personal books citations
Every time I try to copy and paste from a personal book, there is always a "n.d" where the date and publisher should be. I'm assuming n.d. means "no data." However, I did input the data while building the books. Does anyone know how to fix this problem? Thank you.
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Dwayne Justice said:
there is always a "n.d" where the date and publisher should be.
Does that not mean "no date" ?
Regards, SteveF
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Dwayne Justice said:
there is always a "n.d" where the date and publisher should be
Using APA Style, where there was no date and publisher I got
Hooton, D. (n.d.). Peacemaker (Vol. 1, p. 2).
otherwise I got
Hooton, D. (2011). Peacemaker (Vol. 2, p. 1). D. Hooton.
where Date was 2011 and Publisher was D. Hooton
The quotes came from different volume/page milestones e.g. [[@VolumePage: 1,2]]
Dave
===Windows 11 & Android 13
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5 years later, now Logos 9.5 and same issue; any fix? {replies only address meaning of "n.d."}
So when I copy and paste an entry from a personal book, the citation has "n.d." for book year, even though I added the year during the build and can see the year entered when I look up the book in personal books library list.
TY for any help. Don
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Don Parker said:
5 years later, now Logos 9.5 and same issue; any fix? {replies only address meaning of "n.d."}
So when I copy and paste an entry from a personal book, the citation has "n.d." for book year, even though I added the year during the build and can see the year entered when I look up the book in personal books library list.
please provide screenshots (such as the library list with the date, and your citation and citation style)
Have joy in the Lord!
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Most of my PB's are like this also - but I am pretty sure it is because I usually don't enter the information Logos needs to provide the data - namely, I have not added the "Publisher & Publication Date" field in the Library Information section of the PB tool. This field is NOT listed by default, so it is quite easy to not input. But if you click "Add field", you should see a way to add it.
When I just did a quick test of a PB where I had entered this metadata, a cut and paste into MS Word DID give the date and publisher, like it does in full Logos resources.
The Gospel is not ... a "new law," on the contrary, ... a "new life." - William Julius Mann
L8 Anglican, Lutheran and Orthodox Silver, Reformed Starter, Academic Essentials
L7 Lutheran Gold, Anglican Bronze
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Thanks Ken.
As you can see from the post, the year is included for Personal Book but citation lists "n.d."
PS. I get that "new life vs. new law" provides an alliterated sound bite and will "Preach!" But if that new life includes being related to God as one of His people, personal knowledge of God, and forgiveness of sins under the New Covenant, it also includes His law being written in our hearts, no?
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You have to click "Add field" at the bottom of the Library Information section and select "Publisher & Publication Date" for this to be in the citation.Don Parker said:
As you can see from the post, the year is included for Personal Book but citation lists "n.d."Dave
===Windows 11 & Android 13
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Don Parker said:
Please use the paper-clip icon in the forum toolbar to upload images in jpg or png format.
Dave
===Windows 11 & Android 13
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Don Parker said:
the year is included for Personal Book but citation lists "n.d."
Yeah. For whatever reason, the citation system ignores that date. Instead it goes with the year from a different field, namely "Publisher and Publication Date", which is not a default field listed. Instead, you have to click "Add Field" to get access to it.
Don Parker said:PS. I get that "new life vs. new law" provides an alliterated sound bite and will "Preach!" But if that new life includes being related to God as one of His people, personal knowledge of God, and forgiveness of sins under the New Covenant, it also includes His law being written in our hearts, no?
I would maybe phrase things a bit differently, but largely what you are saying is what I am mean by quoting Wm. Mann, namely, that our problem is not that we need to be told what to do, but rather that we need a Heart Transplant to be set in a right relationship with God in Faith. And when we are set in that right relationship with God in Faith, everything of our lives is transformed, since in Christ we ARE a new Creation. And of course, this new relationship will be lived out differently as we see the whole world as the world created by a good and loving God, who came to us in the Flesh, and has sent us the Spirit of new life and new possibilities. And I pray for that day when God's desires will fully be written on my heart, while also recognizing that I am not there yet - and the Law of God thus seems strange and alienating because it reminds me of how I live my life comes woefully short, even as I know that I need this Law...
The Gospel is not ... a "new law," on the contrary, ... a "new life." - William Julius Mann
L8 Anglican, Lutheran and Orthodox Silver, Reformed Starter, Academic Essentials
L7 Lutheran Gold, Anglican Bronze
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TY for suggestion. Same result however.
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I missed this requirement in intro rules to the forum - Is such there?
