Look what I found: https://www.logos.com/product/217230/logos-6-lutheran-platinum-legacy-library
Perhaps a sale on Logos 6 libraries is coming...
As a somewhat mouthy Lutheran
That made me smile Ken. [:)]
I always appreciate hearing your perspective.
Having done an overview of the Logos 6 Lutheran packages, I will add some briefer notes on other packages.
In my opinion an amazing deal since it includes the NT Wright NT for Everyone as well as some useful dictionaries/encyclopedias, and JND Kelly.
If you want NT Wright’s Christian Origins series, this is a great way to get it, and it includes EDNT, TDNT-A, TLOT, and some good classical works too.
Adds Black’s NT Commentaries, as well as Jeremy Taylor and Polkinghorne
Back in the day, I thought that Starter was the most impressive of the Starter packages because the NT Wright set was aimed at starters, was up to date, and so also was not PD fluff like I saw in too many Starter packages.
I stopped at Bronze then, but Silver looks quite appealing to me.
...I am going to try to say what some of the highlights are of the various levels.
Thanks, Ken. Very helpful! Please, do share your highlights - also other people, and from other denominational packages.
Verbum 6 Starter
Catholic edition of ECF, Aquinas Summa, Youcat, and some official church documents. The odd thing is that it appears that CCC itself is not included.
Verbum 6 Bronze
All the encyclicals of John Paul II and Benedict XVI, the New Roman Missal in English, Compendium of the Social Teaching of the Church, some significant theological works of Benedict XVI, Living the CCC, and a few more historically important works. Again, it appears that CCC itself is not included. Must be a rights thing since there were odd rights issues with where different English editions could be sold. Since I have it in two Logos editions from later packages, I don't care, but it is odd.
I didn't get any of them back then, but went to Bronze today - largely for the Compendium on Social Teaching, since I have found Catholic Social teaching interesting, but it is hard for an outsider to really piece the parts together as it has evolved...
but the Catholic Encyclopedia remains stubbornly out of my reach I know what you mean. I have used package deals to get many useful PD resources - as well as too many not so useful ones. Years ago there was a PD of The Catholic Encyclopedia that I found somewhere, but was able to get the "real" version by buying Verbum 9 Academic Standard, which was affordable because I had so much of it already. So far the only Logos 6 legacy library that I picked up today was Verbum 6 - mostly for the Compedium of the Social Teaching of the Church.
but the Catholic Encyclopedia remains stubbornly out of my reach
I know what you mean. I have used package deals to get many useful PD resources - as well as too many not so useful ones. Years ago there was a PD of The Catholic Encyclopedia that I found somewhere, but was able to get the "real" version by buying Verbum 9 Academic Standard, which was affordable because I had so much of it already.
So far the only Logos 6 legacy library that I picked up today was Verbum 6 - mostly for the Compedium of the Social Teaching of the Church.
This package has several of my top wishlist items, but it is still too much for me fit into my budget. I just remain in trust that I will have what I need when I need it, and use what I can afford now with curiosity to where that will lead me.
Deprivation and trials make me as curious as they make me afraid. The worse things get, the more interesting my experiences, and the more surprising and unique my papers. Things work out in ways that I could never have imagined.
Silver adds most of Dietrich Bonhoeffer’s works, but not the Index volume and is probably the cheapest way to pick these up.
After sorting through all the L6 Legacy packages this is the one I'm most excited about. I've wanted to get Bonhoeffer's woks for years but it was always too much money. But with dynamic pricing my price is only $42 for Lutheran Silver. My dynamic price just to complete Bonhoeffer is $312 apart from the L6 Legacy package and the the Silver package also includes 36 additional resources including 2 volumes of the History of Biblical Interpretation which retail for over $100.
In summary this is an amazing deal and one worth considering, especially if you appreciate the works of Bonhoeffer.
I've wanted to get Bonhoeffer's woks for years but it was always too much money. But with dynamic pricing my price is only $42 for Lutheran Silver.
It is also in Lutheran Silver 7 with the index volume, so look at prices after you get 6 with the sale price. It might not be too much more. On the other hand, when Logos went from 6 to 7, they replaced a lot of the old PD material with things from Augsburg-Fortress and a few other publishers, so the deal might not be as good as you hope. But yeah, if you are into Bonhoeffer, get one of those Lutheran Silver packages....
