SUGGESTION: Allow Multiple Application Instances

Many programs allow you to open multiple instances of the application at the same time. You generally do this by right-clicking on the application in the taskbar.

This would be a very useful feature.

I know there is the option to open a floating tab. However, the floating tab doesn't have the menu bar with the go box. Additionally, every time you open a tab from the floating window, it opens in the primary application window rather than the floating window.

It would be much better to allow multiple application instances in addition to the normal floating window functionality. Within each application instance, everything would work as it currently does.

For example, I might be working on two or three different projects for school at the same time. I could have two or three instances of Logos with a different workspace for each project. Whenever I opened a link, it would open in the window I am currently using, rather than me having to go find it and drag it back to the window I was using.

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MJ. Smith

I do this frequently by having both Logos (beta) and Verbum (gold) open at the same time. As they have separate storage of resources, they don't interfere with each other. I can also use the web as a third occurrence for some features.

Yes, my solution is NOT optimal ... just letting you know there is an option.

Robert Kelbe

If there are challenges from two instances sharing the same storage, the same behavior could easily by recreated within one instance of Logos by:

First, allowing multiple windows to have to GO bar. Opening up Logos a second time could simply open a new window with a GO bar. Choosing to open a tab in a floating window would continue to open a window without a GO bar.
Second, and this would be VERY helpful, refining the logic of where new tabs are opened. New tabs should always be opened in the active window (i.e., the window where you clicked the link to open a new tab). Right now the new tab is opened in the base Logos window (the one with the GO bar, rather than the floating window I had open). When this happens, the base Logos window becomes the active window and hides the window I was previously looking at when I clicked on the link. The normal Logos behavior should apply to each individual window.

DMB

refining the logic of where new tabs are opened. New tabs should always be opened in the active window (i.e., the window where you clicked the link to open a new tab)

I think you'd get some discussion on this one. I use the initial window for all searches (currently, they automatically line up in a panel) ... with resources in subsequent windows. I agree, the present logic is hit or miss.

Simon’s Brother

If there are challenges from two instances sharing the same storage, the same behavior could easily by recreated within one instance of Logos by:

First, allowing multiple windows to have to GO bar. Opening up Logos a second time could simply open a new window with a GO bar. Choosing to open a tab in a floating window would continue to open a window without a GO bar.

Second, and this would be VERY helpful, refining the logic of where new tabs are opened. New tabs should always be opened in the active window (i.e., the window where you clicked the link to open a new tab). Right now the new tab is opened in the base Logos window (the one with the GO bar, rather than the floating window I had open). When this happens, the base Logos window becomes the active window and hides the window I was previously looking at when I clicked on the link. The normal Logos behavior should apply to each individual window.

No thanks on the first suggestion. I use floating windows amongst other things to get screen space back. I don’t want a menu at the top taking it away.

Yes on the second suggestion. A floating window is a workspace within a workspace so resource tabs should open in that window. Taking is a step further we should have the option of creating window sets where two or more ’linked’ floating windows act together as a group.

Robert Kelbe

If there are challenges from two instances sharing the same storage, the same behavior could easily by recreated within one instance of Logos by:

First, allowing multiple windows to have to GO bar. Opening up Logos a second time could simply open a new window with a GO bar. Choosing to open a tab in a floating window would continue to open a window without a GO bar.

Second, and this would be VERY helpful, refining the logic of where new tabs are opened. New tabs should always be opened in the active window (i.e., the window where you clicked the link to open a new tab). Right now the new tab is opened in the base Logos window (the one with the GO bar, rather than the floating window I had open). When this happens, the base Logos window becomes the active window and hides the window I was previously looking at when I clicked on the link. The normal Logos behavior should apply to each individual window.

No thanks on the first suggestion. I use floating windows amongst other things to get screen space back. I don’t want a menu at the top taking it away.

Yes on the second suggestion. A floating window is a workspace within a workspace so resource tabs should open in that window. Taking is a step further we should have the option of creating window sets where two or more ’linked’ floating windows act together as a group.

I agree that the second bullet point would be more important than the first.

