Showing Lemma Discussions in Factbook and Bible Word Study Guide via Community Tags
Would you like to see us add the Community Tags search section to Factbook and Bible Word Study Guide?
This would allow you to tag lemmas (in their original languages or transliterated) in articles outside of lexicons (e.g., in journals, commentaries, and theological works) and have them show up alongside the lexicons we've already tagged.
Here are a couple of examples:
There's a goldmine of lexical material we're currently not exposing, and we'll likely never get around to manually tagging everything.
Perhaps we could programmatically run a script and automate tagging as much as we can with 80–90% accuracy and then let you correct the 10–20% and add anything we missed.
Would you find this useful?
I tagged a bunch of material tonight on ἱλασμός, νόμος, δίκαιος, πίστις, and διαθήκη. You can check it out and then imagine having access to it in the context of a Factbook lemma page or a Bible Word Study Guide.
Ideally we'd add some controls to the Community Tags section to let you filter and/or order by resource type and have the option to include only hits in article/chapter titles and headings vs. hits in paragraph content.
If we built this, would you use it? Merely as a consumer of others' work? Or would you contribute and add tags, too?
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Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Any other reactions to this?
The basic proposal is (a) showing articles on Greek/Hebrew words from commentaries, journals, and theological words in Factbook and Bible Word Study Guide and (b) enabling users to easily add more.
Is that appealing to you?
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Any other reactions to this?
The basic proposal is (a) showing articles on Greek/Hebrew words from commentaries, journals, and theological words in Factbook and Bible Word Study Guide and (b) enabling users to easily add more.
Is that appealing to you?
As I have said in other threads on these forums, I find dark mode screenshots very off-putting and just skip over posts containing them. It is just not worth the effort of trying to read the unreadable.
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I find dark mode screenshots very off-putting and just skip over posts containing them. It is just not worth the effort of trying to read the unreadable.
I may read the text of the post but I don't waste time trying to read dark mode screenshots (or screens) ... they are nearly impossible to read.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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The basic proposal is (a) showing articles on Greek/Hebrew words from commentaries, journals, and theological words in Factbook and Bible Word Study Guide and (b) enabling users to easily add more.
Absolutely. I have 24,000 resources and I do not know Greek or Hebrew, anything that will help me find and understand the meaning and use of these words in context buried within all those resources I'm all for it!
Too soon old. Too late smart.
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I would love this feature. Anything to help comb through resources is a plus for me. I would tag resources as I came across them, much with typos, but would not actively look for them.
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I agree regarding dark mode screenshots [Y]
Too soon old. Too late smart.
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As I have said in other threads on these forums, I find dark mode screenshots very off-putting and just skip over posts containing them. It is just not worth the effort of trying to read the unreadable.
Good to know. You can still engage with the post without the screenshot, but here's a light mode version just for you.
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here's a light mode version just for you.
Okay. I guess not just for you. Now I know not to use dark mode screenshots.
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Phil,Would you like to see us add the Community Tags search section to Factbook and Bible Word Study Guide?
This would allow you to tag lemmas (in their original languages or transliterated) in articles outside of lexicons (e.g., in journals, commentaries, and theological works) and have them show up alongside the lexicons we've already tagged.
Are training videos and documentation illustrating the basics of creating a community tag available and how much facility with the OL is required to produce a usable tag?
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If we built this, would you use it? Merely as a consumer of others' work? Or would you contribute and add tags, too?
Hand tagging seems like a tedious way to accomplish something that FL's computers and programmers can accomplish with 80-90% accuracy. Since you don't have time to hand tag it, you can let us tag it with Community tagging, but I would rarely if ever help with this.
A lemma search would not turn up the two hits you have in The Apostolic Preaching of the Cross but a search on the Greek word itself turns up 12 hits in 5 articles (which includes finding the word in footnotes (!)). That seems like an adequate way to find the word in other sources to me. I know this doesn't add the capability to include community tags in a Bible Word Study which seems to be your aim. Yet it avoids a lot of manual work by whoever would do it.
Perhaps you should add a "Search all resources for this word" (or a collection) option in The Bible Word Study guide. That would enhance the guide and reduce the need to tag thousands of resources.
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Are training videos and documentation illustrating the basics of creating a community tag available and how much facility with the OL is required to produce a usable tag?
I don't see any current training materials, but we could certainly create some.
It's pretty straight forward:
- Make sure the "Show Community Tags" setting is enabled in Program Settings. Or type "Show Community Tags" into the Go Box.
- Turn "Community Tags" on in the resource visual filter menu, and set it to "Show in all appropriate resources."
- Right click on something that needs to be tagged. Think, for example, of some content that ought to be showing up on a Factbook page but isn't.
- Make sure the text is selected on left side of the context menu and then choose "Add community tag" at the bottom of the right side of the menu.
- Select the appropriate tag.
- Save it.
This isn't just for original language words. It's for just about any reference in any of our data sets (though a few are missing that we added in Logos 8 and 9). Once we hook it back up to Factbook (and expand its coverage), any article you tag will instantly show up in the Community Tags section. At that point, it's probably worth thinking of this feature as the way you add articles to a Factbook page.
Until we get it hooked back up, you can right click on the tagged text, select the tag you just added on the left side of the context menu, and choose Search Community Tags to find it and everything else that's been tagged with the same tag.
You can also open Search, set the collection to Community Tags, and search for the reference.