Verbum 6 Starter The odd thing is that it appears that CCC itself is not included. Verbum 6 Bronze Again, it appears that CCC itself is not included.
The odd thing is that it appears that CCC itself is not included.
Again, it appears that CCC itself is not included.
The free Verbum includes some things that are not included in free Logos. Is the CCC in the free Verbum?
The SDA Bronze has some beginner Greek textbooks and some preaching and teaching books that some people might not own, yet.
https://www.logos.com/product/217252/logos-6-sda-bronze-legacy-library
There are a ton of $0.17 resources that look like they would clog up my library, unless I hid them.
Not that I see. It has the Catechism that came out of Trent, but not the current one. I first officially picked it up in https://www.logos.com/product/18543/catechism-of-the-catholic-church-collection which was the first Roman Catholic specific collection I picked up. But I have since gotten another edition of it later Verbum packages.
As for the SDA Bronze, the Discourse ESV may have me look a bit deeper. But I am pretty far away from SDA theologically....
Charles Simeon's Horae Homileticae Commentary (https://www.logos.com/product/3870/charles-simeons-horae-homileticae-commentary) is there in Logos 6 Standard Silver. It has high praise from Spurgeon and John Piper. Otherwise, you can only find it only in really expensive packages (Logos 7 Anglican Diamond and Logos 9 Portfolio).
Most volumes of the "Focus on the Bible" commentary (https://www.logos.com/product/205210/focus-on-the-bible-commentary-series-fob) are included in Reformed Silver. Many of the remaining are on sale for $2.99.
At any rate, the complete set doesn't seem to be in any base package. The same set that is available in Logos 6 Reformed Silver is otherwise only available in really expensive packages (Logos 9 Baptist Diamond is the cheapest as far as I can see)
(For the health of my wallet, I'll refrain from revisiting the L6 packages I haven't already gotten...)
Okay, so I didn't. Got 206 resources for about $90, not bad at all, especially as I was able to pick up a couple big theological/biblical dictionaries as part of a package that costs less than one of the dictionaries alone.
The free Verbum includes some things that are not included in free Logos. Is the CCC in the free Verbum? Not that I see. It has the Catechism that came out of Trent, but not the current one. I first officially picked it up in https://www.logos.com/product/18543/catechism-of-the-catholic-church-collection which was the first Roman Catholic specific collection I picked up. But I have since gotten another edition of it later Verbum packages. As for the SDA Bronze, the Discourse ESV may have me look a bit deeper. But I am pretty far away from SDA theologically....
I don't know how I have the CCC.
SDA is not a denomination that I have spent much time studying. I was surprised that there were so many non-denominational resources that I want in the package. It is in my wishlist. I am thinking about it, but think I need to wait or skip it.
(For the health of my wallet, I'll refrain from revisiting the L6 packages I haven't already gotten...) Okay, so I didn't. Got 206 resources for about $90, not bad at all, especially as I was able to pick up a couple big theological/biblical dictionaries as part of a package that costs less than one of the dictionaries alone.
Same. I got 205 resources for $96. Cleared some things off my wishlist that had been there forever.
You may already know this, but the Discourse Analysis Visual Filter turns any reverse interlinear bible into a discourse bible. So you don't have to spend your money on an SDA package unless you just want the Discourse ESV as a standalone resource.
https://support.logos.com/hc/en-us/articles/360025765231-How-do-I-search-for-Discourse-Types-
If you have all of the features you already have the ability to do what the Discourse ESV does.
(For the health of my wallet, I'll refrain from revisiting the L6 packages I haven't already gotten...) Okay, so I didn't. Got 206 resources for about $90, not bad at all, especially as I was able to pick up a couple big theological/biblical dictionaries as part of a package that costs less than one of the dictionaries alone. Same. I got 205 resources for $96. Cleared some things off my wishlist that had been there forever.
Well, I've got 135 resources for about $62, Lutheran Bronze and Orthodox Silver.
Personally, I would think that the New American Commentary series would be the big appeal for Standard Silver.