Regarding the first bullet point, you would still have the option to have the GO bar or not. Personally, I think it is nice to have the option to have the Library dropdown, for example.

Stephen Jones

You brought this up as an issue three years ago. I often wondered the same thing but for different reasons. Do you know if Logos has addressed this yet, because I still see the same floating window I've seen for a decade.

xnman

I use the floating window a lot. I would love to be able to have a 2nd instance of Logos running... or to have full menu bar in floating window...

Thanks for suggesting it.

Edil

MJ Can you please elaborate on how you do that with Logos and Verbum?

I want to open at least two instances, one instance with the interface in spanish, and the other instance with the interface in english, but found that I can't do it, as it has been reported in this post.

Since I've been using the software since it was Libronix, I just made the upgrade to "Funciones Bilingual 10", and then bought "Verbum 10 (Español) - Conjunto completo de funcionalidades", because it was a better way for me to obtain all the spanish datasets that were not included in "Funciones Biligual 10". I verified my account and I can download Verbum but I haven't installed it because I just want to use Logos.

So far I have to constantly change the language in settings, restart, and repeat. Or if you know of any other way to accomplish the same thing please let me know.

MJ. Smith

Sorry, I don't use any language setting other than English. I would have to try setting Logos to English and Verbum to Spanish, open them both, and see if they interfered with each other.

NB.Mick

I verified my account and I can download Verbum but I haven't installed it because I just want to use Logos.

So far I have to constantly change the language in settings, restart, and repeat. Or if you know of any other way to accomplish the same thing please let me know.

Well, that's your decision to make (and it may have to do with how many GB free space are on your SSD etc.pp.) - I can confirm that Logos and Verbum can be run side by side, and thus allow for beta and stable running concurrently, and that of course one can run in English and one in another UI language and the two won't interfere.

I personally have a shortcut menu where I have the commands ready at hand to switch UI language to English and to German (just lazyness, I could easily type set uilang to en etc, but as you said, it requires a restart of Logos/Verbum to switch. Thus it's more convenient to have the two running in two different UI languages.

I sometimes forget which UI language I'm in (thankfully, English language commands most often work in German UI as well for me), but that's okay. The only relevant change to my way of working when running two instances of Logos/Verbum is that I had to train myself to upload Personal Books when I build them, so the are available in both platforms. Everything else will sync automatically (assuming not running offline).

Edil

Well, that's your decision to make (and it may have to do with how many GB free space are on your SSD etc.pp.)

Now we are reaching the crux of the matter. I should care about how many GB I have free because everything is going to get duplicated, Is that the main concern?

This is getting out of topic but oh well...

If that's the case, I have a small library, Logos is occupying 40.1 GB in total. Resources are taking 27.1 GB out of those and indexing takes 9.1 GB. I assume the rest to be the binaries, etc., just 3.9 GB. So, what's going to get duplicated, everything or just the 3.9 GB of the binaries, .dlls and stuff like that?

NB.Mick

Well, that's your decision to make (and it may have to do with how many GB free space are on your SSD etc.pp.)

Now we are reaching the crux of the matter. I should care about how many GB I have free because everything is going to get duplicated, Is that the main concern? This is getting out of topic but oh well... If that's the case, I have a small library, Logos is occupying 40.1 GB in total. Resources are taking 27.1 GB out of those and indexing takes 9.1 GB. I assume the rest to be the binaries, etc., just 3.9 GB. So, what's going to get duplicated, everything or just the 3.9 GB of the binaries, .dlls and stuff like that?

In my installation, everything gets duplicated. There may be a chance to share the resource folder between such instances, but I have never done so (rather running the second instance on an external, NTFS-formatted SSD connected via USB) and don't know the specifics.

Edil

In my installation, everything gets duplicated.

MJ, NB Thanks!

Ok so I finally installed Verbum next to Logos and so far so good. I also took a radical step. In order to minimize the duplicate resources, and since my intention is to use one exclusively in spanish and the other in english, I removed all english resources from one and the same with the other but with the spanish resources. Greek and Hebrew resources had to be left on both though, so those are duplicated. I'm now re-indexing to reduce space a little bit more.

