How do I find the meanings of a person's name or the name of a city/town?
Can someone tell me how to get this info. I have Logos Portfolio. The help desk is telling me I have the best lexicons and dictionaries at my disposal.
But I'm doing a Priscilla Shirer Bible study on Elijah. My Bible study book says that the city that God sent Elijah to after the Cherith Brook was Zarephath, where a widow would take care of him. This Bible Study book says that the name "Zarephath" means "smoldering furnace" or "refining." That's awesome! You can see what is going to happen to him when he goes there based on the meaning of the city's name. Where did Priscilla get this information?
I don't see that meaning anywhere in Logos. I've opened the Factbook on Zarephath. It's not there.
I've done a Bible Word Study on Zarephath. It's not there.
Nowhere can I find the meaning of the name Zarephath in Logos Portfolio.
Am I missing a resource (something like "the meaning of names and places"), or does Logos just not have this capability?
Please help.
Andrea
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Andrea Fleck said:
Where did Priscilla get this information?
I don't see that meaning anywhere in Logos.
Welcome to the forums!
With the search: “Zarephath" WITHIN 100 WORDS "furnace" WITHIN 100 WORDS "refining"
I get this resource:
"Zarephath means a smelting-house, a place of fiery trials. It was meet that the prophet of fire should pass through the refining furnace. All who would live godly must suffer persecution. Elijah’s journey of one hundred miles through a famine-stricken country would afford him ample opportunities for faith. Away from the shady brook, this must have been to him as a baptism of fire. Did not the New Testament Elijah say of Christ that He will baptise you with the Holy Ghost and with fire?" (Smith, J., & Lee, R. (1971). Handfuls on Purpose for Christian Workers and Bible Students, Series I–XIII (five-volume edition, Vol. 5, p. 127). Grand Rapids, MI: William B. Eerdmans Publishing Company).
I hope this helps!
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Addition:
This search: “Zarephath" WITHIN 100 WORDS "smelt"
returns this:
Σάρεπτα [Tr mrg. Σάρεφθα; Tdf. in O. T. Σαρεπτά], (צָרְפַת fr. צָרַף to smelt; hence perh. ‘smelting-house’), -ων [yet cf. B. 15 (14); but declined in Obad.], τά; Sarepta [so A. V.; better with O. T. Zarephath] a Phœnician town between Tyre and Sidon, but nearer Sidon, [now Surafend; cf. B. D. s. v. Zarephath], (1 K. 17:9; Obad. 20; in Joseph. antt. 8, 13, 2 Σαρεφθά): τῆς Σιδωνίας, in the land of Sidon, Lk. 4:26. Cf. Robinson, Palestine ii. 474 sqq.; [B. D. u.s.].* (Thayer, J. H. (1889). A Greek-English lexicon of the New Testament: being Grimm’s Wilke's Clavis Novi Testamenti (p. 569). New York: Harper & Brothers).
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I copied your search, and put it into a basic search searching all text in all resources. Nothing came up for me. Did I do the wrong search?
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Hi Andrea
Just to add to the great answer you have already been given, you can search for either one thing or another
zarephath NEAR ("smoldering furnace", refining) will find all occurences of Zarephath that are Near (within 48 characters) to either of the two terms in brackets
and it is in dictionaries referenced in the Factbook but you need to know which articles to look at!
Hope this helps, Graham
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Where are you getting this search? How are you coming up with searching for it along with the word "smelt"? Where are you getting the word smelt from? I mean in order to get the info I'm looking for, I already have to know what the word means (i.e. searching for smelt, refining, smoldering near the word Zarephath). What if I don't know the meaning at all? Then what do I do?
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Thank you, but none of my dictionaries listed in the factbook tell me what the name Zarephath means. What dictionary do you have that has that info? (I would like to purchase that resource.)
Also, how do you come up with the paramaters to search? (How do you know to search for "smoldering furnace" within 48 characters of thre word "Zarephath."? That requires that you already know that Zarephath means "smoldering furnce". What if I didn't know that. What if I knew nothing at all about the name or place, and wanted to know what it meant in the Hebrew or Greek?
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Andrea Fleck said:
How are you coming up with searching for it along with the word "smelt"? Where are you getting the word smelt from?
My first search without the word "smelt" or "smelting" came up with a resource that said: ""Zarephath means a smelting-house, a place of fiery trials..."
Hence, from that search I got the word "smelting-house", which I then used in my second search: "smelt."
Thus you create a string of searches, one after another. And you don't have to know all the words at the beginning of your search, but rather broaden your search - as new terms come along with new search results.