If you are the moderator insisting on a particular format, maybe that should be the only option for a "newbie" following the quick reply prompts? Currently allows for document attachment.
No specific format originally requested, btw.
Guess I am outta here.
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Don Parker said:
I missed this requirement in intro rules to the forum - Is such there?
There are no rules but there are conventions that will get you more people looking at the problem. In this particular case, I cannot open your .doc and am not inclined to troubleshoot why. I also almost never open videos. And I can't help without your images because I can't recreate your problem ... there is some disconnect between your description and my interpretation -- a common problem in the forums which is why we ask for additional information or screen shots or ... It is not a demand, it is a simple request of what one or more of us need if you are to get a satisfactory answer. What I would want to see in a screen shot of the metadata you entered into the Personal Book tool prior to the compile.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Don Parker said:
I missed this requirement in intro rules to the forum - Is such there?
Welcome [:D]
Logos Wiki has => Using the Forums that includes:
- Adding a picture to a Post (now can use paper clip OR Orange hexagon: Amber)
Logos Wiki also has => Screenshot
Don Parker said:No specific format originally requested, btw.
Concur insert media allows many file formats. Personally use jpg (so saving file allows me to reduce image file size for quicker upload)
Amber allows pasting from clipboard for image uploading.
Keep Smiling [:)]
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I still do not see you as having added the "Publisher & Publication Date" field.
The Gospel is not ... a "new law," on the contrary, ... a "new life." - William Julius Mann
L8 Anglican, Lutheran and Orthodox Silver, Reformed Starter, Academic Essentials
L7 Lutheran Gold, Anglican Bronze
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Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Don,
The Copyright info is visible in the resource's Information page, but is not used in the Citation (also shown in that page). The APA citation includes Author, Publication Date, Title, Publisher (in that order).Dave
===Windows 11 & Android 13
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TY for that.
Suggested previously.
Tried unsuccessfully.
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I'm trying to figure out how it is failing. Am I correct that you did the following steps?
- Opened the PB tool
- Opened the resource in edit mode
- used the add field to add publication data
- recompiled the resource
- waited until the compile was complete
- tested to see if the copy now noted the publishing information
If that is what you have done, then I'll start thinking of what settings you may have that are interfering with the citation.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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You may have indicated I am missing a step! How does one "recompile the resource?"
I added the field and the pub. and date based on another prior suggested. Then when I close and reopen I can see those two additional data (when opening edit for that resource) as in screenshot you sent. (if my screenshot is needed to confirm the veracity, maybe later.) So absolutely entered now and recorded in logos, but still makes no difference in citations. Please tell me how to take the additional step needed. TY!
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Don Parker said:
You may have indicated I am missing a step! How does one "recompile the resource?"
You just hit the build button for the book.
Have joy in the Lord!
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To recap: I posted doc file showing issue as intially experienced. Later reposted that as jpeg as insisted. In between I had attempted adding field as someone suggested but that did still not change outcome.
You do not see an updated screenshot because I have not submitted it.
My question is not addressed anymore to you, but to the "blessed" who "have not seen" but believe, when I say I have done so and have the same problem remaining.
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Could you please post an updated screenshot since the 2nd one did not have the field we requested?
The Gospel is not ... a "new law," on the contrary, ... a "new life." - William Julius Mann
L8 Anglican, Lutheran and Orthodox Silver, Reformed Starter, Academic Essentials
L7 Lutheran Gold, Anglican Bronze
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M.J. Smith provided me a possible solution, without a screenshot: I need to build the book again a second time after adding the additional field and data, something no one else mentioned- that although you can "edit" resources in the PB tool, those edits. TY M.J.!
Just to know if I should ever try this forum again, probably not: Who is the royal "we?" And the requirement is that a screenshot must PROVE every time any proposed solution is ineffective? And where were the required screenshots and actual solution when this issue was posted 5 years ago?
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M.J. Citations fixed, but as you indicated, only after adding Pub and date in new field AND then building the book again. (sadly)
Thanks again for an actual solution. (And for not simply challenging, insulting, "lording it over," a "newbie." Seems a common practice in IT.)
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Don Parker said:
Thanks again for an actual solution. (And for not simply challenging, insulting, "lording it over," a "newbie." Seems a common practice in IT.)
The initial requests were for our (forum helpers) clarification and ability to assist you, but most of us missed the required "Build" step in our thinking, so you received some incomplete/unnecessary advice. I regret that my latter advice was incomplete (probably unnecessary), so helpers do make mistakes or not understand the current situation; but there is no intention to "lord it over" a newbie (as with the repeated request for a screen shot).
Dave
===Windows 11 & Android 13
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