Logos 9 and MAC M1 Chip
Hey everyone, I just purchased a new MacBook Air with the M1 chip and was needing to make sure that there are no problems with the Logos 9 application with that chip. I only ask because I found where you cannot download office 365 off of Microsoft’s website, but through the App Store because of compatibility issues with the M1 Chip . So needing to make sure. Thanks!
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I have the Apple MacBook Pro M1 and it works just fine. There have been several other posts that list details on performance but I can confirm there aren't any compatibility issues.
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Ryan said:
I have the Apple MacBook Pro M1 and it works just fine. There have been several other posts that list details on performance but I can confirm there aren't any compatibility issues.
Does it list poor performance?
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Ryan said:
I have the Apple MacBook Pro M1 and it works just fine. There have been several other posts that list details on performance but I can confirm there aren't any compatibility issues.
Does it list poor performance?
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Works fine under Rosetta. Really looking to get all my software M1 compatible.
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Pastor Michael Huffman said:
I found where you cannot download office 365 off of Microsoft’s website
I have Office installed on my M1.
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Pastor Michael Huffman said:
Does it list poor performance?
Does what list poor performance?
The M1 is fairly impressive. Logos runs under Rosetta 2, so it isn't as fast as it would be if it were native. If you don't have a very new, beefed up intel Mac, you should be happy with performance and find it equal or better than what you have now.
Speaking generally, not necessarily for Logos purposes, I find performance to be very good most of the time, and battery life to be excellent. There are occasions where there are hiccups. Hopefully those are just growing pains.
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JT (alabama24) said:
Does what list poor performance?
The M1 is fairly impressive. Logos runs under Rosetta 2, so it isn't as fast as it would be if it were native. If you don't have a very new, beefed up intel Mac, you should be happy with performance and find it equal or better than what you have now.
Speaking generally, not necessarily for Logos purposes, I find performance to be very good most of the time, and battery life to be excellent. There are occasions where there are hiccups. Hopefully those are just growing pains.
so, how would I install Logos 9 on my M1?
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I don't recall doing anything really different when I installed Logos on my M1 machine. There's not a different, more compatible download from Logos for the M1. I would just download the Mac version of the software and let it do its thing with the installation process.
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Pastor Michael Huffman said:
so, how would I install Logos 9 on my M1?
From the end users experience, it is pretty much the same as normal. Rosetta does most of the work in the background.
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JT (alabama24) said:
it is pretty much the same as normal.
I did forget to add... When you download and install your FIRST non-native app, Rosetta will have to download and run. It is intuitive and not a big deal. After you have done so, all the installations just happen like normal.
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Pastor Michael Huffman said:
I just purchased a new MacBook Air with the M1 chip and was needing to make sure that there are no problems with the Logos 9 application with that chip.
Happy Lord's Day, Michael!
Last November I did a lengthy comparison of a max-out MacBook Pro 16" (2020 model), and a MacBook Air with the M1 chip. You can find it here: https://community.logos.com/forums/t/196476.aspx?PageIndex=1.
What you will mainly find is that indexing takes long. My understanding is that the 0-97% of indexing is preparatory, and the actually creation of the index happens in the last 3% (or so). My library is about 47GB, and my index is about 11GB, so it takes a fair amount of time. Let your MacBook Air go ALL the way through the indexing process (let it run overnight, maybe), and you shouldn't notice any differences in speed. In fact, in some things my Air is faster than my Pro.
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In case you care. I did a video on installation and how well it works.
Also did a video on performance
Hope that helps.
As for performance, it behaves about the same as it does on other Macs. Which means it should speed up if they ever do a version that doesn't require Rosetta 2, which I bet we'll see sometime in the next year. No inside info, just guessing.
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Thanks Kevin!
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Thanks everyone for your input!
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Please enlighten me in lay terms, what "Rosetta" means. Is it the same thing as M1 Chip? I'm planning to purchase a Mac Air in a couple of months. I don't want any issues with Logos 9.
Thanks.
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One thing to keep in mind is the M1 Mac appears to put added wear on the SSD, shortening the lifespan. Experts are divided as to how serious a problem it is.
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Joseph Luna said:
Please enlighten me in lay terms, what "Rosetta" means.
Rosetta 2 is a program on/for Macs with an M1 chip. It lets them run lots of programs, like Logos, that weren't designed to be used on Macs with an M1 chip.
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Joseph Luna said:
Please enlighten me in lay terms, what "Rosetta" means. Is it the same thing as M1 Chip? I'm planning to purchase a Mac Air in a couple of months. I don't want any issues with Logos 9.