1Cor10:31">Charles Simeon's Horae Homileticae Commentary (https://www.logos.com/product/3870/charles-simeons-horae-homileticae-commentary) is there in Logos 6 Standard Silver. It has high praise from Spurgeon and John Piper. Otherwise, you can only find it only in really expensive packages (Logos 7 Anglican Diamond and Logos 9 Portfolio). Personally, I would think that the New American Commentary series would be the big appeal for Standard Silver.
1Cor10:31">Charles Simeon's Horae Homileticae Commentary (https://www.logos.com/product/3870/charles-simeons-horae-homileticae-commentary) is there in Logos 6 Standard Silver. It has high praise from Spurgeon and John Piper. Otherwise, you can only find it only in really expensive packages (Logos 7 Anglican Diamond and Logos 9 Portfolio).
They appear to be very different sets to my untrained eyes, and equally useful in different ways. The Lange set claims to include commentary on the apocrypha. This package in my wishlist.
Even if I cannot afford these sets in Logos, I am learning what to seek in another way. I have been requesting books through interlibrary loan when I cannot afford them in logos and it seems to have changed the way a grumpy librarian treats me. LOL God is always always in control.
Picked up L6 Gold
What appeal/benefit/use does NAC have for folks who are not Evangelical Protestants?
Personally, I would think that the New American Commentary series would be the big appeal for Standard Silver. What appeal/benefit/use does NAC have for folks who are not Evangelical Protestants?
It counts as an "acceptable" resource to quote in an academic paper, regardless of the denomination of the professor and school.
I invested in Logos primarily to increase my library of "acceptable" resources. Some of my favorite ebooks that I bought for ME are "folk theology" and "outdated" in other software, and cannot be used in my academic papers except in very specific circumstances. We all are given tasks to do by the Father, and some of us are limited to what He makes accessible to us. Logos packages have been the cheapest way to acquire quotable stuff, especially when I am not picky about denomination. Sometimes the best quotes come from the resources that are most different from the denomination that we favor. I have been surprised at what I have stumbled on in books that I would not have looked at unless it was all that I had.
I am still looking at that Silver set with the partial set NAC, but I am waiting until the entire Christmas season is over. If I get a chance to purchase the things at the top of my wishlist, I need to be prepared to grab them.
I've spent some time in prayer and need to pray more. I thought certain things were going to be on sale that were not. They are missing things that have created a bit of a bottle neck in what I can do with what I already have. I am pulling back and doing almost nothing until I am given more guidance.
Evangelical, SDA, Catholic, Messianic: It is all good stuff to me if it is "acceptable" to professors.
I would say to read broadly across theological lines. The NAC is also very well known and been around a while with volumes in the Top 5 on Best Commentaries if that is worth anything to you. Lastly, I have several courses that do use the NAC as readings.
Best Comms Says:
The New American Commentary (NAC) series brings the best of contemporary evangelical scholarship that honors the full trustworthiness and authority of Scripture to the task of serious exegetical and theological exposition of the Word. Since a commentary is a fundamental tool for the expositor or teacher who seeks to interpret and apply Scripture in the church or classroom, the NAC focuses on communicating the theological structure and content of each biblical book. The writers seek to illuminate both the historical meaning and contemporary significance of Holy Scripture.
In its attempt to make a unique contribution to the Christian community, the NAC focuses on two concerns. First, the commentary emphasizes how each section of a book fits together so that the reader becomes aware of the theological unity of each book and of Scripture as a whole. The writers, however, remain aware of the Bible’s inherently rich variety. Second, the NAC is produced with the conviction that the Bible primarily belongs to the church. Scholarship and the academy provide an indispensable foundation for biblical understanding and the service of Christ, but the editors and authors of this series have attempted to communicate the findings of their research in a manner that will build up the whole body of Christ. Thus, the commentary concentrates on theological exegesis, while providing practical, applicable exposition.
The NAC is for those who have been seeking a commentary that honors the Scriptures, represents the finest in contemporary evangelical scholarship, and lends itself to the practical work of preaching and teaching. This series serves as a minister’s friend and a student’s guide.
The NAC assumes the inerrancy of Scripture, focuses on the intrinsic theological and exegetical concerns of each biblical book, and engages the range of issues raised in contemporary biblical scholarship. Drawing on the skills and insights of over 40 scholars, the NAC brings together scholarship and piety to produce a tool that enhances and supports the life of the church.
https://bestcommentaries.com/series/new-american-commentary-nac/
I would say to read broadly across theological lines.
