Please transfer WordSearch KJV to Logos Bible Software Library
Dear Faithlife/Logos:
It has been said that WordSearch is transferring WordSearch Library to Logos Bible Software. Currently WordSearch Library includes a special KJV Bible which makes it easier to read with the headings all throughout the Bible.
I was told that because Logos already has the KJV Bible, they will not transfer the WordSearch KJV over since it is the same KJV.
But here is the misunderstanding. The WordSearch KJV Bible is much better because it includes headings. The Logos KJV does not have any headings and it is harder to read.
Please take the time to compare both KJV texts before making a final decision.
I am making an urgent appeal that this specific WordSearch KJV Bible will also be transferred to Logos since it is part of the WordSearch Library. Logos Bible Software has only one KJV and it does not include any headings whatsoever. This WordSearch KJV Bible makes a great reading and study Bible and would be an asset for the Logos Library. Please prayerfully consider this urgent and special request. Here is the information:
WordSearch KJV Number: 005619461
https://app.wordsearchbible.lifeway.com/library/title/005619461
I am making an urgent appeal that this specific WordSearch KJV Bible will also be transferred to Logos since it is part of the WordSearch Library.
https://app.wordsearchbible.lifeway.com/library/title/005619461
Here is my original request:
I have been reading and studying from the KJV in WordSearch and it is truly an amazing tool, especially with the headings (see below for an example).
I know you are transferring all the titles over to Logos Bible Software, however, I heard that this specific KJV Bible from WordSearch will not be transferred over.
Currently, Logos has only one KJV Bible and it does not include ANY headings at all.
In fact, it is harder to read without the headings/subheadings.
The WordSearch KJV would be an asset to Logos and a valuable resource.
I was hoping to see this WordSearch KJV Bible transferred to Logos because it would be very beneficial to many.
Is there a way to escalate this urgent and special request? It would greatly appreciated.
Also, is there a way to purchase a PDF WordSearch KJV Bible with this format?
I don't want to lose access to use this specific KJV from the WordSearch website.
How can you help me with this problem?
Thank you.
Sincerely,
Curtis
PS: Here is the specific WordSearch KJV Bible info below.
WordSearch KJV Number: 005619461
Link:
.https://app.wordsearchbible.lifeway.com/library/title/005619461.
Please view the attach screen shots.
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Curtis said:Logos Bible Software has only one KJV and it does not include any headings whatsoever.
Actually Logos has several KJV (it's difficult to produce the KJV), but those named KJV don't include headings, as far as I've seen. Your headings look very similar to those contained in Webster's edition of the KJV (which seems to have the very same text as KJV, looking through Gen 1-3)
https://ref.ly/logosres/hlybblwebster?ref=Bible.Ge1.20&off=18
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You gotta admit that those headings are pretty cool.
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NB.Mick said:Curtis said:
Logos Bible Software has only one KJV and it does not include any headings whatsoever.
Actually Logos has several KJV (it's difficult to produce the KJV), but those named KJV don't include headings, as far as I've seen.
Logos Blog article June 2017 => You've Probably Never Seen the Real King James Version (image of Esther text has no headings in the text) (Wikipedia mentions some printing variations: "He"/"She" Bible for Ruth 3:15 + "Wicked Bible")
New Cambridge Paragraph Bible with the Apocrypha, rev. ed. (NCPB) (does not have pericopes/headings)
Logos Blog article March 2006 => In search of the King James Version
The Authorized English Version (1873) with Reverse Interlinear (original language lemma's, morphology, and strong's aligned with English words)
The King James Version (1900) with Reverse Interlinear
Logos.com search for Authorized Version Bibles => https://www.logos.com/search?query=authorized%20version&sortBy=Relevance&limit=60&page=1&ownership=all&geographicAvailability=all&filters=resourcetype-bibles_Resource%20Type
FYI: 1769 Blayney revision is currently not available for purchase.
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GaoLu said:
You gotta admit that those headings are pretty cool.
Lexham English Bible headings can be searched in 1900 KJV *King James Version" for scripture navigation:
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Hi Curtis:
I can only offer a kludge, but see https://community.logos.com/forums/p/183308/1060779.aspx#1060779 and following replies on how to force a KJV edition into NRSV pericope boundaries and headings. (Note the additional info about compiling as a 'Bible Harmony'.) If it's important enough to you, you can edit the headings themselves (easy, but time-consuming) and/or the actual boundaries (with risk of accidentally leaving something out). This will work only on the desktop app, not phones, tablets, or the web app.
Let me know if you need help compiling a Personal Book.
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Hi Robert,
Thank you for your help and suggestions. They are very helpful.
