hoarder
I know I have way more titles than I can ever read, but why do I keep adding?
Each of us needs to prayerfully ask when enough is enough and we should avoid any judgmental accusations of others. I would guess that the majority of Logos uses have more titles than they could possibly read so, if reading was the only goal perhaps we don't need to add any more.
I think the primary reason why many of us have large libraries is to improve our ability to search.
That's what I tell myself, but I've always had a weak spot for books. If I'm honest with myself, I buy more than I really need.
join prison ministry & see the broken hearts or ... go to the waiting room of the pediatric ICU where all the parents are crying tears of blood for their kids’ terminal condition, or.... look for homeless ministry around & stay with the homeless closely for 15min and see if you can stand the smell & not have a change of heart, or .... go to YouTube and watch videos of missionaries that are from 10/40 or 20/40 window & see how much they sacrificed to live and have much they own.... then come back. 😇
or you could just simply consider whether you ever "really" gonna read those books, or you’re buying them just because they’re cheap. And....and .... consider how many other books you have that you haven’t read.
yes, that was a guilt trip & I’m fun at parties.
my parents always gave me advice when I was a child.... "don’t always look up when you walk, look down also"..... meaning don’t always think about gaining better things in life, consider those who are at the bottom who are poorer that you, so that you don’t stumble when you walk. It’s an Asian proverb.
see... I’m fun at parties 🤓
hoarder noun hoard·er | \ ˈhȯrd-ər \ Medical Definition of hoarder : a person affected with hoarding disorder Most hoarders … know that their behavior is socially unacceptable and as a result actively conceal it from others. I just bought 8 more titles from the March Madness and Sale items that looked like interesting reading, for $65 and change. I have avoided the seducing payment plan for a few years now, and did so again as I reviewed the deals. I know I have way more titles than I can ever read, but why do I keep adding? What is this called? Logositis? Logosorocis? Help!!!
noun hoard·er | \ ˈhȯrd-ər \
: a person affected with hoarding disorder Most hoarders … know that their behavior is socially unacceptable and as a result actively conceal it from others. I just bought 8 more titles from the March Madness and Sale items that looked like interesting reading, for $65 and change. I have avoided the seducing payment plan for a few years now, and did so again as I reviewed the deals. I know I have way more titles than I can ever read, but why do I keep adding? What is this called? Logositis? Logosorocis? Help!!!
I think of myself as a sub category of hoarder or as a finisher of collections or packages. I want them all complete. I won’t necessarily use them but not seeing the purchase now button that light gray color bothers me when I know I have most of the collection. I am dealing with this and I did not buy any that I could have easily finished for under $30 this year with March Madness. One big problem for me is the monthly deals with 5 books for under $20. I have purposely not bought some of these because they are of a larger collection and I knew I would need to finish the collection in the future. Same thing regarding the bronze to platinum packages. Marketing contributes to my problem and I have got vacuumed into it. I do not want to know the amount I have spent over the last 20 years with Logos. Luckily, years ago I gave up on Parsons Bible program that turned into Quick Verse. I even reperched in Logos to have all the books in just the one program. So I have confessed this obsession, hoarding disorder, sin. I am with you, praying for a fellow brother.
Hi, I’m David and I’m a Logos-holic!
I console myself with the thought that, unlike the volumes on my bookshelf, my Logos acquisitions used virtually no resources and can be disposed of without requiring recycling or landfill.
Resource-less resources!
haha. I would have replied earlier but I was looking a some possible new book purchases. True story.
Do I need any more books? He!! no. I am trying to stop but it's tough. As someone earlier said, we do have more than we'll ever read.
It's that rush. Searching for new titles for hours. The excitement of whittling down your possible purchases and then adding them to your cart and selecting Next and then Place order.
I remember when we used Libronix and actually had to call in to place our orders. I still have all those CD's that were mailed to me! And the worst thing was that customer service wasn't open on the weekends! I remember the anxiety of those days. As a matter of fact, that really wasn't that bad after all. Come Monday my desire to get those books had gone.
Simply put, I'm an impulse buyer. So what I'm trying to do now is to go to the Lord and seek His advice. Call it a coincidence, but I don't think so. More than a few sermons I've been listening to on XM Radio while I do my deliveries have been about seeking Christ first in all decisions. And that's a hard thing to do when my first impulse is to follow my wants and not my needs.