I have literally hundreds (and hundreds) of Protestant Bible commentaries of various types in Verbum/Logos, including other evangelical ones. How does NAC compare with other evangelical Protestant commentaries? More/less detailed? More/less pastoral? More/less aware of recent historical-critical and related scholarship? More/less conversant with contemporary non-Protestant Bible scholarship? More/less aware of the exegetical traditions of pre-Protestant Christians? More/less committed to hidden/implicit-only theological presuppositions? More/less inclined to provide multiple possibilities when interpretations are disputed? More/less likely to note (and accurately articulate) significant exegetical positions that their authors personally oppose?
I read Best Commentaries blurbs on well-regarded-by-it commentaries as being akin to marketing copy, however unfair that may be on my part, so I'm happy to read any personal corroborations (or refutations) of its remarks on the NAC.
I have literally hundreds (and hundreds) of Protestant Bible commentaries of various types in Verbum/Logos, including other evangelical ones. ... ... I'm happy to read any personal corroborations (or refutations) of its remarks on the NAC.
I have literally hundreds (and hundreds) of Protestant Bible commentaries of various types in Verbum/Logos, including other evangelical ones. ...
... I'm happy to read any personal corroborations (or refutations) of its remarks on the NAC.
Why is this set more likely to listed as required reading on a syllabus than the hundreds of others? I merely noticed the frequency of times I have seen the NAC listed as "acceptable", "recommended" and "required", and figured that I should jump at any chance to acquire the volumes that I see listed the most often, if and when they were offered at steep enough discount.
I am doing a lot of reevaluating this week. And asking questions that I have not asked myself and others.
WHY is this set better than the others? Is it better, or just more popular for some other reason?
I'm going to jump in here with a professional, albeit (barely) retired perspective. And by the way, Kathleen Marie, I don't know where you are in school, if at all. I'm speaking from a seminary level. Anyway, I'm not sure why others have assigned the NAC as required reading, but in my teaching, I never did, I probably never would. (For that matter, in my own pastoral work, I barely looked at them -- maybe never. I usually don't need many ideas for application, so it wouldn't help me much in that department when I'm trying to listen to the voice of God in preparing a sermon. [:)] ) But having said that, I don't have anything against them, per se, other than their stated lack of technical detail, something I needed for graduate students. Also, for technical work, I usually avoided material from denominational publishing houses.
Furthermore (this is mostly for SineNomine), Best Commentaries doesn't do a real good job of reflecting quality for original approaches, and tends favor the approaches I avoided that I spoke of in the preceding paragraph. And that's OK. But when I first learned about that cool web site, it took me a few minutes to realize that I needed to keep its focus in mind.
I could counter with "Observe the number of seminaries/Bible colleges by denomination. Which denominations have the most seminaries/Bible colleges? They will produce the most reading lists and those lists will reflect their biases." My approach is quite different and reflects my "denominational" bias. I look at the 16 or so approaches to Bible study covered in Pontifical Biblical Commission. The Interpretation of the Bible in the Church. Vatican City: Libreria Editrice Vaticana, 1993. and try to get commentaries (or monographs) to represent each approach.
other than their stated lack of technical detail
I'm speaking from a seminary level. Anyway, I'm not sure why others have assigned the NAC as required reading, but in my teaching, I never did, I probably never would. (For that matter, in my own pastoral work, I barely looked at them -- maybe never. I usually don't need many ideas for application
Thank you.
Yes! Thank you!
I've found NAC useful. Like any set, the individual volumes vary in quality. But overall, I'd describe it as an intermediate commentary. I find it a bit more technical than the typical homiletic commentary, but more helpful in preparing lessons to teach in our local congregation than most critical commentaries. So for me the series hits a sweet spot - but that's just for me, and the things I'm typically doing these days.
Continental Commentary Series: Leviticus
https://www.logos.com/product/9222/continental-commentary-series-leviticus-a-book-of-ritual-and-ethics
This book is in Logos 6 Lutheran Gold. I see that some of you have posted about this commentary set in the past. I have heard good things about Leviticus in particular. I think my interlibrary loan request for it was approved.
In an old post, I think someone said that bestcommentaries.com did not give this set a good review.