It's interesting... I can purchase printed KJV Bibles that include periscopes (ie: The Open Bible, The KJV Study Bible, etc.).
Yet, in the Logos library, I haven't found a KJV Bible with the periscopes.
I am also a member of WordSearch (Lifeway) Bible program and they are in the process of transferring their library to Logos. Unfortunately, they informed me that since Logos already has a KJV Bible, they don't need the WordSearch KJV Bible.
I have been trying to let them know that the WordSearch KJV Bible includes periscopes (headings/subheadings) which makes it easier to read.
This WordSearch KJV Bible makes a great reading and study Bible and would be an asset for the Logos Library. Please prayerfully consider this urgent and special request. Here is the information:
WordSearch KJV Number: 005619461
https://app.wordsearchbible.lifeway.com/library/title/ 005619461 I am making an urgent appeal that this specific WordSearch KJV Bible will also be transferred to Logos since it is part of the WordSearch Library.
https://app.wordsearchbible.lifeway.com/library/title/ 005619461 I was able to connect The Outline Bible by Harold Willington (https://www.logos.com/product/1765/the-outline-bible) with the the Logos KJV but when you look at the KJV, it's still harder to read without the headings/subheadings and spacing.This is why I like the WordSearch KJV that includes all of that. And all Logos has to do is transfer it over since they own WordSearch (Lifeway) digital products.See attachments of my screen shot of Logos with The Bible Outline and the WordSearch KJV Bible.Thanks.
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The New King James version contains pericopes (note the spelling). But pericope divisions and headings are not common in the KJV translation lineage.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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I agree with you Curtis that FL should bring across the product you purchased from WS to their environment. It is either a failure on their part to understand the unique features of the product or if they were aware of it then a decision on their behalf that you do not need those heading. if that is the case it is not a way to be warm and welcoming to new customers.
Regardless though of what anyone thinks and the helpful but less than satisfying work arounds they have suggested you should have access in FL to what you paid for is the bottom line. But none of us can influence that in a way to make it happen. You need to email these CEO, bob@logos.com , to raise your concerns with someone that has influence.
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Hi Disciple II,
Thank you so much for your help and recommendation in e-mailing Bob directly. I appreciate your help so much!
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They heard you! I now have the Wordsearch King James Bible.
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Jeff Moore said:
They heard you! I now have the Wordsearch King James Bible.
Thank you and Praise the Lord!
The KJV (WS) is priceless!
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Curtis said:
The KJV (WS) is priceless!
And HERE WE GO!
Curtis, based upon your post count you may be rather new to the Faithlife Forums, so I do not want this to come across as a "scolding". There are currently 2 different threads (1 has been recently locked) where users are debating what is/isn't a "theological discussion". I do not offer this as an invitation to debate, because we are unlikely to convince the other. But simply as an example that there are contrary views within the group of forum users.
The link that you posted supports views of bibliology, some of which are challenged in the Faithlife resource https://faithlifetv.com/items/621210.
I am intentionally NOT declaring a position. Just exposing the diversity of opinions.
Making Disciples! Logos Ecosystem = LogosMax on Microsoft Surface Pro 7 (Win11), Android app on tablet, FSB on iPhone & iPad mini, Proclaim (Proclaim Remote on Fire Tablet).
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David Thomas said:
Curtis, based upon your post count you may be rather new to the Faithlife Forums, so I do not want this to come across as a "scolding".
Hi David,
Yes, I am new to the Faithlife Forums and I am grateful to hear from you.
There is a thread titled: "Forum for discussions on theology" that is currently locked. I did not start that thread, nor did I involve myself with that topic. I just wanted to know how and why it got locked.
As for the KJV vs. other Bible versions, I am still prayerfully studying this fascinating topic, especially since it involves omitting Jesus' own words in Luke 4:4 and Luke 4:8 and many other passages of Scripture.
Thank you for sharing the link you provided. I will also add this to my study library.
Blessings,
Curtis
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Curtis said:
I just wanted to know how and why it got locked.
- When individuals make forum posts that are contrary to the guidelines, anyone in the forums can politely ask them to stay within the guidelines. The poster of the offensive post's response usually is the end of the matter.
- When individuals makes forum posts that are outrageously contrary to the guidelines (quite rare and usually unknown trolls) or individuals continue to make posts contrary to the guidelines one of three things may happen:
- anyone in the forums may report the offending posts to Faithlife via the option on the upper right.
- Faithlife may simply deem the post/thread as not requiring their involvement
- Faithlife may contact the poster behind the scenes which may result in anything between a friendly chat, an editing of the original post, to a short suspension of access to the forums
- Faithlife may take visible action such as a public warning on the thread that it is going off the rails to a locking of the thread.
