Does Logos purposefully slow down older versions?
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JT
Thanks for the response. Is there anywhere that Logos makes this explanation public?
Reason, is that over the years I have upgraded and added books, and would like to hope that users don't have to be obligated to upgrade if they choose, and keep the same level of experience.
Thanks
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Is there anywhere that Logos makes this explanation public?
Only in the sense that they announce when they stop supporting an older version of the program i.e. will no longer patch it when operating system updates "break it."
Reason, is that over the years I have upgraded and added books, and would like to hope that users don't have to be obligated to upgrade if they choose, and keep the same level of experience.
Considering that there always is a free upgrade which generally improves the experience, I'm not sure what your question is. There are people who have run old versions (without upgrading the operating system if necessary) for more than a decade - think Libronix (L3) fans.
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Does Logos purposefully slow down older versions?
No.
Older versions of the software are retired, become unsupported and degrade as supporting software/services make it more and more difficult to run e.g. new resources require an upgrade, FL retire support services, or you can't login because FL have upgraded security requirements that affects unsupported versions.
Thanks for the response. Is there anywhere that Logos makes this explanation public?
FL maintain a Support Lifecycle document and provide announcements in the forums about matters that affect the product e.g. when an OS will no longer be supported, or when FL will no longer support an OS (usually because of the proliferation of newer versions that they are committed to be compatible with).
So there are fairly direct reasons that will cause users to upgrade their version of Logos/Verbum and/or their OS and/or their hardware.
Current and older versions will generally slow down because of added resources and the ability of the hardware to maintain a consistent performance as free space on hard drives is consumed (less noticeable on NVMe SSD's, but still a factor) and users employ quantitatively more of some features e.g. Visual Filters. These are raised and discussed on the Forums so that users can make an informed decision.
In addition, Faithlife provide recommended hardware/software requirements as a guide to users.
Dave
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Hi JT,
Libronix doesn't require the upgrades, correct?
So now, with Logos 10, I have a decision to upgrade or not, and it means continual expenses, right? Unless I opt for the free upgrade, but Logos 10 does not yet have that. Does the free upgrade also include the free upgrade to the speed level of Logos 10?
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Does the free upgrade also include the free upgrade to the speed level of Logos 10?
The free upgrade is the same application engine as the purchased feature level engines. Logos 10 is Logos 10 whether basic, bronze, silver, or full. I'm not sure why you are asking and so I suspect I am missing something in your concern and my answer. Libronix has not had support or updates for over a decade and will not run on most modern machines for most users. "Continual expenses"? I don't know what you mean -- one can currently expect a new free update every two years although that may change. If you wish to pay for features or resources, that is a personal choice.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Hi MJ,
So I think you addressed my main question in your statement, "The free upgrade is the same application engine as the purchased feature level engines. Logos 10 is Logos 10 whether basic, bronze, silver, or full."
Continual expenses in my assertion here is a broader picture of what it takes to run Logos, if one takes the step to buy the product. Last year I spent $3600 on a computer so that it can run Logos in a quality way. That means I spent as much on technology to run Logos, as much as I have put into Logos software. That's what I meant. But as explained, I think you answered my question, and I will ask Logos about that. I tried to ask Logos this, but they asked if I would post my questions on the forum.
Thanks
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Libronix doesn't require the upgrades, correct?
Absolutely correct. Of course, Libby (fond name for Libronix) can't be upgraded either. But snappy, and crispy fonts.
But regarding your question, I 'sat' on Logos7 running on Windows 7, for many years. I had (and still have) a very large layout (> 100 resources). And it moved along, all those years. When I switched to a Mac M1 and Logos 9, I didn't seeing any apparently improvement. FL did a great job.
Of course, with Logos 10, it passed poor Libby on speed (and bugs). Of course, it took Logos maybe 13 years to do it, too.
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Last year I spent $3600 on a computer so that it can run Logos in a quality way.
It's just my opinion, but I think you might have spent $600 on a computer and $3,000 on Logos and been ahead.
Use these forums. There is a lot of experience represented here.0 -
I will ask Logos about that.
As a clarification, Logos is a product line; Faithlife is the company that sells it.
“The trouble is that everyone talks about reforming others and no one thinks about reforming himself.” St. Peter of Alcántara
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I have a decision to upgrade or not, and it means continual expenses, right?
I think your question was mostly answered, but for clarification:
There are different models of software development. Some software you buy, it's yours, and the company stops development of that version. You don't have to buy anything else, but at some point you will have a device which won't run the software.
Another model is subscription. You don't own it. It is cheaper to start with, but once you stop paying, you cease to have access.
Logos is run on a different model. The software engine, which allows you to access your resources, is free. As long as this model persists at FL, you will be able to access your resources on technology not even dreamed about today. I can testify to this: When I first purchased Logos, the iPhone had not been created, let alone the iPad.
So what are people paying for when they update to L10? Well, they are buying 1) Libraries (new resources) and/or 2) Features. The sale of these things helps to support the continued development of the software. Hopefully that doesnt happen anytime soon.
Logos continues to support old versions of the software for a time, but users are encouraged and expected to update their software from time to time. The engine is always free, but when FL comes out with "major" new releases (i.e. L10), the new engine is made availble first to those paying. Again, it keeps FL in business.
You will be able to update to the L10 engine sometime in the spring if you don't want to make another purchase. Until then, L9 updates will continue (many (but not all) of which are part of the same code as L10). If you do update to L10 in the spring without a purchase, you will get <some> new features, and you will still have most of your old features (sometimes features morph and change and die out).
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