"Rosetta 2" allows existing Mac applications for Intel CPU's (e.g. Logos 9 & Verbum 9) to run on Apple's M1 Chip without modification and CPU performance similar to the fastest Intel chips in existing Mac models.
Older thread => M1 Mac Chip Compatibility discussion includes Logos & Verbum software development future plans for native execution on Apple Silicon, which should noticeably improve responsiveness.
Wikipedia "Rosetta (software)" => https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosetta_(software) includes first Rosetta by Apple for previous CPU chip family change from PowerPC to Intel.
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Joseph Luna said:
Please enlighten me in lay terms, what "Rosetta" means.
The answer has already been provided, but for a less technical answer...
The "Rosetta Stone" was an archeological discovery which helped scholars decipher / translate ancient Egyptian texts. Without it, the texts would not have been able to be understood.
When Apple migrated to Intel Chips from IBM/Power PC chips, there was a big problem: There was no software for the new system. Software for the old chipset (PowerPC) would not be able to run on the new (Intel). It needed to be translated. Apple created a program to work behind the scenes which they called "Rosetta," as in Rosetta Stone. Its job was to translate the software so that the new computers could understand them. Over time, users started upgrading to the new computers, the old computers died out, and all "Mac" software was designed for Intel Macs rather than PowerPC ones.
Fast forward to today: Apple is once again making a major change, going away from Intel, and moving to "Apple Silicon." None of the software available for Intel Macs (including Logos) would be able to run on the new "Apple Silicon" computers. This is a BIG problem, obviously. Over time, developers will create apps which run natively on Apple Silicon. In the meantime, users will need to run apps such as Logos. To solve this problem, apple created "Rosetta 2." This is designed to allow Intel Mac Apps (such as Logos) to run on Apple Silicon Macs. It is very simple... and once you run Rosetta once, you will not need to worry about running it again (it will happen in the background).
I think that answers your question. I did want to add two things:
1. Apple is in a much better position now than they were during the transition to Intel. For example, there are hundreds of thousands of iOS apps which can run natively (but perhaps not optimized) on the new Macs. For example, I run the Logos mobile app on my M1. Furthermore, Apple is in a much better position to help developers make the transition.
2. New Macs <may> be coming out next week... and if not, there is a very good chance of new Macs coming out in June (at WWDC). For what its worth.
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Thank you Sir.
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Yes, the answer was provided, but thank you for the extended response.
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M1 Owner here. It works great on mine, but Rosetta is a bad idea long term. Rosetta is the culprit for why some people have extremely high SSD writes that have been reported with the M1. Rosetta requires a lot of swapping and eventually diminishes the longevity of the computer. That said, Logos isn't heavily based on direct drive writes compared to some programs. So I don't want to alarm anyone either. It's more of a general warning.
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Pathfinder said:
M1 Owner here. It works great on mine, but Rosetta is a bad idea long term.
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Has anyone bought a MacBook Pro 14” M1 Max and tested Logos on it? Just wondering what to expect when mine arrives early November. Id be interested in any other of the new MacBook Pro chips as well. Thanks.
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Yup, I'm trying one out right now. I have the base model 14" with the "underpowered" CPU/GPU. It's snappier in Logos my 2018 i5 13" MBP has been. Loading up a 25+ resource layout has a second or two and then every book just appears at once. It's really nice!
And all of that is under Rosetta translation. I can't wait to see what a native application for Apple Silicon would look like. Has there been any update on a timeline for a release? Need any testers?
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Thanks so much for your reply. I'm glad to hear it seems to make a big difference. I so look forward to Logos making a native app.
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that made me chuckle. My raspberry pi is underpowered;)Timothy Shrimpton said:"underpowered"
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A good news, .NET 6 just released last month with M1 native support.
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I just bought the 16" MacBook Pro. I'm having a hard time installing Logos. I can download the .dmg file but I can't get it to open. Is there something obvious that I'm doing wrong?
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Norman Goos said:
I'm having a hard time installing Logos.
Sorry to hear this Norman
Have you dragged the .dmg file to the Applications folder as per https://www.logos.com/install
If that doesn't work please start a new thread in this forum
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Graham Criddle said:
Have you dragged the .dmg file to the Applications folder as per https://www.logos.com/install
The instructions actually have the user double-click the .dmg file to open it (step 1), and then drag the Logos application to the Applications folder (step 2).
If the .dmg file won't open (which sometimes happens on Macs), you can try giving it a few minutes, restarting your Mac, or downloading it again. The Mac OS does some system checks on .dmg files, and on the rare occasion gets stuck somehow. It's no big deal.
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Gregory Lawhorn said:
The instructions actually have the user double-click the .dmg file to open it (step 1), and then drag the Logos application to the Applications folder (step 2).
Thanks for correcting that Gregory
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