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Olli-Pekka Ylisuutari said:
I get this resource:
"Zarephath means a smelting-house, a place of fiery trials. It was meet that the prophet of fire should pass through the refining furnace. All who would live godly must suffer persecution. Elijah’s journey of one hundred miles through a famine-stricken country would afford him ample opportunities for faith. Away from the shady brook, this must have been to him as a baptism of fire. Did not the New Testament Elijah say of Christ that He will baptise you with the Holy Ghost and with fire?" (Smith, J., & Lee, R. (1971). Handfuls on Purpose for Christian Workers and Bible Students, Series I–XIII (five-volume edition, Vol. 5, p. 127). Grand Rapids, MI: William B. Eerdmans Publishing Company).
But also, from dictionaries I have that are listed in the Factbook entry:
"The main business was the production of textiles and ceramics. Exports included grain, oil, wine, and a red-purple dye extracted from local shellfish from which both Zarephath and Phoenicia (“red-purple”) derive their names." https://ref.ly/logosres/anch?hw=Zarephath&off=1935&ctx=sidential+quarters.+~The+main+business+wa
"ZAREPHATH zarʹə-fath [Heb. ṣārepaṯ; Gk. sarepta; Akk. ṣariptu < vb. ṣarāpu—‘to dye’" https://ref.ly/logosres/isbe?hw=Zarephath
"ZAR´EPHATH (smelting place), the residence of the prophet Elijah during the latter part of the drought." https://ref.ly/logosres/smiths?hw=Zar%C2%B4ephath
"ZAREPHATH—smelting-shop, “a workshop for the refining and smelting of metals”, a small Phoenician town, now Surafend, about a mile from the coast, almost midway on the road between Tyre and Sidon." https://ref.ly/logosres/eastons?hw=Zarephath
"Zarephath (zar’-e-fath) = Place of refining; she has refined. Refined; smelting house. Workshop for melting and refining metals." https://ref.ly/logosres/exdctbibnm?hw=Zarephath
"Sarepta (sa-rep’-tah) = Smelting. Greek form of Zarephath = Workshop for melting and refining metals; refined; smelting house. She has refined." https://ref.ly/logosres/exdctbibnm?hw=Sarepta
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Andrea Fleck said:
What dictionary do you have that has that info? (I would like to purchase that resource.)
By clicking the hyperlinks in my previous posts You should get to the resources in question (and purchase them).
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Olli-Pekka Ylisuutari said:Andrea Fleck said:
What dictionary do you have that has that info? (I would like to purchase that resource.)
By clicking the hyperlinks in my previous posts You should get to the resources in question (and purchase them).
Of the ones in my post, if I could keep only one of them, I would keep the first, the Anchor Yale Bible Dictionary. But I see that it is in Logos 9 Portfolio, so you should have it already. The second one I gave was in Logos 8 Portfolio, but is not in Logos 9 Portfolio. The scholarship of these two is generally more recent and of better quality than that informing the other resources I quoted from and linked to.
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SineNomine said:
Of the ones in my post, if I could keep only one of them, I would keep the first, the Anchor Yale Bible Dictionary. But I see that it is in Logos 9 Portfolio, so you should have it already. The second one I gave was in Logos 8 Portfolio, but is not in Logos 9 Portfolio. The scholarship of these two is generally more recent and of better quality than that informing the other resources I quoted from and linked to.
Couldn't put it better! AYBD is great! [Y]
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Andrea Fleck said:
Also, how do you come up with the paramaters to search? (How do you know to search for "smoldering furnace" within 48 characters of thre word "Zarephath."? That requires that you already know that Zarephath means "smoldering furnce".
Sorry - I see what you mean, I missed your point earlier.
In addition to the Factbook suggestions others have made, the Bible Word Study Guide can help with links to lexicons as below:
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Or you might like the Exhaustive Dictionary of Biblical Names - https://www.logos.com/product/2674/the-exhaustive-dictionary-of-bible-names
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ok, yes. You wrote:
My first search without the word "smelt" or "smelting" came up with a resource that said: ""Zarephath means a smelting-house, a place of fiery trials..."
That is what I'm talking about. Can you explain the details of this search? (was it all text in all resources under basic search, or was it a Bible search?). Can you write it out for me please?
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Andrea Fleck said:
Can you explain the details of this search? (was it all text in all resources under basic search, or was it a Bible search?). Can you write it out for me please?
Good morning from Europe! In your first post you wrote:
Andrea Fleck said:My Bible study book says that... the name "Zarephath" means "smoldering furnace" or "refining."
From there I got the search terms "Zarephath", "furnace" and "refining" and your Bible Study Book's claim that somehow the two latter explain the name Zarephath. This claim I now want to verify/falsify. I then put the three search terms/words in a search:
“Zarephath" WITHIN 100 WORDS "furnace" WITHIN 100 WORDS "refining"
Here's a screenshot:
So yes, it's a search on all resources and on basic search.
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Thank you. I got the search to produce results.
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For a very brief meaning you can try https://www.logos.com/product/7299/thats-easy-for-you-to-say-your-quick-guide-to-pronouncing-bible-names-3rd-ed, which has a section on meanings of names, but all it gives for Zarephath is ' "smelting, refining" or "to dye" '
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