Common sense works well too. What bills do I need to pay. Mortgage payment and utilities are coming up. Do I have enough for gas and paying down some debts. AND DO I REALLY NEED THAT BOOK? So if I'm honest with myself and I really mean honest - I don't need any other books. I have way too many and like mentioned before I'll probably not read at least 50-75% of them. Which like most of you, still leaves a ton of them.
So brothers work hard to please the Lord in all things, book purchases included.
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Of course I am. [8-|] No apologies, no regrets.
We Logos-holics are keeping the authors and programmers alive.[;)]
Perhaps another view of Logos collecting might be "marketing hustle".
Gerald = OP......Where are you?? Please do not desert your thread!!
One positive of my being addicted to books is I have a large storage device with Verbum/Logos. I have run out of room in my house for my bound (dead tree) books. I don't think my bride wants to see anymore books [:)] . She rolls her eyes when I tell her that they are for her too....
God bless,
KSC
One view that is the opposite of being a hoarder is being a steward. One definition of being a steward is : A biblical world view of stewardship can be consciously defined as: "Utilizing and managing all resources God provides for the glory of God and the betterment of His creation." The central essence of biblical world view stewardship is managing everything God brings into the believer's life in a manner that honors God.
We could all be better stewards of every aspect of our lives.
I have to keep reminding myself that I need to live on a budget and underspend after I've overspent. I'm daily going through my on-order pre-pub list and deleting resources I don't need or can't afford. Logos is very addictive.
Wow! I posted this "Tongue-in-Cheek, but it appears to have struck an interest.
Michael Wert, I am just like you on completing packages, in fact I think 3 of my purchases did just that. But I do think the ones I purchased are really good ones:).
Mike Binks I like your justification that your saving trees!
Dale Heath your reminder that we are stewards hits home.
Rene Atchley I agree that FaithLife does an excellent job of marketing.
Thanks scooter for the reminder.
And don't let those good buys get away, but only if you are going to read them!
God Bless!
You know, I do not drink, I do not smoke anything, I do not gamble, I do not golf [an expensive men's hobby where I live]. I toddle on over to Logos Street; I buy some books. + surfer the slings + arrows of a [now] poor CAD/USD exchange rate. But, I persevere; its good clean fun.
I keep buying more Logos books even though I already have over 27,000 resources in my library. I will likely never read any of the books I've bought in the past few years. In fact I have only read cover-to-cover 65 of them, and poked around in probably a few hundred others.
I used to tell myself that the reason I was acquiring all these books was to enhance my search capability. But the reality is, the more books in my library, the more search hits I get and the more I'd have to wade through them (or spend more time tagging and prioritizing my library) for the results to be very useful. I usually only look at the first half dozen or so results anyway, and those are coming from Logos's ranking, not my prioritizing.
So buying more books will not get me more good results at this point. The types of books I buy are the ones that are meant for reading since I already have accumulated every single reference resource I could ever want. I've stopped buying more new commentaries and more of the serious academic OT/NT monographs. I have complete sets of most of the ones they carry.
No, the actual reason I keep buying Logos books is because I am a hoarder. And because I can afford it.
I still tell myself that "I was acquiring all these books (...) to enhance my search capability". And Yes, I see that "the more search hits I get (...) the more I'd have to wade through them ". But when the search is an important subject to me I have waded though every single one. Not all the time but I often do.
And the commentary sets that I still want have not been finished yet.
Yes, but you also are supporting a software company for the rest of us... perhaps it is people like you that keep Faithlife from becoming the next Bibleworks or WORDsearch and so indirectly you are supporting all of our studies and ministries. 😊
I am a hoarder, but only in the virtual reality of my e-book library. [:)]
I too must confess that I am a hoarder of Logos Software. My wife gently teases me frequently that I need Teen Challenge for my addiction (I am the executive director of one). One of my best friends accuses me of being a walking commercial for Logos & feels that Faithlife should put me on their payroll. I am an addict of this software and probably have no shame...
Now that I have recently ticked off some major things that I have wanted for several years (thanks to the a very generous donation that my descendants will have to pay off), including many resources recommended by Dr. Michael Heiser, I finally feel a sense of relief. I only have about 6,000 resources, but I had not realized that some of the anxiety I felt was because I had not acquired some specific scholarly resources I wanted to study Biblical Theology. Hopefully this relief will stick and I won't spend any more money.
