BUG: 4.0cB7: Don't install Beta 7 until you read this
WOW - Beta 7 is a nightmare for me at present. See notes below, and also http://community.logos.com/forums/78.aspx which seems to be the same issue.
After install of Beta 7, the first startup took a MANY minutes sitting with just the banner / splash screen. Every other beta has been more like 20-45 seconds. Beta 6 used to start and go to my layout, with all as it was, in around 12-15 seconds.
Beta 7 is giving me many black screens as the other thread above.
Opening a new resource takes maybe 30 seconds, and maybe a black screen for a while. Beta 6 was 2-3 seconds.
Hover over a verse ref in B7, takes 10 seconds to display, B6 was 1-2 seconds tops.
A Passage Guide on B7 tooks a few minutes, and many black screens (not responding message). B6 was 15-20 seconds.
I will attempt to debug / log / monitor Windows etc for clues and report anything additional I can find. Few clues yet, but the memory usage graphs seems to grow very high. Around 400 MB at present.
My B6 install was to default locations, and an admin user account, on Vista32, with 4 GB RAM (so 3).
My B7 is on the same PC, non-admin account, completely fresh install from nothing. But to 
\Logos4 directory, not default (in user app etc).
For me at least, B7 is unusable. I still have my B6 so will attempt to compair and provide "facts" if I am able, to assist with whatever is going on here.
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Not being argumentative...just providing information...ok?
I have none of these problems...B7 works just as fine as B6 and B5....
I'm running a middle of the road Dell laptop, 2.2GHZ core duo, 6GB DDR3, 7200 HDD, 1GB Video card.
Again...not mimizing your troubles, just providing another view.
Robert Pavich
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NO - I did not post this to start any fights, or disagree with anyone for which Beta 7 is working fine.
Some of the users, me included, run the Beta and have no other version if all goes wrong. Its a "fluke" that I installed a fresh copy into a new user account a few hours ago, and B7 popped up as an update right after.
My point is simple:
1) If you are running Beta and have no Release install, don't rush into B7 until tomorrow and we get some official response. Just in case.
2) Something is very different about B7 for me, but I have made it clear, its not apples v. apples, due to different user account, and admin v. non-admin, and default v. non-default install directory.I hope to get some more facts to post here, but wanted to caution anyone that can maybe hold back on B6 for another day or so.
(Please excuse the many grammer and typo errors I see I added in the first post.)
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Jim,
No problem brother...no fights
I just always wonder why two experiences could be so different...its' not about size of machine....there is some elusive element that nobody has put their finger on yet....
Robert Pavich
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Jim, sorry to hear you are having problems, I have noticed no extra sluggishness (or extra black not responding) on my netbook compared to B5/B6, so far so good as they say..
Never Deprive Anyone of Hope.. It Might Be ALL They Have
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I haven't had any problems with B7 either, but John Fugh has also reported bad performance problems.
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Well - Now I'm confused ...
I restarted B7 with logging (Control Key during start), and it did everything fine, and fast, and no pausing or black screens.
1-2 second response times as normal for many things: Hover over links, Click link to open new resource, etc ...
Clicking Passage Guide for a new referance in a different NT book (to reduce caching effects), takes 4 seconds to open and show list of first 6 commentarys.
So, its working fine now. I changed nothing. I'm pleased its good now, but I sure can't explain the earlier results.
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Rosie Perera said:
OPS - YES, that was the link I intended for my first post here. Seems I linked the forum rather than that specific post [:)]
Thanks Rosie.
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Jim Towler said:
but I sure can't explain the earlier results.
I wonder if it has something to do with specific resources or highlighting. Not sure, but I see a difference for the better as long as I don't run Spurgeon's Lectures (vol 1). Others may start seeing poor performance issues if they open the "magic" resource. Mine just happens to be this book.
John
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Jim Towler said:
So, its working fine now. I changed nothing. I'm pleased its good now, but I sure can't explain the earlier results.
Jim,
It's weird isn't it? But as I said on the other thread, this has been the case for a loonnngggg time...the "restart until it's snappy" phenomenon....
Robert Pavich
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Beta 7 installed and runs fine for me - if anything I would say it's just a little faster than beta 6!!!
