BUG: Earthly fathers tagged as God!
father INTERSECTS <Person God> (in the OT) has many results where the referent "father" is clearly not God.
Dave
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Are they all in the form of "God of your father" ...? These compounds often yield odd results because of overlapping coding.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Are they all in the form of "God of your father" ...? These compounds often yield odd results because of overlapping coding.
Yes. But not compound. In Gen 46.1, LHB tags both "father" and "Isaac" as person God. Also, "father" is tagged with both Isaac and Jacob!
In Gen 46.3 "father" is likewise tagged with all three persons. Ex 3.6 is similar with "father" whilst "Isaac" and "Jacob" are both tagged as God.
Dave
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Just looking at your Gen 46:3 example, I believe this is all correct.
I'm determining this based on the information in ESV's reverse interlinear and comparing with what's in LHB.
- The entire phrase translated as "the God of your Father" is a title for God. Therefore the entire phrase is tagged as God. Right clicking on a single word in that phrase correctly shows tags on the entire phrase that word is a part of.
- The Hebrew אָבִ֑יךָ in the LHB is split up in the ESV into multiple columns, from which I can see that the single word in the Hebrew is composed of יךָ (your) and אָבִ֑ (of father). Right clicking in the LHB shows "Jacob" for the "your" part of the word, and "Isaac" for "your father".
The other instances seem to show the same thing.
Andrew Batishko | Logos software developer
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Just looking at your Gen 46:3 example, I believe this is all correct.
In Gen 46.1 "Isaac" is tagged as God, when it only explains/clarifies "father", and I doubt the narrative supports "the God of his Father" as a title. Gen 46.3 may offer a stronger case whilst Ex 3.6 is much more a title for God.
As a whole, though, I don't think "father" should be tagged as God along with proper names invoked in a title. Gen 32.53 illustrates the issue wrt to the God of Nahor.
Dave
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In Genesis 46:1, God is referred to as "the God of his father Isaac". Therefore, that entire phrase is tagged as "God".
If you go to the Factbook page for "God" and look in the "Referred to As" section under "Translated As", and scroll far down, you will find this phrase as referenced in that verse.
Andrew Batishko | Logos software developer
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In Genesis 46:1, God is referred to as "the God of his father Isaac". Therefore, that entire phrase is tagged as "God".
If you go to the Factbook page for "God" and look in the "Referred to As" section under "Translated As", and scroll far down, you will find this phrase as referenced in that verse.
You offer a circular argument "referred to.. therefore tagged as.. because it is translated as". It is more true to say that "his father" refers to "Isaac" and not "God". In Jn 8.44 ("Your father the devil") "father" is clearly associated with Satan.
Dave
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Dave, it is coded both for "the God of his father Isaac" and for the overlapping "his father Isaac" This is consistent with how they handle similar situations not related to God. This is what I was trying to say above. I would not like to see this change as the current method is consistent.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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You offer a circular argument "referred to.. therefore tagged as.. because it is translated as". It is more true to say that "his father" refers to "Isaac" and not "God". In Jn 8.44 ("Your father the devil") "father" is clearly associated with Satan.
Apparently I'm not describing this clearly. I'm using "referred to" as a way to show exactly what has been tagged.
As MJ indicated, "the God of his father Isaac" is tagged as God. I'm assuming you don't object to that entire phrase being a reference to God, but please let me know if that's not true.
"his father Isaac" is tagged as Isaac. I'm also assuming you don't object to that entire phrase being a reference to Isaac.
The word "father" is in both phrases. If you right click on that, you will see both tags. Likewise for "Isaac". "his" is similar, but will also show Jacob, since that word is tagged as such.
Andrew Batishko | Logos software developer
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As MJ indicated, "the God of his father Isaac" is tagged as God. I'm assuming you don't object to that entire phrase being a reference to God, but please let me know if that's not true.
I read it as "the God of <his father Isaac>"; so I don't recognise the entire phrase as a reference to God. Ditto "the God of <David your father>".
But I'm probably on thin ground as I have recognised "Jesus of Nazareth" being tagged for Jesus, so I'll leave it at that (but I note that "Nazareth" is not tagged for the Place at Mk 16:6).
Dave
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(but I note that "Nazareth" is not tagged for the Place at Mk 16:6).
Thanks. I've passed that along. Looks like we usually tag that as Nazareth, but in Mk 16:6 we don't tag it, and in Mt 26:71 we tag it as Nazarenes.
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