Indexing Again?

[:O] if its gonna take a day (as it currently is, and do/redo stage 3/4 each time) its gonna be a real pain updating...

I have just added some new resources to my library...

1.  There is no indication in the current Beta how we will be able to install new resources into Logos 4.0 without first installing them into Logos 3.0. Any hints on what the future holds here.

2. After adding these books to Logos 3.0, it takes 10 minutes for the Logos 4.0 home page to open on both my notebook and netbook while the ominous "Preparing your library... This may take a very long time." message appears. I assume that part of this process involves transferring the resources to the Logos 4.0 directory - is this correct? Will the startup time be reduced when we can install these items directly into the Logos 4.0 directory?

3. Are updated resources downloaded at this time? I'm concerned about the downloading of resources without any indication.... As others have noted elsewhere, in Australia we have capped plans for internet access. I would much prefer that all downloads occurred during off-peak (this is how I have set up every other program). 

4. Re-indexing then begins. The whole idea of pausing reindexing seems pointless given that the Logos 4.0 indexing program seems to consume an inordinate amount of memory whether it is indexing or not.

5. I'm glad that I'm able to use the old index file and have access to my new files when the program eventually starts. It appears that they can be instantly prioritised and are then accessible from the right-click context menu for both words and bible references.

6. Indexing it all from scratch for a day and a half everytime I add a resource is motivation to purchase nothing. Is it not possible to allow manual indexing so that we have a choice whether to index the library or not. That way, I could index my library after adding the much awaited NICOT in mid october but not after adding one small book.

7. Will we be forced to index after every updated resource - the swedish bibles for Logos 4.0? Will this be forced on us.... even for minor updates....

I agree to user control. There are times I am sitting at Barnes & Noble having my green tea. I set up my laptop and logon to the web via my tethered cell phone to check emails and fire up Logos for sermon writing, study and lesson preps .... i don't want usage charges for large downloads or downloads automatically starting up or even auto syncing while using my phone as modem.

Please address this... guess i will only use 3.0 while at barnes & noble and tethered

Jim

With logos (v4) shutdown, the program was still indexing as indicated with the logos icon in the notification tray (lower right).  A right mouse click on the icon gave me the option to pause the indexing for four hours.  After pausing, my computer regained it's normal speed.  I can live with this feature - as long as I can have control over when the indexing occurs.

I really have to say that I don't know what all this fuss about indexing is all about.  Yes it does slow things down a little but things hardly grind to a halt as some are implying.  There was an update this morning that took only a few minutes to load and now it's indexing the entire library of over 4000 resources again.  The program is still usable, albeit a little slower (searches are perhaps 5 seconds compared to 3 normally, but searches are still way,  way faster than in Logos 3.  And while other programs are a little slower, they are still far better than some computers I've used in the past.

Overnight, my netbook finally completed re-indexing my library. All up it took 19hrs 23mins - of which 15.5hrs was indexing and the rest the final compacting of the index. While this was happening, the only program that was running was an occasional use of notepad, so as to read the indexing log. I notd that many of the original language items (dictionaries, etc.) took much more time as do large technical commentaries (of which I have most).

Issues:

1. Strangely, on my netbook, it would go for great lengths of time without changing the indexing count. This does not occur on my notebook. This gives the semblance that the program has "hung" - when in fact it is churning away in the background, indexing hundreds of books.
2. The final message related to the time that the computer is compacting the index ought be changed. Currently it reads "Logos Bible Software is indexing your library". This confused me the first couple of times that my netbook ran the indexing process - as it is the same message as at the start. Perhaps: "Your index is being compacted. Please be very very very patient"

Sadly, my notebook did not have the same success with indexing. Microsoft forced an update overnight which cause a restart of my computer. I have my notebook set to automatically install windows updates. My guess is that this occurred towards the very end of the indexing or during the compacting of the index.

Result: it's all starting up again....... Aaaarggh!

As far as indexing, what happens with the laptop I use with v.3 on it that I never take online because I have not set it up to go online but use a memory stick to update it with licenses and new resources.  Will it index without being online?  But, I do not intend to beta test with that computer just wondering about its future or not.  (I still haven't received my v.4 dvd.  )

DamianMcGrath said:

What surprises me is that the indexer does not pick up where it left off. 

Yes, it should be done something about whole thing of indexing. Like Google Desktop Search. It just index whenever your computer is available. If you shut down... next time it continues.

Alex Scott said:

I really have to say that I don't know what all this fuss about indexing is all about.  Yes it does slow things down a little but things hardly grind to a halt as some are implying.  There was an update this morning that took only a few minutes to load and now it's indexing the entire library of over 4000 resources again.  The program is still usable, albeit a little slower (searches are perhaps 5 seconds compared to 3 normally, but searches are still way,  way faster than in Logos 3.  And while other programs are a little slower, they are still far better than some computers I've used in the past.

For me, and I think for some others its no so much about grinding to a halt but control over when it happens , and in terms of indexing the overall length of time it takes to complete.

I am a one computer person so computing in the cloud is not something relevant to me my data is firmly on my desktop, but for someone who is in the cloud for instance, on the road with a netbook say, they may not want a large download to kick off automatically,  due to the cost.  Others may have plans with off-peak times that allow them to download more during that time or at cheaper cost.  For me I am not only a one computer person but a one computer household.  It is difficult to say to the other household members sorry but your off the computer for the next 36 hours or longer until I finish doing something (but I can't tell you what or why during the beta phase) so your going to have to wait to check your e-mails..... I am sure others can come up with other scenarios... and bottom line is Logos may develop with certain specs in mind but we can't all actually afford to keep up to those specs, particularly outside US (and I am not suggesting they drop their game to the LCD -that would be silly to do so)

Another point is Windows Updates and forced restarts...we are told Logos 4 is being developed with the lower end user in mind rather than the power user - fair enough as long as the power user does not have their hands tied behind their backs. Now the lower end user in paricular is going to have things like automatic updates setup and may not know how to tinker with this and be savvy enough to see Logos is indexing so it would be a good move to turn off automatic updates until indexing completes - the result could be a forced restart that at the moment seem to cause re-indexign to start all over again.

I had an update when I started up my laptop today.  The installation and indexing of the entire 4524 resource llibrary took less than 8 hours during which time I was able to use the program (except perhaps for the first few minutes while it downloaded the update), as well as my other programs.  While they were slightly slower than usual, it was hardly enough to notice this time.  In other words, the update and reindexing took place in a time frame that could be completed overnight if necessary.  For the price of searches that for the most past take only a few seconds, I think it's well worth it, for me at least.

For me I never really had thought search speed was that big an issue in 3.0 so am not go WOW when it comes to search speed in 4.0, particular when indexing is put into the equation.  I guess we each just value different things and that does make any position any more right than the next.  Utimately Logos has to make a business deciison and run with that.  I'm not going not use 4.0 because of indexing but I hope there is a lot of optimization to come before the final release.