly Logos takes up about 1.3GB.
3) I generally do not face lag issues with Logos, unlike previous MBA 13" (2015 model) with 8GB RAM, though Logos sometimes crashes - averaging 3 times a week. Not sure if that's normal.
4) Safari tabs tend to crash, showing the message "This webpage was reloaded because it was using significant memory." Not sure if you faced similar issues?
As such, I am thinking if the matter is because of the inadequacy of the 8GB RAM, or other issues. Not sure if this matters, but I migrated from a Time Machine backup of my previous MBA with Intel chip.
Would appreciate any advice on these issues please, thank you so much in advance.
Cheers,
Ronnie
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Hi Ronnie, thanks for your kind words! I enjoyed the process. My plan is to pick up a full size MacBook Pro Mwhatever when it's released, and I'll probably do an update at that point.
Here are my thoughts:
Ronnie Sim said:1) I understand from 2 of Apple's technical support guys that swap used is supposed to be 0, or minimal, but I see that yours is 1.46GB. I face similar issue too, and sometimes when I open more apps (Word, PPT, Onenote, Preview, Safari, Whatsapp, and perhaps a couple more, though none that are too heavy such as video editing etc.), the swap tends to get past 2GB. I am not well versed in tech matters, but I understand briefly that swap writes temporarily to SSD hence shortening its lifespan.
Remember, Logos is running under Rosetta 2, and not as a native M1 application. Apple's recommendations for native apps probably don't mean much in the emulator. In addition, Logos is notoriously resource-heavy. It's not a sports car, it's a locomotive; it's powerful, but not quick.
Ronnie Sim said:2) The Apple support guy also said it is highly abnormal for an app to consume more than 1GB of RAM. I said I have been monitoring intermittently, mostly Logos takes up about 1.3GB.
High abnormal doesn't mean impossible. It doesn't seem that Logos should need all over those system resources; it's just handling text, right? But I think Logos is incredibly complex under the hood, and it's constantly thinking. That's why I've created custom guides with just the particular items I need at a specific point in my study process, and limit the number of resources I have open at any one time.
Ronnie Sim said:3) I generally do not face lag issues with Logos, unlike previous MBA 13" (2015 model) with 8GB RAM, though Logos sometimes crashes - averaging 3 times a week. Not sure if that's normal.
Logos has been pretty stable for me in recent weeks. I'm in the beta channel, because I like to live dangerously, and so sometimes there are crashes. I think Logos crashed for me last week, but it wasn't a repeatable issue.
Ronnie Sim said:4) Safari tabs tend to crash, showing the message "This webpage was reloaded because it was using significant memory." Not sure if you faced similar issues?
As such, I am thinking if the matter is because of the inadequacy of the 8GB RAM, or other issues.
I get the same message at times; I think it's more because of ads than the actual content. I've also got 8GB of RAM, and I wish I had upgraded to 16, but my Air gets limited (but constant) use. By that I mean that at least half of my sermon prep is on my Air, and virtually all of my email and web use, but Photoshop, Lightroom, streaming, audio/video editing (for sermon video), and so on are on my 16" MacBook Pro. During my typical sermon prep I have Logos and Scrivener open, and that's about it. I don't go into Word until I'm ready to put a PDF of my manuscript on SermonAudio.
Ronnie Sim said:Not sure if this matters, but I migrated from a Time Machine backup of my previous MBA with Intel chip.
I never migrate Time Machine backups when going to a new machine. I know that it's very convenient, but every time I've tried it I've had stability issues. I set up all of the software individually, and let iCloud bring my User folder (data) over. For what it's worth, I usually do a complete reinstall once a year to clear out the junk. I use iCloud, of course, and then Carbon Copy Cloner, and Time Machine as a last resort. I make sure that my backups are complete, erase the drive in Recovery mode, reinstall from the web, and then install my applications one by one. It takes a day, but I think it keeps my system running pretty smoothly.
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Thanks Gregory.
Just to clarify, when you "re-install", do you simply reboot in Recovery mode and re-install (without deleting any files or losing data), or do you erase the hard drive then reinstall OS?
I have not tried either. The first option sounds more convenient and faster, though the second sounds more comprehensive and cleaner?