Here are some theological topics you can try:
- <Topic = Prevenient Grace>: Imagine this section added to the somewhat sparse Factbook page.
- <Topic = Supralapsarianism>: Imagine this section added to the somewhat sparse Factbook page.
- <Topic = Perichoresis>: Imagine this section added to the somewhat sparse Factbook page.
Here are some Greek lemmas you can try:
- <Lemma = lbs/el/ἱλασμός>: Imagine this section added to the somewhat sparse Factbook page.
- <Lemma = lbs/el/νόμος>: Imagine this section added to the somewhat sparse Factbook page.
- <Lemma = lbs/el/δίκαιος>: Imagine this section added to the somewhat sparse Factbook page.
- <Lemma = lbs/el/πίστις>: Imagine this section added to the somewhat sparse Factbook page.
- <Lemma = lbs/el/διαθήκη>: Imagine this section added to the somewhat sparse Factbook page.
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Hand tagging seems like a tedious way to accomplish something that FL's computers and programmers can accomplish with 80-90% accuracy.
Right, which is why I suggested a both-and strategy, where we programmatically tag as much as we can and enable users to correct any inaccuracies and add anything we missed.
A lemma search would not turn up the two hits you have in The Apostolic Preaching of the Cross
A lemma search of Community Tags does: <Lemma = lbs/el/ἱλασμός>.
a search on the Greek word itself turns up 12 hits in 5 articles (which includes finding the word in footnotes (!)) That seems like an adequate way to find the word in other sources to me.
I rarely want to find every occurrence of a term. I'm usually looking for meaningful discussions about it, usually in articles or sections where the word occurs in the title or a heading, which is what I tagged for this exercise.
If we programmatically tagged lemmas, we'd tag all inflected forms and then ideally provide a setting in the Factbook section to show hits in titles and headings or show all hits.
Perhaps you should add a "Search all resources for this word" (or a collection) option in The Bible Word Study guide. That would enhance the guide and reduce the need to tag thousands of resources.
That could be useful, but the current search engine wouldn't be able to capture (a) transliteration or (b) inflected forms.
But we have code (used to generate the Lemma in Passage data) that should be able find and tag both.
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Perhaps you should add a "Search all resources for this word" (or a collection) option in The Bible Word Study guide. That would enhance the guide and reduce the need to tag thousands of resources.
No - the primary reason for adding a community tag in my experience are:
- to pick up resources that are not currently picked up in dictionaries/encyclopedias
- to disambiguate names so that you get only the person/item you intend
- to disambiguate names that appear only as a group in the dictionaries/encyclopedias
I am fairly certain that nearly everyone using them have a similar list. There is one person who seems to be of the all occurrences persuasion.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Here's another example where I tagged all author references to <Biography Andrew David Naselli>, making it easy to quickly find all of his authored works, which could show up on his Factbook page, where we presently show only whole resources he authored/edited instead of works he's written (16 vs. 90). You also get the nice side benefit of a tooltip which displays his author bio right in the resource.
I'm exploring whether we could programmatically tag all names in author fields. We won't be able to solve disambiguation, but that shouldn't matter for 99% of authors. Aliases may be a little harder, since we probably don't have comprehensive aliases for most authors. But we might be able to compensate for that in our algorithm (e.g., by ignoring the presence/absence of a middle name or initial and recognizing common short/long forms of names such as Tim/Timothy, Mike/Michael).
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I’m with Jack, you lost my interest with the Dark Mode screen shots. Post with screen shots that are readable and you might get more of a response.
Any other reactions to this?
The basic proposal is (a) showing articles on Greek/Hebrew words from commentaries, journals, and theological words in Factbook and Bible Word Study Guide and (b) enabling users to easily add more.
Is that appealing to you?
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This is much better and readable making it clear what you are talking about Phil. Thank you.
i have reservations about community tagging at times with the same thing being tagged in every paragraph but this would certainly be helpful all the same, especially with Journal article authors for instance.
Here's another example where I tagged all author references to <Biography Andrew David Naselli>, making it easy to quickly find all of his authored works, which could show up on his Factbook page, where we presently show only whole resources he authored/edited instead of works he's written (16 vs. 90). You also get the nice side benefit of a tooltip which displays his author bio right in the resource.
I'm exploring whether we could programmatically tag all names in author fields. We won't be able to solve disambiguation, but that shouldn't matter for 99% of authors. Aliases may be a little harder, since we probably don't have comprehensive aliases for most authors. But we might be able to compensate for that in our algorithm (e.g., by ignoring the presence/absence of a middle name or initial and recognizing common short/long forms of names such as Tim/Timothy, Mike/Michael).
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Would you like to see us add the Community Tags search section to Factbook and Bible Word Study Guide?
My first response to your question was not enthusiastic because I have seldom used community tags. Upon deeper reflection I think that this may be because I've never really grasped the potential value of this. Now I think that I am beginning to see the potential.
If it was adapted I think that it would help if there was a push to train people on the value of it and how to use it.
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but here's a light mode version just for you.
Nice to be singled out this way [:P]
I have never made use of community tags, but this feature just might would convince me that community tags can be valuable.
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Would you like to see us add the Community Tags search section to Factbook and Bible Word Study Guide?
No. I don't use Community anything, since there's no review-source process beyond 'a lot' (which in a religious platform, is significant). When word-tagging is added, quite obviously, it's belief-selective ... else the word wouldn't need discussing.
Imagine me community-tagging all my favorites. This, this!! Better, automated.
But others might value.
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