I too fear I am a hoarder. But (tongue in cheek) I am reminded of the Lord's comment in the parable of the rich fool....."who will own what you have prepared?" Luke 12:20
This is good to reflect on and pray about. Lifting prayers for all for wisdom & discernment (myself included). I do very much like the call to greater compassion in service, but not out of guilt-- out of love for our Savior and what He has done. May we do to the least of these in love and also expand His Kingdom. [Y][G]
I am trying to emulate a seminary library on my computer now that I no longer have easy access to one. Logos enables me to do that at a fair price (sales) with greater efficiency and usefulness.
At 32,761 unhidden Logos resources, I consider myself a “collector”, not a hoarder. I have well over 80,000 electronic books in total, across a number of different platforms / formats. (I use Copernic to provide in-depth searches across a significant number of those resources that are not platform dependent like those in Logos or Accordance.) For many hoarders, but certainly not all, there is little monetary value in what they have accumulated. For me, there is a significant monetary value in my Logos ‘curated’ collection. And like so many others have said, my library goes with me wherever I go and is easily accessible on multiple devices.
Now, if Faithlife would offer me their entire exiting library of resources at a really sweet price, I might be convinced to switch from being a simple collector to a becoming a very happy hoarder!!
"entire exiting library of resources” I would love to see that "dynamic price" button somewhere. Having to call, knowing you were going to disappoint the sales rep, holds me back, but having a button would be fun and eye opening. It would prove to me that I am not a hoarder, but it would give me pause and think of another goal. Probably not a good button to have.
"the things you have prepared, dwhose will they be?" but this is a serious question!
"Whose will the be" I am getting older. When I die what happens to my library? If not used for X amount of time does it disappear? Does Logos try to sell it at a discount to some people. Can I donate it to someone? How should we distribute this in a “will and testament”?
Being serious about this. Now trying to be a good steward. Plus it would help me justify the hoarding question. [:)]
No, the actual reason I keep buying Logos books is .. Yes, but you also are supporting a software company for the rest of us... perhaps it is people like you that keep Faithlife from becoming the next Bibleworks or WORDsearch and so indirectly you are supporting all of our studies and ministries. 😊
No, the actual reason I keep buying Logos books is ..
Indirectly supporting is a good reason, and buying books is fun. I am not a theologian but I am interested to see how new features in Logos work, while also learning Greek, Hebrew, exegesis etc. And sometimes others ask me "what does that originally mean" or so - maybe they think I've learnt something. And many books are actually interesting: I am currently reading Ferguson's book about Background of Early Christianity, and skimming through the Catholic encyclopedia.
https://bigthink.com/personal-growth/do-i-own-too-many-books
At the end of the day we’re ALL hoarders when it comes to Logos. We buy a base package for a particular set of commentaries and the rest we hoard even if we never use the resources. Expansions come out, bundles come out, new base packages come out and we buy most of the time for that one particular cheap product and the rest we hoard. But hey, at least is there for research when we find a weird hidden gem in that huge digital hoarding place called our Logos library 👍😁👌
DAL
At the end of the day we’re ALL hoarders when it comes to Logos.
Maybe. I notice, buying for Kindle, I read what I buy ... quickly identify any waste-purchases. Logos purchasing seems different. I never bought into the search idea. I generally know which books have what. Tagged. I think it's more along the lines of a puzzle, filling in the blanks. Thinking I'll get to that part of the puzzle later.
After L9 was such a zero (for me), and I didn't see any more puzzle-pieces, I pulled my CC. That actually works wonders. Convenience is expensive, when rationalizing is nearby. Plus the CC statement is nice.
CC
Can I infer ''CC'' is 'credit card'?
I think that whether one is hoarding ebooks or making purchases of them that one should not do so is not so easily determined as simply by looking at Library counts.
Hi Wayne:
I have about that amount in pdfs, I usually cannot find info if I do not make a note of it a la clipping. Do you know if there is a good Copernic alternative for Mac that can do proximity search like L9 can?
Just like you I do not consider Logos power users as hoarders, as getting more resources do not take away from others, on the contrary it allows FL to keep adding resources to the available titles.
I do not think that is bad stewardship to have so many books that you cannot read in a lifetime, because by the use of proximity search, you can find very relevant information, getting one to the heart of the matter quick, way better than having to read tons and file notes per topic, etc.
from being a simple collector to a becoming a very happy hoarder!!
Did you mean a very happy ultimate (r)? LOL.
Thanks ahead of time for any input on proximity searching in pdf files.
Peace and grace.