Ronnie
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Ronnie Sim said:
Just to clarify, when you "re-install", do you simply reboot in Recovery mode and re-install (without deleting any files or losing data), or do you erase the hard drive then reinstall OS?
great question - I erase and do a first aid check, then reinstall from scratch
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I just received my Mac mini M1 with 16gb and 1 TB SDD. I also bought a 32" Dell computer. I went to this from a 2010 17" MacBook Pro (specs were horrible because I couldn't run Logos).
I don't like my monitor because the difference between the display resolution of the smallest to the next option up is too much of a difference. The smallest resolution is too small and the next size up is too big. I wish there was an in between. I can't fit anything more on my 32" monitor than I could with my 17" monitor.
I downloaded only some of resources to my Mac mini when I installed the desktop app for Logos. The home page is choppy. I can't scroll smoothly. The web based app is smooth but the desktop app is sluggish when I scroll. When I was scrolling through resources and picking ones I want to download it was very sluggish and caused me much frustration. Like, if I click on several books to download them when they are downloading and I continue to scroll sometimes it will kick me back up to the last one I downloaded. The Passage guide etc came up quickly but scrolling is sluggish, not smooth like butter.
I'm glad the Mac mini brings up my resources quickly when I do a search but other functions like scrolling and clicking through library tabs is frustrating. Like, when I click on "more" to show more topics and do that again and then click on a link it will take me to that. link but when I want to go back it collapses the tabs and then I have to go through the clicking "more" and "more" to get back to the next topic from where I left off. Plus it's sluggish when opening up "more" and "more" and sometimes will just collapse them.
It's frustrating to say the least. I wish I had never gotten into Mac and feel like I can't leave it. Logos was not meant to work on Mac0 -
Greetings John
Apple has a generous returns window (two weeks) for folk who are dissatisfied with their products.
Your description though has me wondering if you have allowed all the indexing etc to complete.
tootle pip
Mike
Now tagging post-apocalyptic fiction as current affairs. Latest Logos, MacOS, iOS and iPadOS
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John Morgan said:
I just received my Mac mini M1 with 16gb and 1 TB SDD. I also bought a 32" Dell computer. I went to this from a 2010 17" MacBook Pro (specs were horrible because I couldn't run Logos). I don't like my monitor because the difference between the display resolution of the smallest to the next option up is too much of a difference. The smallest resolution is too small and the next size up is too big. I wish there was an in between. I can't fit anything more on my 32" monitor than I could with my 17" monitor. I downloaded only some of resources to my Mac mini when I installed the desktop app for Logos. The home page is choppy. I can't scroll smoothly. The web based app is smooth but the desktop app is sluggish when I scroll. When I was scrolling through resources and picking ones I want to download it was very sluggish and caused me much frustration. Like, if I click on several books to download them when they are downloading and I continue to scroll sometimes it will kick me back up to the last one I downloaded. The Passage guide etc came up quickly but scrolling is sluggish, not smooth like butter. I'm glad the Mac mini brings up my resources quickly when I do a search but other functions like scrolling and clicking through library tabs is frustrating. Like, when I click on "more" to show more topics and do that again and then click on a link it will take me to that. link but when I want to go back it collapses the tabs and then I have to go through the clicking "more" and "more" to get back to the next topic from where I left off. Plus it's sluggish when opening up "more" and "more" and sometimes will just collapse them. It's frustrating to say the least. I wish I had never gotten into Mac and feel like I can't leave it. Logos was not meant to work on Mac
Strange. Your experience is nothing like mine on the Mac Mini M1 (same specs as you). It is quite fast for me, only slightly sluggish on the Home Page (Phil Gons, I think, explained why in another post - something that will eventually be addressed). Everything else is very smooth and indexing is VERY fast with the SSD. Have you updated to the latest version of Big Sur?
