Clause search issue

I want to find all instances of Jesus being the subject of praying.

Performing a Clause search results in a nice list of hits, but it does not include a verse like Heb. 5:7 (see screenshot).

I understand why Heb. 5:7 is not included, since it does not use the verb pray, but the object 'prayers' / 'requests' (δεήσεις) with a verb of offering (προσενέγκας).

Questions:

How can we modify our Clause Search to include Heb. 5:7?
For example, I tried the query subject:jesus AND (verb:pray OR object:prayer) but that rendered no results at all (is that because the subject in Heb. 5:7 is a relative pronoun, which then should be tagged as Jesus, right?)

In general: the Clause Search searches the Greek / Hebrew source texts, but the lemma's we search for are in English. How does that work?

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Dave Hooton

I tried verb-lemma:προσφέρω person:Jesus --> verb for 'offered up'. Both are part of the same clause, and separately recognised, but it is a complex clause unlike other results in Hebrews, which are also given by verb-lemma:προσφέρω subject:jesus.

Kiyah

The question I've had about this exact same search a while back is why isn't Luke 3:21 included? I believe the answer that I got was that it's because "praying" is a participle in that clause and not a finite verb. But I still think it should be included in that search. It's kind of an important text to see Jesus praying at his baptism. But what do I know...

Kiyah

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1188560#Comment_1188560

I tried verb-lemma:προσφέρω person:Jesus --> verb for 'offered up'. Both are part of the same clause, and separately recognised, but it is a complex clause unlike other results in Hebrews, which are also given by verb-lemma:προσφέρω subject:jesus.

προσφέρω is also a participle and not the main verb in the clause so clause search won't find that one either.

I don't see a way to get Clause search to search for participles in a clause, it only searches for the main (finite) verb in a clause.

Michel Pauw

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1188569#Comment_1188569

I guess we should get used to combining different searches for the best results

Dave Hooton

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1188585#Comment_1188585

I guess we should get used to combining different searches for the best results

And your start should be a text Search like pray* <Person Jesus>

Kiyah

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1188585#Comment_1188585

I ran a Thematic Outline guide on Luke 3:21. It has a section on "The Prayers of Jesus Christ." All the data in Thematic Outlines comes from the Dictionary of Bible Themes.

Here's the link to the article: https://ref.ly/logosres/dicbblthemes?hw=Jesus+Christ%2c+prayers+of

The article includes both Luke 3:21 and Hebrews 5:7. You can send the verses to a Passage List from either the guide section or copy/paste them to/from the clipboard into the passage list from the dictionary itself.