I also have found the NAC surprisingly good and helpful. It is one of three commentaries I always go to for help. The other two are the NIC-OT/NT and the WBC,
Gulp!
I did not even add these to my wishlist. There is no way I will be able to purchase these. LOL. But I like to just know about books, because I never know when I might be able to buy or borrow a single volume. The Father is good at making the impossible possible when I least expect it.
Jacob Milgrom has studied the Priestly/Holiness material in the Pentateuch more than any scholar I know, writing a magisterial 3 volume commentary on Leviticus for the Anchor-Yale Bible series. In my opinion, agree or disagree with Milgrom on Leviticus, a scholar of Leviticus cannot avoid interacting with him. The above volume is a decent digest of his larger work. This means that it useful for those who want to get an idea of his approach, but to seriously interact with him, you need to go to his other work where he works out the details.
What do you think of Milgrom on Numbers?
Thank you! This is all new information to me, or maybe I was too overwhelmed at the time to focus on more than the most critical things we were taught. I am curious now to look back through my old course notes and see how much Milgrom was mentioned, if at all. I have no memory of him, but ... that is probably my fault.
I have noticed a trend in OT resources that have been discussed lately showing up in lower SDA packages than Messianic ones.
This book is in SDA Silver and Messianic Gold.
Why? Is there a generalization or some context that would be helpful for me to know.
It's also in Messianic Silver.
Jacob Milgrom has studied the Priestly/Holiness material in the Pentateuch more than any scholar I know, writing a magisterial 3 volume commentary on Leviticus for the Anchor-Yale Bible series. In my opinion, agree or disagree with Milgrom on Leviticus, a scholar of Leviticus cannot avoid interacting with him. The above volume is a decent digest of his larger work. This means that it useful for those who want to get an idea of his approach, but to seriously interact with him, you need to go to his other work where he works out the details. Thank you! This is all new information to me, or maybe I was too overwhelmed at the time to focus on more than the most critical things we were taught. I am curious now to look back through my old course notes and see how much Milgrom was mentioned, if at all. I have no memory of him, but ... that is probably my fault.
I also like Milgrom but I dug this post out of the past of it helps you
Leviticus (Milgrom) I have seen a few people recommend this. What makes it good? It's worth knowing that Milgrom was a Conservative Jewish rabbi, and doesn't interpret the Old Testament christologically, or in the light of the NT.* He's not the only one, of course. Many of the Old Testament critical commentators take a similar stance. If the purpose of all of Scripture is to point to Jesus Christ, Milgrom (and other exegetes who take a similar stance) miss the main point — however good their exegesis and understanding of cultic background and so on. I'm not saying that it's therefore not useful at all — I own it, and use it — but it's worth knowing before purchase. * As a comparison, in Gordon Wenham's NICOT volume on Leviticus, 22% of references to other parts of the Bible are to the NT. In Milgrom's three volumes it's 0.6%.
Leviticus (Milgrom) I have seen a few people recommend this. What makes it good?
Leviticus (Milgrom)
I have seen a few people recommend this. What makes it good?
It's worth knowing that Milgrom was a Conservative Jewish rabbi, and doesn't interpret the Old Testament christologically, or in the light of the NT.* He's not the only one, of course. Many of the Old Testament critical commentators take a similar stance.
If the purpose of all of Scripture is to point to Jesus Christ, Milgrom (and other exegetes who take a similar stance) miss the main point — however good their exegesis and understanding of cultic background and so on.
I'm not saying that it's therefore not useful at all — I own it, and use it — but it's worth knowing before purchase.
* As a comparison, in Gordon Wenham's NICOT volume on Leviticus, 22% of references to other parts of the Bible are to the NT. In Milgrom's three volumes it's 0.6%.
It is from: https://community.logos.com/forums/t/178621.aspx
Agreed though the WBC is hit and miss for me. Exodus, Numbers and Samuel have been excellent. As with any commentary set, there are always some better than others but I don’t see how any one could go wrong with these. They are easy to read and just enough technical details to perk up more interest.