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JH said:John Morgan said:
I just received my Mac mini M1 with 16gb and 1 TB SDD. I also bought a 32" Dell computer. I went to this from a 2010 17" MacBook Pro (specs were horrible because I couldn't run Logos). I don't like my monitor because the difference between the display resolution of the smallest to the next option up is too much of a difference. The smallest resolution is too small and the next size up is too big. I wish there was an in between. I can't fit anything more on my 32" monitor than I could with my 17" monitor. I downloaded only some of resources to my Mac mini when I installed the desktop app for Logos. The home page is choppy. I can't scroll smoothly. The web based app is smooth but the desktop app is sluggish when I scroll. When I was scrolling through resources and picking ones I want to download it was very sluggish and caused me much frustration. Like, if I click on several books to download them when they are downloading and I continue to scroll sometimes it will kick me back up to the last one I downloaded. The Passage guide etc came up quickly but scrolling is sluggish, not smooth like butter. I'm glad the Mac mini brings up my resources quickly when I do a search but other functions like scrolling and clicking through library tabs is frustrating. Like, when I click on "more" to show more topics and do that again and then click on a link it will take me to that. link but when I want to go back it collapses the tabs and then I have to go through the clicking "more" and "more" to get back to the next topic from where I left off. Plus it's sluggish when opening up "more" and "more" and sometimes will just collapse them. It's frustrating to say the least. I wish I had never gotten into Mac and feel like I can't leave it. Logos was not meant to work on Mac
Strange. Your experience is nothing like mine on the Mac Mini M1 (same specs as you). It is quite fast for me, only slightly sluggish on the Home Page (Phil Gons, I think, explained why in another post - something that will eventually be addressed). Everything else is very smooth and indexing is VERY fast with the SSD. Have you updated to the latest version of Big Sur?
I have Big Sur 11.1. I just got my Mac mini two days ago.
I wrote my reply and then accidentally deleted it. it was long. I have to be brief.
The Home Screen seems to always be sluggish. Scrolling through the library of books was sluggish only when it was indexing. I compared scrolling through a book on the desktop app to the web app and it seems the same.
The problem with the library is logos problem not a Mac mini issue. When I click on Library > Series > and then "more" a couple times > then click on a series like Pillar which is far down this and then I go back to the list of series Logos collapses the list and I have to click "more" again and again to get back to Pillar and continue on. I would like to go back and find the list of series I had open still open so I don't have to click "more" many times.
What monitor do you use? I'm thinking of returning this one and getting one that works better with Mac display. (System Preference > Display > then I click on the tab just to the left of the one on the furthest to the right that has "more space" written just below it.) The text for that display option is too small for me but the next one up is too big. With the smallest display option I can have lots of windows open but the text is too small. So I have to go one up but I can't see more on my display than I could with my 17" MacBook Pro.
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Mike Binks said:
Greetings John
Apple has a generous returns window (two weeks) for folk who are dissatisfied with their products.
Your description though has me wondering if you have allowed all the indexing etc to complete.
Mike, see my post above for a reply to your question about if I allowed it to index completely. The short answer is no. I scrolled though the list of books as the ones I click on to download where downloading and indexing.
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Greeting John
I wonder, have you decided to keep your Mac and changed your mind about the assertion...
"I wish I had never gotten into Mac and feel like I can't leave it. Logos was not meant to work on Mac"?
I think you are wise to look again at the monitor that you are pairing the Mac with although I have friends who are more than satisfied with the Dell monitors that they have used.
The vast majority of folk I know, not all Logos users it has to be said, are delighted with their minis. I hope you become one of them when the teething problems are sorted.
tootle pip
Mike
Now tagging post-apocalyptic fiction as current affairs. Latest Logos, MacOS, iOS and iPadOS
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John Morgan said:
The problem with the library is logos problem not a Mac mini issue. When I click on Library > Series > and then "more" a couple times > then click on a series like Pillar which is far down this and then I go back to the list of series Logos collapses the list and I have to click "more" again and again to get back to Pillar and continue on. I would like to go back and find the list of series I had open still open so I don't have to click "more" many times.
This is a dumb question, John, but when you open the Library are you clicking on it one time, opening the smaller popup window, and then finding your resource, or dragging the Library down into a more permanent panel? If you open the Library with a single click, it goes away once you've made your choice. If you drag it into place (I often keep it as a panel in a custom layout), it SHOULD stay as you left it, searches included.
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I understand your frustration and I'm not trying to be belligerent here, but saying Logos isn't a good fit for Mac is an odd statement that I'm not sure I know how to absorb. As it has been stated herein, for the vast majority of users, Logos runs just fine on Intel and M1 Macs. It's very difficult to diagnose an issue like you're having remotely. I came from a Late 2013 i7 MacBook Pro and the difference has been remarkable. Remarkably good.