- the person who started the thread may contact Faithlife through the report abuse and ask that the thread be locked
- Faithlife tries to use a very light hand in intervening but they are the only ones who can. The other path is for deletion, in which you are never aware of the post -- trolls are often picked up as spam or reported as spam and slide into spam oblivion.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Hi MJ. Smith:
Makes perfect sense. Thank you for your detailed response. It is greatly appreciated.
Blessings,
Curtis
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I am in agreement with the request to make the KJV WordSearch (WS) available. There is an examination edition but the KJV that was available in WS had a toggle to move from paragraph to verse mode. As the sample shows this is not available. At first glimps is seems that Logos is "anti" KJV. That would be tragic if that is true.
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Jerry, welcome to the forums.
Look at the three circles in a triangle icon (Visual Filters icon) on the KJV (Wordsearch version) resource panel. Under the Resource menu you will see a Bible Text Only option with options under that. These are formatting options you can use to change the text into something like you'd like to have.
Since Faithlife offers a number of KJV texts, you should be able to find another one that shows the text in paragraph format without the Wordsearch headings that you could also change back and forth from paragraph to verse by verse format.
Pastor, North Park Baptist Church
Bridgeport, CT USA
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I agree with the need to transfer the WORDsearch KJV to Logos, unless Logos will put the pericopes in the KJV 1900 version. I have always liked that about the WORDsearch version of the KJV. On occasion I would use the WORDsearch app to see the KJV with the pericopes. Maybe toggelable pericopes in Logos KJV 1900 version is the real and simpler answer?
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Fred Littlefield said:
I agree with the need to transfer the WORDsearch KJV to Logos, unless Logos will put the pericopes in the KJV 1900 version. I have always liked that about the WORDsearch version of the KJV.
You should see it in your library already: https://ref.ly/logosres/ws-0-1?art=title
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Jerry Rockwell said:
At first glimps is seems that Logos is "anti" KJV.
Really?? Since the delivery of the Wordsearch KJV last week, I now have seven complete stand-alone KJV texts in my Logos library, two of which are available with full reverse interlinears embedded. Three others are tagged with Strong's numbers, and two of those (all but the WS KJV) also contain some kind of grammatical tagging. The WS Edition KJV appears to have been produced because former WS users were complaining that their originally mapped Logos KJV lacked the non-Biblical text from the CROSS edition!
Toggling paragraph mode on and off takes two (or three) clicks in Logos instead of one, because Logos has so many user-controlled resource display options they need to put them in a menu.
Admittedly, some KJV-oriented resources are not particularly well formatted in Logos and are comparatively hard to use (e.g. AMG's Complete Word Study Bible; POSB), but these have been around for years, and it doesn't seem like there's been much demand to improve them. Nonetheless, I think suggesting that Logos might be "anti" KJV seems a bit over the top.
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Thank you for your reply. The big question is how do I access these with my Logos9?
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When I open my Logos 9, there are only three KJV editions available. KJV w/Apocrypha, KJV 1900 and KJV (WS). The KJV (WS) does not have reverse interlinear. The KJV 1900 has reverse interlinear but it is formatted like the New Translations. Check Judges 5 for instance. The verses are shorter and they are laid out in a format not like the KJV is laid out. Can you explain to me why they did this? I am not being coy either. I am serious and have studied from the KJV for over 50 years and did not encounter this phenomenon until Logos came along. Thank you in advance for your help.
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Jerry Rockwell said:
The verses are shorter and they are laid out in a format not like the KJV is laid out.
I can't speak for the Wordstudy editions, but the Logos policy is to faithfully follow the format of the edition given in the bibliographic information. There is not KJV format, there is only the format of a particular edition from a particular publisher. If there is a discrepancy between the hard copy and the electronic copy it should be reported as an error. Remember, however, to check that you have not modified the format by your choice of filters.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Jerry Rockwell said:
When I open my Logos 9, there are only three KJV editions available. KJV w/Apocrypha, KJV 1900 and KJV (WS). The KJV (WS) does not have reverse interlinear. The KJV 1900 has reverse interlinear but it is formatted like the New Translations. Check Judges 5 for instance. The verses are shorter and they are laid out in a format not like the KJV is laid out.
Screen shot(s) would help illustrate formatting differences. Logos Wiki has => Screenshot
My Logos Library has five KJV Bibles with three formatting variants in Judges 5 (screen shot also has 1894 English and 1901 American revisions).
Inverted screen shot image:
Screen shot shows 1873 Authorized Version and New Cambridge Paragraph Bible (NCPB) missing from KJV Bible "Equivalent resources"
Academic Blog article about NCPB => You’ve Probably Never Seen the Real King James Version
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