It's worth knowing that Milgrom was a Conservative Jewish rabbi, and doesn't interpret the Old Testament christologically, or in the light of the NT.* He's not the only one, of course. Many of the Old Testament critical commentators take a similar stance. If the purpose of all of Scripture is to point to Jesus Christ, Milgrom (and other exegetes who take a similar stance) miss the main point — however good their exegesis and understanding of cultic background and so on. I'm not saying that it's therefore not useful at all — I own it, and use it — but it's worth knowing before purchase. * As a comparison, in Gordon Wenham's NICOT volume on Leviticus, 22% of references to other parts of the Bible are to the NT. In Milgrom's three volumes it's 0.6%.
Of course we should be aware that he reads Leviticus by way of his Jewish and Academic background. I probably should have mentioned it. And since that isn't how I read Leviticus, I will have a different perspective. In fact, as a Christian I cannot really remove my Christological glasses since this is how I have access to our Old Testament/their Hebrew Bible. And so, yes, I agree. I need more than what Milgrom offers. But not less.
I also like Milgrom but I dug this post out of the past of it helps you It's worth knowing that Milgrom was a Conservative Jewish rabbi, and doesn't interpret the Old Testament christologically, or in the light of the NT.* ... * As a comparison, in Gordon Wenham's NICOT volume on Leviticus, 22% of references to other parts of the Bible are to the NT. In Milgrom's three volumes it's 0.6%. It is from: https://community.logos.com/forums/t/178621.aspx
It's worth knowing that Milgrom was a Conservative Jewish rabbi, and doesn't interpret the Old Testament christologically, or in the light of the NT.* ... * As a comparison, in Gordon Wenham's NICOT volume on Leviticus, 22% of references to other parts of the Bible are to the NT. In Milgrom's three volumes it's 0.6%.
It's worth knowing that Milgrom was a Conservative Jewish rabbi, and doesn't interpret the Old Testament christologically, or in the light of the NT.* ...
I need more than what Milgrom offers. But not less.
Wow, so helpful! Thank you to everyone!
This book is in SDA Silver and Messianic Gold. It's also in Messianic Silver.
Thanks for pointing that out to me! The packages are arranged by price and the Logos 9 Messianic Silver is more expensive for me than Logos 8 Messianic Gold. That threw me off.
I look at the 16 or so approaches to Bible study covered in Pontifical Biblical Commission. The Interpretation of the Bible in the Church. Vatican City: Libreria Editrice Vaticana, 1993. and try to get commentaries (or monographs) to represent each approach.
Thanks for the tip! I found the book in my library: The Interpretation of the Bible in the Church | Logos Bible Software
Haven't read it yet, but looking at the headings it's a very thorough treatise on all the approaches: Historical-Critical, Rhetorical Analysis, Narrative Analysis, Semiotic Analysis, Canonical Approach, Jewish Traditions, Reception History (Wirkungsgeschichte), Sociological Approach, Cultural Anthropology Approach, Psychological and Psychoanalytical Approaches, Liberationist Approach, Feminist Approach and Fundamentalist Interpretation.
I consider it a hidden gem useful to a broad swath of denominations. As a Lutheran you will likely find it to be very familar; there are groups for which that is not true. You might find the commentary on the document of interest as well Williamson, Peter. Catholic Principles for Interpreting Scripture: A Study of the Pontifical Biblical Commission’s The Interpretation of the Bible in the Church. Vol. 22. Subsidia Biblica. Roma: Pontificio Istituto Biblico, 2001.
Williamson, Peter. Catholic Principles for Interpreting Scripture: A Study of the Pontifical Biblical Commission’s The Interpretation of the Bible in the Church. Vol. 22. Subsidia Biblica. Roma: Pontificio Istituto Biblico, 2001.
[<:o)] [:D] Your recommendations come very cheap. I own that, too! (One of the downsizes of owning a relatively big library: you don't know what's in it!) [:)]
If the purpose of all of Scripture is to point to Jesus Christ, Milgrom (and other exegetes who take a similar stance) miss the main point
I would hold that one step in understanding what Scripture means is to understand, to the degree possible, what it meant to the original audience. Understanding what it means when viewed through the cross (Alexander Schmemann's terminology) is a separate step.For that reason, I hold that Old Testament commentaries written by Jewish authors are invaluable in helping us make a distinction between the two steps.
Thank you MJ for the original suggestion and further information, and thank you Olli for the link. I should have followed up harder on the original tip, but SO much was posted the past couple days that I took some shortcuts.
The book is only $3.99. I put it in my wishlist.