Wilson Hines
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Mike Binks said:
Greeting John
I wonder, have you decided to keep your Mac and changed your mind about the assertion...
"I wish I had never gotten into Mac and feel like I can't leave it. Logos was not meant to work on Mac"?
I think you are wise to look again at the monitor that you are pairing the Mac with although I have friends who are more than satisfied with the Dell monitors that they have used.
The vast majority of folk I know, not all Logos users it has to be said, are delighted with their minis. I hope you become one of them when the teething problems are sorted.
Hey, Mike. I'm going to keep my Mac mini. You or someone else helped me realize that the complications were due to Logos indexing. It's not as big of an issue as I made it out to be.
I don't like the monitor because I really don't have more space since the display resolution options are very slim, just four. The lowest resolution is too small and the next one up is too big. I really like the that the text is sharp. I was one of the top picks for reading text. I can fit three parallel windows in Logos, but I was hoping for just a little more real-estate. I'll make it work. I'm not a pastor and don't spend a lot of time using Logos so I'm okay with what I have. If I was a pastor and using Logos much more then I'd probably get a second monitor.
Thanks for your comments, Mike. I really appreciate them.
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Gregory Lawhorn said:John Morgan said:
The problem with the library is logos problem not a Mac mini issue. When I click on Library > Series > and then "more" a couple times > then click on a series like Pillar which is far down this and then I go back to the list of series Logos collapses the list and I have to click "more" again and again to get back to Pillar and continue on. I would like to go back and find the list of series I had open still open so I don't have to click "more" many times.
This is a dumb question, John, but when you open the Library are you clicking on it one time, opening the smaller popup window, and then finding your resource, or dragging the Library down into a more permanent panel? If you open the Library with a single click, it goes away once you've made your choice. If you drag it into place (I often keep it as a panel in a custom layout), it SHOULD stay as you left it, searches included.
Hey, Greg. I was just clicking the library icon next to the home icon. I tried what you suggested with dragging the library down into a panel. I got the same issue. I open the "series" filter. I click "more" 3x to get to, say, Pillar. I click on Pillar. Now I want to get back and start looking at the Series right where I left off. But when I click "x" next to "Series: Pillar NT commentary" and it sends me back to the filters the "Series" filter is open but it shows me only the first few selections, it's collapses the list of series and now I have to press "more" 3 more times to get back to Pillar.
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Wilson Hines said:
I understand your frustration and I'm not trying to be belligerent here, but saying Logos isn't a good fit for Mac is an odd statement that I'm not sure I know how to absorb. As it has been stated herein, for the vast majority of users, Logos runs just fine on Intel and M1 Macs. It's very difficult to diagnose an issue like you're having remotely. I came from a Late 2013 i7 MacBook Pro and the difference has been remarkable. Remarkably good.
Thanks Wilson. My comments were said in frustration and with limited understanding. The comments above gave me greater understanding of what was happening and now my opinion has changed. I hope I was able to to make that clear in my responses above. I'm satisfied with the M1 and glad I got it. Even with the sluggish Home Screen I'd still recommend it. It's very fast, but I came from a 2010 17" MacBook Pro and Logos got to the point where I literally couldn't run any of the guides.
Thanks for your concern. I really appreciate it. Blessings to you. Grateful for this community
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Brother! I'm glad you got it straight! I knew it had to be something simple!
Wilson Hines
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John Morgan said:
Hey, Greg. I was just clicking the library icon next to the home icon. I tried what you suggested with dragging the library down into a panel. I got the same issue. I open the "series" filter. I click "more" 3x to get to, say, Pillar. I click on Pillar. Now I want to get back and start looking at the Series right where I left off. But when I click "x" next to "Series: Pillar NT commentary" and it sends me back to the filters the "Series" filter is open but it shows me only the first few selections, it's collapses the list of series and now I have to press "more" 3 more times to get back to Pillar.
OK, I understand what you're saying. I agree, it would be nice if the submenu stayed fully open until/unless the user closes it. I think that's worth creating a feedback entry for (at https://feedback.faithlife.com); you've got my vote if you want to set it up.