It must matter what else is going on, on our computers, somehow....
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John Fugh, Jr. said:
as I don't run Spurgeon's Lectures (vol 1).
John, I have that resource (Thanks March Madness), so have just been playing with it.
If I set it to the top page, and set the auto-scroll on my middle mouse button so its scrolling down the screen at full speed, I get the following:
1) It goes really fast - faster than you could read, or even pick a few key points out of
2) HOWEVER, it pauses for 3-5 seconds before EVERY new Lecture heading comes up. Otherwise it never pauses or appears to change speed.
If I was going to guess, and its only a guess,
A) Its a problem with rendering the large font of the words "Lecture XX"
Its a change within the internal file structure of the resource file. Maybe related to compression, encryption, on reloading new metadata or other non-text data for the new section.Apart from the above 3-4 seconds pause, Beta 7 seems fine for me now.
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Jim Towler said:
Apart from the above 3-4 seconds pause, Beta 7 seems fine for me now.
Thanks, Jim, for trying to duplicate my issues. Mine is still having issues. I even deleted and rebuilt my library index.
John
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Edit: Problem went away after another reboot/restart of Logos.
Installed beta 7 at home and had no problems. Installed it on my church computer and I'm having... issues. Notice the empty Bible resource on the right. Tools are displaying text and working fine, indexing appears to be done, but resources are not showing anything. Indexing problem or something? Going to play around some more to see if the problem goes away. On the plus side, I'm not having performance issues.
Apparently the text is there, just not showing up. If I mouse around I still get tooltips and such.
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Chris Roberts said:
Edit: Problem went away after another reboot/restart of Logos.
This might be a lingering effect of the font updates in B6.
Dave
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Jim Towler said:
Opening a new resource takes maybe 30 seconds, and maybe a black screen for a while
I'm getting exactly the same issue with beta 7. It's taking around 50 seconds to open a resource. (Copy and paste the text below into Notepad to see the full log of the relevant events.)
2010-04-28 21:06:29.8564 1 Info LDLS4.AppModel Converting navigation request for library catalog record 2506 to request for resource
2010-04-28 21:06:29.8564 1 Info LDLS4.AppModel Converting navigation request for resource LLS:gs_wtj_02 to request for resource panel.
2010-04-28 21:06:29.8564 1 Info PanelViewModel Applying panel settings for Preferences: Contents=false|Locator=false|ReverseInterlinear=false
2010-04-28 21:06:29.8564 1 Info PanelViewModel Navigating panel to: Id=LLS:gs_wtj_02
2010-04-28 21:06:29.8564 1 Info PanelViewModel Applying panel settings for Bookmark: Id=LLS:gs_wtj_02
2010-04-28 21:06:29.8564 1 Info PanelViewModel Got panel settings for Preferences: Contents=false|Locator=false|ReverseInterlinear=false
2010-04-28 21:06:30.2148 1 Info PanelViewModel Applying panel settings for Preferences:
2010-04-28 21:06:30.2226 1 Info PanelViewModel Got panel settings for LocalHistory: Id=LLS:gs_wtj_02|Position=Article%3dTITLE%7cArticleLength%3d23%7cContext%3dWTJ%25202:1%2520(N%7cOffset%3d0%7cOffsetInContext%3d0%7cResource%3dLLS:gs_wtj_02%7cVersion%3d2009-12-14T00:23:39Z|ReverseInterlinear=false
2010-04-28 21:06:30.2226 1 Info PanelViewModel Got panel settings for Bookmark: Id=LLS:gs_wtj_02|Position=Article%3dTITLE%7cArticleLength%3d23%7cContext%3dWTJ%25202:1%2520(N%7cOffset%3d0%7cOffsetInContext%3d0%7cResource%3dLLS:gs_wtj_02%7cVersion%3d2009-12-14T00:23:39Z|ReverseInterlinear=false
2010-04-28 21:06:30.3437 1 Warn WpfDataBinding System.Windows.Data Warning: 39 : BindingExpression path error: 'CopyBehavior' property not found on 'object' ''LogosResourceDisplayModel' (HashCode=40946598)'. BindingExpression:Path=Display.CopyBehavior; DataItem='ResourceViewModel' (HashCode=13873320); target element is 'PanelView' (Name='PanelView'); target property is 'MergedCommandBindings' (type 'Object')
