The Concise Lexham Bible Dictionary. Is this resource available for purchase? If not why not? If so how do we get it? It is central to the links in the FSB.
I believe that it's in Logos 9 Basic, but the website is certainly unhelpful for making that determination.
It is central to the links in the FSB.
This seems very strange - as you say there are a lot of links to the Concise Dictionary there - which I would have expected to go directly to the Lexham Bible Dictionary.
Hopefully someone from Faithife will be able to comment further.
And I’ve just checked on the mobile Faithlife Study Bible app where the links are still pointed at the Lexham Bible Dictionary (not Concise)
This was last updated (on mobile) in 2020 whereas the desktop resource seems to have been updated much more recently - presumably introducing the Concise links.
This is the first I've heard of a "Concise" version, but accepting the perceived need for such a resource, perhaps it would be best if FL included links to both LBD & CLBD anytime having such a link is needed.
I have noticed in the past that when I have two commentaries on the same Bible book written by the same author, where one is more academically thorough and the other is more conversational, I prefer to study the former but prefer to quote from the latter. I assume there are somewhat similar aims for these two resources--one cuts to the chase and the other ruminates. I know that I find HALOT to be almost unbearable considering all the ivory tower bloat it lugs around. I consult it, but only on those occasions where my first 3-5 options don't provide satisfaction.
I’ve just checked on the mobile Faithlife Study Bible app where the links are still pointed at the Lexham Bible Dictionary (not Concise)
Either way, I insist that FL provide a reason for this situation and relief.
Barry, John D., David Bomar, Derek R. Brown, Rachel Klippenstein, Douglas Mangum, Carrie Sinclair Wolcott, Lazarus Wentz, Elliot Ritzema, and Wendy Widder, eds. The Concise Lexham Bible Dictionary. Bellingham, WA: Lexham Press, 2021.
Here is the resource in Question and I believe this resource came to me in the last purchase I made of the Lexham Press Master Bundle. But currently I cannot find it on the Logos website. Might try Lexham Press.
Here is the resource in Question and I believe this resource came to me in the last purchase I made of the Lexham Press Master Bundle. But currently I cannot find it on the Logos website. Might try Lexham Press.Thank you, Matt, for confirming that the unicorn exists. However, both titles you mention are no longer to be found in the current catalog. Relief from FL is called for. I'd like to purchase The Concise Lexham Bible Dictionary.
I have emailed customer service for more information because I cannot find it anywhere in Faithlife serviced websites.
One other thing I would do if I was you is post in the Lexham Press forum since they produce the book in question.
On my iPad, the link to Genesis below points to LBD whereas on the desktop it points to the Concise dictionary
Strangely, on my iPhone the same link points to the Concise dictionary!
I updated and it made no difference. I’m informed I don’t have the necessary resource. Very frustrating!
It looks like the Faithlife Study Bible was updated to refer to the Concise dictionary so if we don’t have that resource (as I don’t) the FSB links will no longer work.
On the Logos mobile app I have a version of the FSB that was updated in 2022 (this matches the desktop version as well)
However, on the Faithlife Study Bible app the FSB hasn’t been updated (for some reason) and the links - to LBD - still work (this was the app I was using for testing earlier).
So it looks as though an update to the FSB resource changed the links but the associated resource is not available to purchase.
This issue gives me dêja vu with respect to BAGD, but this is worse in that it involves an internal product, seesh!
Yes, irritating indeed. I repeat: it seems that the optimal choice is to provide two llnks where they are considered necessary--one each to both resources. That may not have been FL's original desire, but they opened the can of worms by producing the Concise resource, so this is just a case that they have to adjust to meet the expanded, in-house-created demand.
This issue gives me dêja vu with respect to BAGD, but this is worse in that it involves an internal product, seesh! Yes, irritating indeed. I repeat: it seems that the optimal choice is to provide two llnks where they are considered necessary--one each to both resources. That may not have been FL's original desire, but they opened the can of worms by producing the Concise resource, so this is just a case that they have to adjust to meet the expanded, in-house-created demand.
The Concise Lexham Bible Dictionary. Is this resource available for purchase? If not why not? If so how do we get it? It is central to the links in the FSB. There was an article or email a while back about this but I cannot seem to find it anywhere.
What’s the point of having a regular and concise edition?
I addressed this in one of my earlier posts. One would tend to be more comprehensive in its approach to addressing a subject, which often includes citations, backgrounds, etymologies, and the like (i.e. typically things of academic concern), while the other would pare down the discussion to "the answer", generally speaking, with less nuance. While I dislike the term (especially if Israel is supposed to be a kingdom of priests) and the usage and connotation it carries, a concise edition would be more "lay" friendly.