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Gregory Lawhorn said:John Morgan said:
Hey, Greg. I was just clicking the library icon next to the home icon. I tried what you suggested with dragging the library down into a panel. I got the same issue. I open the "series" filter. I click "more" 3x to get to, say, Pillar. I click on Pillar. Now I want to get back and start looking at the Series right where I left off. But when I click "x" next to "Series: Pillar NT commentary" and it sends me back to the filters the "Series" filter is open but it shows me only the first few selections, it's collapses the list of series and now I have to press "more" 3 more times to get back to Pillar.
OK, I understand what you're saying. I agree, it would be nice if the submenu stayed fully open until/unless the user closes it. I think that's worth creating a feedback entry for (at https://feedback.faithlife.com); you've got my vote if you want to set it up.
greg, I just learned about the feedback page yesterday. I’m also very new to this community even though I’ve been using Logos for over 15 years. When I heard about the feedback page I decided to mention this issues. I was just too busy yesterday. I plan to do soon.
Thanks! This has all been very helpful to me
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John Morgan said:
I don't like the monitor because I really don't have more space since the display resolution options are very slim, just four.
Sorry if I am 'teaching my grandmother to suck eggs' John, but have you done this?
3. Changing the screen resolution on an external display
Navigate to 'System Preferences… > Displays. '
Open the 'Optimize for…' dropdown, and select your external display.
Hold down the 'Option' key and give the 'Scaled' button a click.
Select a new screen resolution from the list.There should be a few more than four on the list.
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Mike Binks said:John Morgan said:
I don't like the monitor because I really don't have more space since the display resolution options are very slim, just four.
Sorry if I am 'teaching my grandmother to suck eggs' John, but have you done this?
3. Changing the screen resolution on an external display
Navigate to 'System Preferences… > Displays. '
Open the 'Optimize for…' dropdown, and select your external display.
Hold down the 'Option' key and give the 'Scaled' button a click.
Select a new screen resolution from the list.There should be a few more than four on the list.
Thanks, Mike. I don’t have the ‘Optimize For..” to open. Once I hit “display” I get what you see in this picture. Sorry it is sideways. There is no “optimize for”. 0 -
John Morgan said:
Once I hit “display” I get what you see in this picture. Sorry it is sideways. There is no “optimize for”.
Sorry John
I just copied and pasted the instructions without due care and attention.
The key imperative is to hold down the option key before hitting 'Scaled'.
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Mike Binks said:John Morgan said:
Once I hit “display” I get what you see in this picture. Sorry it is sideways. There is no “optimize for”.
Sorry John
I just copied and pasted the instructions without due care and attention.
The key imperative is to hold down the option key before hitting 'Scaled'.
Thanks, Mike. I pressed the option key before clicking "scaled" and it did give me more options. Unfortunately, it only adds more options beyond the 2560 x 1440 which is the second to the left in the picture I posted. I don't have the 3008 x 1692 as seen in your picture or what appears to be 3200 x 1800. I don't know why. It must be a Dell thing. Thanks for the help. I didn't know pressing "option" would open up more options.
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Hello John I don't have the M1 yet, but i use an app called Display Menu that gives me many other display settings.
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John this what it added for me, It may be helpful for you.
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Lee, Thanks! I downloaded the app it gave me more display options.
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I’ve just purchased a MacBook Air on the basis of your recommendation thankyou for putting in the time and effort and dare I say experimentation in to making this video
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I'm glad that I was able to help!
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I'm considering getting one of these.
Did M1 ever become fully supported? If there is a private beta, I'd be interested in that too. I'll basically be using it for logos.L2 lvl4 (...) WORDsearch, all the way through L10,
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Logos doesn't have a Universal version yet, but runs fine under Rosetta 2. I got my new MacBook Pro M1 Max 16" today, and Logos is running. In the next week or two I'll repeat the tests I did on the M1 MacBook Air last year, but everything feels quicker on this machine.
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I can't wait for the results.
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Just stop considering it and just do it. The M1 is an amazing MacBook Pro or Air and it's really all that's needed to run Logos efficiently, even in Rosetta.
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I got my new MacBook Pro M1 Pro 14" base model. Logos is running great do the first index now.
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Well, I traded for one from a friend thats coming down to visit. should have it in the next two weeks.
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