Thompson Chain References and cross references

The Cross References databases do not use Thompson Chain resources. 

Yes - the Cross Reference section in the Passage Guide (for example) has two sections:

1. Links to two resources (The New Treasury of Scripture Knowlege, The Treasury of Scripture Knowledge)
2. Cross-references drawn from the Bibles we own

as Jack says, the Thompson Chain resource has not generally shipped yet. It would require work to integrate it into this section. Like Jack, I don't know if this is planned.

Things like the Cross Referencing not referencing WordSearch books that have been transitioned into Logos... makes me wonder what good some of the "referencing tools" are IF they do not reference WordSearch books.

I do understand that.

I looked into this a bit further, and there is one additional resource that does appear in the Cross Reference section - but only when looking at the Psalms. For a resource to appear here it needs to be of type Bible Cross-Reference Index

So I guess the question for Faithlife is whether they have any plans to configure the Thompson Chain Reference resource (or any other resources from WordSearch) as this type. And I have no idea what is actually involved in making that happen.

It might be a long time until Logos buys all the books.... that came from WordSearch...

And again I have no knowledge of what was involved in that process but I assumed that Faithlife obtained licences for all the WordSearch resources that they have been transferring across. If so, I wouldn't expect that would need to buy them.

Things like the Cross Referencing not referencing WordSearch books that have been transitioned into Logos

I have no way of checking this but you can. In the information panel, is there a cross-reference field?

Then if you find a cross-reference that does not show in the lower portion of the Cross-reference guide, report it. Kyle has only to set a flag to get it picked up in the guide. If there is a book that you think should have cross-references but does not have the cross-reference field, bring it to Kyle's attention and he will explain or take care of it. Let us know what you find -- I am curious as to whether this is a misunderstanding or an oversight.

Okay, it is appropriate to make a list of those resources and ask if they should have cross-references in Logos as they did in WordSearch. I have no idea what the response will be but it should clarify what Logos means by "cross-reference".

Hi MJ

Okay, it is appropriate to make a list of those resources and ask if they should have cross-references in Logos as they did in WordSearch.

Do you know what type of resources typically would have this search field? I had assumed it was mainly just Bibles, but I've just checked and see some monographs (don't know which) are included as well.

So I guess the question for Faithlife is whether they have any plans to configure the Thompson Chain Reference resource (or any other resources from WordSearch) as this type. And I have no idea what is actually involved in making that happen.

I doubt that will happen as Thompson is about topic based 'chains' of references which are not necessarily cross-references, which relate to the content/event. For example, look at passages used for Amalek:

• Gen 36:12  mentions Amalek
• Dt 25:17 and  Ex 17:8 cross-reference Amalek fighting against Israel
• 1 Sam 15:3 and 28:18 cross-reference the "fierce wrath" against Amalek but there are many other xref verses not mentioned by Thompson
• 2 Sam 1:1 and 1 Chron 4:43 relate to striking the remainder of the Amalekites and have a xref in 1 Sam 30:17-20 not mentioned by Thompson

It would be misleading to say that the other passages are cross references for Gen 36:12!

xnman,

I do believe there is a topics section in the Passage Guide that includes Nave's and other topical based books. I think that is where Thompson Chain should go. There is a difference between cross references and topical guides. Open the topic section of the PG and it will provide you the source of each topic. 

I hope this helps clarify.

my list:

my list:

my list is a bit larger, ten resources (and I don't own the Spanish one): 

Note that I received the three ESV/HCSB/NASB Xrefs for free in course of the Wordsearch transition - maybe there are more of those for other bible translations. This shows that FL really went out towards WS customers and provided resources for them to match the functionality they owned in that other software 

I think I've been wrong about all this. Sometimes my thinking get all twisted up in the webs of my mind, and believe me, there are a lot of webs!

The conclusion I've come to.... is to use a combination of guides and such to accomplish what I wanted to do. I wanted to build a listing of EVERYplace in my whole library... a result of the phrase or verse that I type in.  I know now that I was dreaming.

I appreciate all the suggestions..... You guys are great.... uh I think I'll keep you around. lol

xnman,

I think this is a good approach. You can always enter a verse or pericope in the search box and search everything, but the results may be like trying to drink from a firehose. It is easy to become overwhelmed with information. Your suggested targeted approach I think will provide you a more managed approach to your studies.