Why doesn't Verbum have 'Learn more about it' Links on Resources Panels???

Kiyah
Kiyah Member Posts: 2,804 ✭✭✭✭
edited November 21 in English Forum

This is probably an old question, but why doesn't Verbum have the "Learn more about it" links to product description pages on the back of the resource panel like Logos does?

This is literally the only reason why I don't use Verbum instead of Logos, because I use those links a lot to jump to the product description in the store and it annoys me that Verbum doesn't have them.

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  • DMB
    DMB Member Posts: 3,087

    I'd bet you guessed the answer (but are being nice). Do they know where the resource is, relative to software version? Going back to Noet, eBooks, etc

  • SineNomine
    SineNomine Member Posts: 7,043

    why doesn't Verbum have the "Learn more about it" links to product description pages on the back of the resource panel like Logos does?

    & When will they be added?

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  • Kiyah
    Kiyah Member Posts: 2,804 ✭✭✭✭

    why doesn't Verbum have the "Learn more about it" links to product description pages on the back of the resource panel like Logos does?

    & When will they be added?

    Correct.

  • Kiyah
    Kiyah Member Posts: 2,804 ✭✭✭✭

    I'd bet you guessed the answer (but are being nice). Do they know where the resource is, relative to software version? Going back to Noet, eBooks, etc

    I actually don't know why they wouldn't be there. I see no GOOD reason anyway.

  • MJ. Smith
    MJ. Smith MVP Posts: 53,121

    why doesn't Verbum have the "Learn more about it" links to product description pages on the back of the resource panel like Logos does?

    For the same reason there are no help note cards which pull from Help. For the same reason that the liturgical calendar datatypes are a big mess. For the same reason that the Liturgy section of the Passage Guide is not presented in a logical order. For the same reason that studying multiple passages together is not supported. For the same reason that only a few methods of Bible criticism are supported. Faithlife is primarily an American evangelical oriented company in terms of its expertise and base market. They believe, rightly in some cases, that Catholics would be as incensed at being directed to a Protestant storefront as some of their base are at the use of the "Catholic" canon. (If you've been around long enough to remember that forum row.) As of now, the finances of the company have not been such as to require that the mainline Protestants, Catholics, and Orthodox get equal service. We, as users, need to either be far more ecumenical in our thinking (suggestions, requests), always considering the broader church or we need to gain financial influence ... get more of our friends using Logos.

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  • Kiyah
    Kiyah Member Posts: 2,804 ✭✭✭✭

    For the same reason there are no help note cards which pull from Help. For the same reason that the liturgical calendar datatypes are a big mess. For the same reason that the Liturgy section of the Passage Guide is not presented in a logical order. For the same reason that studying multiple passages together is not supported. For the same reason that only a few methods of Bible criticism are supported. Faithlife is primarily an American evangelical oriented company in terms of its expertise and base market. They believe, rightly in some cases, that Catholics would be as incensed at being directed to a Protestant storefront as some of their base are at the use of the "Catholic" canon. (If you've been around long enough to remember that forum row.) As of now, the finances of the company have not been such as to require that the mainline Protestants, Catholics, and Orthodox get equal service. We, as users, need to either be far more ecumenical in our thinking (suggestions, requests), always considering the broader church or we need to gain financial influence ... get more of our friends using Logos.

    As I said...no GOOD reason. You can find any book that Faithlife sells in the Verbum store by simply changing the logos.com part of the web address to verbum.com (I do this all the time in reverse).

    These are certainly not Catholic resources but the web addresses work (so of course all the Catholic items would work): 

    Why can't Faithlife just use some type of automated process (a glorified find/replace of sorts) to copy all the data over from Logos and change all the web addresses to say verbum.com instead of logos.com? You should be able to view any resource you own on the Verbum site, even if Verbum doesn't officially list/promote that item in its store. Am I wrong here?

  • MJ. Smith
    MJ. Smith MVP Posts: 53,121

    Am I wrong here?

    I am in the delightful position of not having enough information or enough business knowledge to know the answer. From a system maintenance (IT) view, I think it is a mistake to have duplicate sets of code to support the two brand names. I believe there should be one set of code that controls Verbum/Logos behavior through switches. I would also save money by having a single storefront with two outward faces controlled by style sheets.

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  • Kiyah
    Kiyah Member Posts: 2,804 ✭✭✭✭

    Am I wrong here?

    I am in the delightful position of not having enough information or enough business knowledge to know the answer. From a system maintenance (IT) view, I think it is a mistake to have duplicate sets of code to support the two brand names. I believe there should be one set of code that controls Verbum/Logos behavior through switches. I would also save money by having a single storefront with two outward faces controlled by style sheets.

    Agreed. I was just typing a similar idea in an edit, albeit not as concise. lol

  • Kiyah
    Kiyah Member Posts: 2,804 ✭✭✭✭

    We, as users, need to either be far more ecumenical in our thinking (suggestions, requests), always considering the broader church or we need to gain financial influence ... get more of our friends using Logos.

    This sounds like we're doing FL's job for them. Why doesn't Faithlife get those customers themselves? I don't work for Faithlife. Why even bother to sell a separate product for Catholics that you then turn around and completely shortchange? And if your mission is to "use technology to equip the church to grow in the light of the bible" and to "increase biblical literacy around the world", isn't that the whole Church? And if most Christians in the world are not American evangelicals, why wouldn't you begin to move in a direction of making your products more ecumenical in their design? Why aren't you trying to grow your customer base for a sustainable future? Focusing only on American evangelicals, or American anything for that matter, is not sustainable.

  • David Wanat
    David Wanat Member Posts: 1,828 ✭✭✭

    Faithlife is primarily an American evangelical oriented company in terms of its expertise and base market. They believe, rightly in some cases, that Catholics would be as incensed at being directed to a Protestant storefront as some of their base are at the use of the "Catholic" canon. (If you've been around long enough to remember that forum row.) As of now, the finances of the company have not been such as to require that the mainline Protestants, Catholics, and Orthodox get equal service. 

    I do recall the old Libronix days when some flagrantly anti-Catholic resources showed up in suggested resources. Compared to then, FL has greatly improved. That doesn't mean "perfect" of course. But there's always some nuance that can be missed by someone coming from outside of a group.

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