I believe that it's in Logos 9 Basic, but the website is certainly unhelpful for making that determination. Do you have this resource in your library?
I do. But the License is Permanent, so I guess it must not be from Logos 9 Basic or an equivalent after all. What it is from I do not remember.
I also own it. I got it for free Back in 2021. They must have offered it for free at some point. I wonder if they planned to start charging for the regular edition so they made a concise version to be the free replacement. Maybe that idea got canned.
I wonder if they planned to start charging for the regular edition so they made a concise version to be the free replacement.
That was part of my first thought: This might be an L10 strategy change and the FSB edition with the new links sneaked out the doggy door. Perhaps the LBD needs a revenue stream to support continuous development, so the Concise will fill the need for the Basic users. My theory isn't elaborate enough to address the academic citing issues, though.
Possibly related: I have had the habit of re-installing Logos Basic and Verbum Basic every few months, in case something I didn't have had sneaked into the packages. (In the past [maybe deep-dark], there had been some undocumented RIs, for example.) Now I see those are no longer $0.00, but 'You already own this product', and can't be 'repurchased'.
Jake - from Faithlife - has advised they are aware of this and will be addressing it - https://community.logos.com/forums/p/208143/1211945.aspx#1211945
If it's academically specious to redirect citations from the resource initially intended then it follows that placing the resource cited in a position to be discontinued degrades the resource containing those citations. Shame on you FL.
I don't know what happened with the links being re-directed to Concise LBD (as I wasn't involved with this change), but I agree that the dead links should be fixed. I believe someone is looking into it.
I'm replying as a contributor who wrote a huge chunk of the notes for FSB to address the assumption that these are citations. These links to LBD (or Concise LBD) are not citations. They are more like cross-references, links sometimes added after the fact when a topic mentioned in FSB was also covered by LBD (though this linking is not exhaustive). Some LBD articles that are linked were undoubtedly written after the FSB notes were written. They are pointing you somewhere that you could learn more about a topic, but the article you are being directed to has no necessary and direct connection to the content of the notes themselves. There was nothing "initially intended" by the link that is undermined by pointing to an abridged edition of LBD. Think of the links surrounding the notes to a verse or passage in FSB as akin to what you might find if you ran Passage Guide, Topic Guide, or Factbook on the passage or on key words from the notes.
First of all, thank you for your candor and for giving us perspective on this issue. You may correct me anywhere I stray from the facts. As an author of the FSB and an associate editor for the CLBD you are positioned in a favorable place to give an authoritative account on the way things stand.
That these links are not citations, but are more like cross-references, I will accept your view as stated. I'm glad you support that this matter needs careful consideration and I trust that the best decision will be made and this matter will be handled with the utmost of professionalism.
I hope I'm not over-stepping by asking that you stay attached to the decision making in this matter as your good name is prominently featured in these resources. Please insist that the outcome be something you are proud to be a part of. I thank you again for taking the time to respond to me publicly in the forums.
One would tend to be more comprehensive in its approach to addressing a subject, which often includes citations, backgrounds, etymologies, and the like (i.e. typically things of academic concern), while the other would pare down the discussion to "the answer", generally speaking, with less nuance
I agree with you.
BUT, these two resources do not always follow that helpful pattern.
This weekend I searched for Zachaeus. He appears in [the larger, "full" version] LBD.
BUT
He did not "make-the cut" and so is missing from the Concise version of the resource.
So, to be on-the-safe-side I guess one needs to check?
Thanks
I'm happy to report that it appears that the existing links previously to the Concise Lexham Bible Dictionary have been retired and updated to the Lexham Bible Dictionary. Thank you FL for handling this promptly and satisfactorily.
I'm happy to report that it appears that the existing links previously to the Concise Lexham Bible Dictionary have been retired and updated to the Lexham Bible Dictionary. Thank you FL for handling this promptly and satisfactorily. Yes but the link text needs updated as they still say CLBD
David, I don't know what your pointing out, please provide an example. Below is what I see on all the links I've checked in Mark and some of Luke:
I don't think any occur in the body of the text.
The links themselves though open the full LBD, so there is at least that.
Yea, I know this is an oldish thread, but...
I found where you can currently obtain this resource in Logos. https://www.logos.com/product/228483/verbum-10-full-feature-upgrade
The resource was priced as $0.00 and the whole upgrade cost (cheap enough) for me was mostly related to (Spanish) reverse interlinears so I grabbed it up.
I now have the Concise version in my library. (yippee me! [<:o)][|-)]