I noticed that there are things that didn't quite work because there are no resources in that particular language to provide any information, but I'm fine with that. That's what I was looking for and I can always check the same passage or whatever in the other language.

So I'm going to continue using it like this. NB, MJ, and the others, Do you have any other comment or any problem or issue that you can foresee using this setup? I don't know something that is not going to work properly or something.

MJ. Smith

Unfortunately, I recall running into a problem with two installations in beta testing but I don't remember what it was ... I've run the dual systems for years and hadn't noticed the problem.

Edil

Oh boy this is getting very interesting.

Ok so after removing english resources from one side, the spanish resources from the other side and rebuilding the indexes on both, I ended up using almost the same storage space that I was using when I only have a single instance of Logos installed on the computer.

I found two issues and the solutions. First the layout. If in your settings you have "At Startup Open to", set to, "most recent layout-any", after closing and reopening both programs, the layout in one of them is going to be change to the layout of the program that was closed last. The solution was to change the setting to "Most recent layout-local" on both. Second issue is with new resources. Since I'm buying and acquiring resources in english and spanish, and I have one account only, if I set the library to "autoupdate", then the english resources are going to be installed where I only want spanish resources and vice versa, solution was to change settings under the Internet section of Program Setting: "Use Internet" set to "Yes", "Automatically Start Downloads" set to "Yes" and "Download New resources" set to "No".

Ok now, I will like to know if you know that there is a way to remove not only resources but datasets. Same principle, I will leave english datasets in one side and spanish datasets in the other.

At this point I'm basically trying to split my library in two. Something that I was not able to do because I was only able to run a single instance of Logos. I'm wondering if it's best for me to create a second account and move all resources of a specific language to that new account. I think you can do that contacting customer support and paying $20 or something like that, but I have to check that very carefully because is a radical step. My concern being that all this thing I'm doing is because Verbum and Logos are basically the same in terms of how they operate, for the way I use the program, but I wonder if that's going to change in the future. Now they are basically the same with few exceptions, but who knows if Verbum is going to diverge so radically that it will not be usable for me.

So, datasets removal, Can do or not?

xnman

Many programs allow you to open multiple instances of the application at the same time. You generally do this by right-clicking on the application in the taskbar.

This would be a very useful feature.

I know there is the option to open a floating tab. However, the floating tab doesn't have the menu bar with the go box. Additionally, every time you open a tab from the floating window, it opens in the primary application window rather than the floating window.

It would be much better to allow multiple application instances in addition to the normal floating window functionality. Within each application instance, everything would work as it currently does.

For example, I might be working on two or three different projects for school at the same time. I could have two or three instances of Logos with a different workspace for each project. Whenever I opened a link, it would open in the window I am currently using, rather than me having to go find it and drag it back to the window I was using.

In the age of computers and many computerizers using multiple monitors, Logos is falling behind by not allowing this very needed function.

I would add... the functionality of being able to open a tab (book) in a window and dragging that tab to another monitor and thus opening up another instance of Logos...

Logos now has "open in floating window" and I make use of it... but it really doesn't work because it's like having Logos with no brains.

I hope we can get Faithlife to listen on this one.

Donovan R. Palmer

If we all really want to see this evolve for windows and mac, single and multiple monitor setups, we probably need to vote on it.

I searched the feedback listings and could not find anything that resembled this, so I created a new entry to register interest on.

https://feedback.faithlife.com/boards/logos-desktop-app/posts/allow-multiple-application-instances

Please vote and add your opinions what is needed. I think we are all wrestling with the limitations, though we might be approaching it from directions.

Kevin A. Purcell

Until they add it I create two windows by flowing something and then adding to that. However, I would like to use multiple instances on iOS. With Stage Manager that would be very nice.

xnman

And to add to this drama.... I don't think (as some has suggested) it is viable to expect everyone to buy both Verbum and Logos just to have multiple instances of Logos (which really are not "instances of Logos" but instances of Verbum and Logos).

What we need is to be able to run multiple instances of Logos or multiple instances of Verbum. But at the least multiple instances of Logos.

imho that is.... [8-|]