Reverse Interlinear in NIV

Dale Garman
Dale Garman Member Posts: 87
edited November 21 in English Forum

In the ESV version, the reverse linear seems to have 3 lines of info, but the NIV has 8 lines.  Is there a way to turn off some of these lines as it takes up too much screen room for data I'm not interested in?

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  • Graham Criddle
    Graham Criddle MVP Posts: 32,470

    Is there a way to turn off some of these lines

    For the inline interlinear, you can select the lines you want shown from the dropdown menu

    For the ribbon, you can right-click the line titles and select the ones you want

  • Dale Garman
    Dale Garman Member Posts: 87

    I had already looked at this dropdown.  It changes the inline interlinear, but there is nothing like this for reverse interlinear.  When you check the reverse interlinear there are no additional check boxes.

  • NB.Mick
    NB.Mick MVP Posts: 15,870

    I had already looked at this dropdown.  It changes the inline interlinear, but there is nothing like this for reverse interlinear.  When you check the reverse interlinear there are no additional check boxes.

    I think you want to change the reverse interlinear ribbon: Right click the row indicator at the left, then you can select the rows to be displayed 

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  • xnman
    xnman Member Posts: 2,780 ✭✭✭

    I had already looked at this dropdown.  It changes the inline interlinear, but there is nothing like this for reverse interlinear.  When you check the reverse interlinear there are no additional check boxes.

    There is a bit of mis-information. If you notice the Omega (icon for Greek Hebrew) [1] drop down menu... the first line [2] to be checked is for "INLINE REVERSE INTERLINEAR"  it is NOT for an interlinear.  Which tells me... I can show the Reverse Interlinear 2 ways... inline and if I check the last line [3] on the drop down... I can display the Reverse Interlinear at the bottom of the page.... or both. 

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  • MJ. Smith
    MJ. Smith MVP Posts: 53,121

    The resource chosen determines the type of interlinear. While there are other options, the primary choices are:

    • On an original language resource: Interlinear with a reader's edition alternative view
    • On a translated resource: Reverse interlinear with an alternative pane/ribbon view

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  • Dale Garman
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  • xnman
    xnman Member Posts: 2,780 ✭✭✭

    I've been thinking about this "interlinear" and "reverse interlinear" and I've analyzed myself into confusion....

    Because... In Logos.com... all the interlinears and reverse interlinears (for the most part) are show as separate resources.... which means I should be able to choose one of them and show it in a tabbed or floating window..... This I could do in WordSearch.... But... since FL has combined them with other resources..  and since I cannot choose which resource I want to use with my Bible...then it give me the thinking??  that I'm loosing resources some how...

    Where's my thinking wrong? 

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  • MJ. Smith
    MJ. Smith MVP Posts: 53,121

    The number of different ways a resource is accessed or displayed is not a measure of the number of resources. The NABRE NT reverse interlinear is a single resource even though it can be displayed in at least two different ways.

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  • Graham Criddle
    Graham Criddle MVP Posts: 32,470

    all the interlinears and reverse interlinears (for the most part) are show as separate resources

    Yes

    which means I should be able to choose one of them and show it in a tabbed or floating window.

    No!

    What you say is true for interlinear products. They are standalone resources and can be shown in tabs or floating windows.

    But a reverse-interlinear is specific to a particular translation and so appears only within a panel containing that resource.

    .then it give me the thinking??  that I'm loosing resources some how...

    I don't see that's the case.

    If you buy an interlinear then it is a resource that appears in your library and can be opened like other resources.

    If you buy a reverse-interlinear, it does not show as a separate product in your Library - but can be accessed within the associated translation or can be used within a search of that resource.

    Does that help at all?

  • xnman
    xnman Member Posts: 2,780 ✭✭✭

    Does that help at all?

    Yes, I understand.  My Reverse Interlinear that I had in WordSearch and could open in a separate tab... is now "mushed" into my Bible....

    Thanks.

    xn = Christan  man=man -- Acts 11:26 "....and the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch".

    Barney Fife is my hero! He only uses an abacus with 14 rows!

  • Graham Criddle
    Graham Criddle MVP Posts: 32,470

    My Reverse Interlinear that I had in WordSearch and could open in a separate tab... is now "mushed" into my Bible....

    I don't know anything about what was involved in transferring Reverse Interlinears from Wordsearch to Logos but I expect the RI you access in Bibles in Logos are the "standard" Logos ones as opposed to one transferred from Wordsearch.

    And I'm intrigued - was there particular value in having the RI separate? Having always had them integrated, I find that useful as it enables tight linkage between them.

  • xnman
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    I don't know anything about what was involved in transferring Reverse Interlinears from Wordsearch to Logos but I expect the RI you access in Bibles in Logos are the "standard" Logos ones as opposed to one transferred from Wordsearch.

    And I'm intrigued - was there particular value in having the RI separate? Having always had them integrated, I find that useful as it enables tight linkage between them.

    Just the idea of working one way and that becominng your standard. It was the standard I had in WordSearch... 

    xn = Christan  man=man -- Acts 11:26 "....and the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch".

    Barney Fife is my hero! He only uses an abacus with 14 rows!

  • Graham Criddle
    Graham Criddle MVP Posts: 32,470

    Just the idea of working one way and that becominng your standard. It was the standard I had in WordSearch... 

    Fair enough - I get that, thanks

  • David Thomas
    David Thomas Member Posts: 3,246 ✭✭✭

    Just the idea of working one way and that becominng your standard.

    Have you considered opening the "INFO" panel? It is not in the panel with your English Bible; but displays Definitions, Translations, and Word Information like Morphology and Strong's numbers.

    Expanding the "other references" is like an RI on steroids because you can see syntactical force and grammatical use as well.

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  • xnman
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    David Thomas --- Thanks for pointing that out!  I love it! I had not thought of that... Thanks again!

    Edit: And you are right... RI on steroids!!  I'll use it a lot!!  Love it!

    xn = Christan  man=man -- Acts 11:26 "....and the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch".

    Barney Fife is my hero! He only uses an abacus with 14 rows!

  • David Thomas
    David Thomas Member Posts: 3,246 ✭✭✭

    RI on steroids!!  I'll use it a lot!!  Love it!

    I set the option for "update on CLICK" because there is SO MUCH info in the Info panel that it makes reading the Bible glitchy if it is set on "hover" because every time you hover over a new word, the info panel updates. Therefore "Click" is convenient but smoother.

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  • xnman
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    Another good tip!  Thanks David!

    Know any good tips to turn Factbook off?   I find it annoying at the least!

    xn = Christan  man=man -- Acts 11:26 "....and the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch".

    Barney Fife is my hero! He only uses an abacus with 14 rows!

  • JT (alabama24)
    JT (alabama24) MVP Posts: 36,488

    Know any good tips to turn Factbook off?

    Do you mean in a resource such as a bible? You can turn it off by either 1) clicking the icon or 2) clicking the down arrow to give you options (include 
    "do not show in any resource"). 

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  • David Thomas
    David Thomas Member Posts: 3,246 ✭✭✭

    Know any good tips to turn Factbook off? 

    Click on the options in "other references" and you can select which other references interest you.

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  • xnman
    xnman Member Posts: 2,780 ✭✭✭

    And I promptly turned that annoying Factbook  off in the Information Panel.. 

    Big thanks for that!

    xn = Christan  man=man -- Acts 11:26 "....and the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch".

    Barney Fife is my hero! He only uses an abacus with 14 rows!