2010-04-28 21:06:30.3437 1 Warn WpfDataBinding System.Windows.Data Warning: 39 : BindingExpression path error: 'SaveAsBehavior' property not found on 'object' ''LogosResourceDisplayModel' (HashCode=40946598)'. BindingExpression:Path=Display.SaveAsBehavior; DataItem='ResourceViewModel' (HashCode=13873320); target element is 'PanelView' (Name='PanelView'); target property is 'MergedCommandBindings' (type 'Object')
2010-04-28 21:06:30.3437 1 Warn WpfDataBinding System.Windows.Data Warning: 39 : BindingExpression path error: 'PrintBehavior' property not found on 'object' ''LogosResourceDisplayModel' (HashCode=40946598)'. BindingExpression:Path=Display.PrintBehavior; DataItem='ResourceViewModel' (HashCode=13873320); target element is 'PanelView' (Name='PanelView'); target property is 'MergedCommandBindings' (type 'Object')
2010-04-28 21:06:30.3437 1 Warn WpfDataBinding System.Windows.Data Warning: 39 : BindingExpression path error: 'PrintDocumentBehavior' property not found on 'object' ''LogosResourceDisplayModel' (HashCode=40946598)'. BindingExpression:Path=Display.PrintDocumentBehavior; DataItem='ResourceViewModel' (HashCode=13873320); target element is 'PanelView' (Name='PanelView'); target property is 'MergedCommandBindings' (type 'Object')
2010-04-28 21:06:30.3437 1 Warn WpfDataBinding System.Windows.Data Warning: 39 : BindingExpression path error: 'SendToPowerPointBehavior' property not found on 'object' ''LogosResourceDisplayModel' (HashCode=40946598)'. BindingExpression:Path=Display.SendToPowerPointBehavior; DataItem='ResourceViewModel' (HashCode=13873320); target element is 'PanelView' (Name='PanelView'); target property is 'MergedCommandBindings' (type 'Object')
2010-04-28 21:06:40.1142 9 Info SyncManager (Timed) Uploading 1 items.
2010-04-28 21:06:41.3105 9 Info SyncManager SUCCESS - { Preferences, pref:ResourceViewPreferences/Resource, , False }
2010-04-28 21:06:41.3105 9 Info SyncManager (1316ms) Uploading 1 items.
2010-04-28 21:06:41.3476 9 Info SyncManager (Timed) Downloading items.
2010-04-28 21:06:42.1611 9 Info SyncManager (895ms) Downloading items.
2010-04-28 21:07:20.0751 1 Warn WpfDataBinding System.Windows.Data Warning: 4 : Cannot find source for binding with reference 'RelativeSource FindAncestor, AncestorType='LDLS4.Panels.ResourcePanel.LocatorPane', AncestorLevel='1''. BindingExpression:Path=Entries[0]; DataItem=null; target element is 'ListBoxItem' (Name=''); target property is 'NoTarget' (type 'Object')This is my personal Faithlife account. On 1 March 2022, I started working for Faithlife, and have a new 'official' user account. Posts on this account shouldn't be taken as official Faithlife views!
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John Fugh, Jr. said:
Others may start seeing poor performance issues if they open the "magic" resource.
Yes, you're right. I'm getting performance issues with Westminster Theological Journals. Many other resources open fine.
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No problems with either Lectures to My Students or Westminster Journals here.
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I've now deduced a pattern.
The resources that people are having problems with are all "Reformed" resources...so I deduce that there is a conspiracy among the "Arminian Programmers" to undermine Reformed resources by making them so glitchy that we'll all just give in and buy "Finney's Systematic Theology" and be done with it!
Or...it could just be a coincidence...
Robert Pavich
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The search while typing feature in B7 is almost as fast as L3. One of the things that speeds up the system is after a cold boot, open Logos, shut it down and then open it again. There is usually a small increase in performance.
It seems as if the software is being optimized. I have added several books recently and a search on the word "the" is giving the same time, or marginal differences.
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