I'm Still Not Convinced Faithlife Has Much Search Expertise
I know, I know ... roll out the 'Google is really, really big'. But even Bob (prior CEO) mapped out better intelligence than Logos/Verbum delivers. Let's hire Bob!!
Today, I wondered what 'dog in a manger' meant. It's actually in Wikipedia as an entry. And it strangely goes back to greek times ... dogs not liking the grain, but not letting the horses at it. And interestingly, it shows up in the Gospel of Thomas.
Ergo, turning to my trusty Verbum to quickly pull up Thomas.
The paperclip isn't working today (for me), so I'll simply describe.
1. Attempt #1: just type in 'dog in the manger' (no quotes). That yields a whole bunch of 'the's' and 'in's' (ordered by ranking). Classify that as a high school level first week search results (junior high, more like it)
2. Attempt #2: add quotes to the phrase brings up the Nag Hammadi texts (perfect), along with monographs that have the phrase associated with Pharasees. Classify this as definitely junior high coding (easy-street ... students showing the basics).
3. Attempt #3: use the new(?) ability to set reference matching to 'broad' (supposed to get more stuff). This search results looks like high school coding gone off the rails. The top entries are more 'the's and in's. Then it switches to 'bitches' (female dogs) from Mari (no mangers; inclusion was the 'in' and 'the'). After that it's more 'in's and 'the's.
Lesson using Logos/Verbum: know the exact words in the exact order; it's Ridgemont High coding.
Now, the reference to Bob, was that 'word significance' enhances the review (the's, 'in's and 'and's are definitionally not significant, since they're so common).
Luckily ... yep ... Google knows to look for 'dog' and 'manger' first.
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Hmm Try 1: dog WITHIN 5 WORDS manger brings up 278 matches in 129 articles and shows me that dog-in-the-manger is a frequent format.
To verify Try 2: "dog in the manger" brings up 118 matches in 112 articles. Again the results seem appropriate.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Hmmm ... I think you're displaying Logos/Verbum's requirement for USER expertise! RIght? You could not have done better coding??
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You had to put the phrase in quotes. That's junior high school coding.
You STILL couldn't code it better? Easily?
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I think you're displaying Logos/Verbum's requirement for USER expertise! RIght? You could not have done better coding?
Within the constraints FL works under and at the time the search engine was built? Not sure that I could although I would have used a quite different interface.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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You had to put the phrase in quotes.
When I want I precise phrase, I expect to mark it in some manner as a phrase ... but your schools are much better than mine - neither my son nor grandson would have done better in junior high ,,, unless they simply pulled in someone else's code.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Thanks, DMB. We're working hard to make search intuitive and - as far as possible - so it "just works". We believe we've made some progress, but I agree that we still have a long way to go.
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We're working hard to make search intuitive and - as far as possible - so it "just works". We believe we've made some progress, but I agree that we still have a long way to go.
Thank you Mark.
And MJ, you're definitely under-estimating your schools' prowess. I remember 50 years ago (1969-ish), the kids were programming with cards!
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Thanks, DMB. We're working hard to make search intuitive and - as far as possible - so it "just works". We believe we've made some progress, but I agree that we still have a long way to go.
Mark... If you search back on my posts in L9 you'll find I was a major objector to Search in L9. I finally stopped using it and went to other sources.... One of the reasons I bought into L10 was because Search was "supposed to be" improved.... Well... bottom line.... L10 Search is something I use regularly. I feel that the price of buying into L10 was worth it just because of the improvement in Search!
I appreciate all everyone did to make it so.....Thanks!
xn = Christan man=man -- Acts 11:26 "....and the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch".
Barney Fife is my hero! He only uses an abacus with 14 rows!
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I remember 50 years ago (1969-ish), the kids were programming with cards!
And you had to calculate the address yourself if you used disk; and the best part was you could debug a program on the 360 by stepping through one machine instruction at a time and reading the lights!!! My son hit the Basic in Middle School crowd, one grandson hit a school oriented programming language towards the end of Grade school; my other grandson had a two-year diploma in gaming programming (DigiPen) at 16.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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I remember 50 years ago (1969-ish), the kids were programming with cards!
And you had to calculate the address yourself if you used disk; and the best part was you could debug a program on the 360 by stepping through one machine instruction at a time and reading the lights!!! My son hit the Basic in Middle School crowd, one grandson hit a school oriented programming language towards the end of Grad school; my other grandson had a two-year diploma in gaming programming (DigiPen) at 16.
Aaaah yes.... the days of the accounting machine, the IBM 1401 Sytem Card Reader and the endless stacks of 80 Hollerith Card keypunched to perfection.... IBM System 360 teletype... Fortran IV.... Paschal... C.... Yep.... my fingerprints are on some of those.... lol [8-|]
xn = Christan man=man -- Acts 11:26 "....and the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch".
Barney Fife is my hero! He only uses an abacus with 14 rows!
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I'm not convinced Google has much search expertise which I usually attribute to my obscure queries. But tonight I simply wanted to find videos of cats with CH (i.e. cats like my recent addition). On the first page there were two entries on cats with CH (without video); the majority of the "matches" were chat sites or chat software; the remainder were cats ... with no mention of CH. I complain loudly when Verbum/Logos gives me that much noise.
However, in the last five years, Google has greatly improved their matches for Sogdian Christian texts.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Thanks, DMB. We're working hard to make search intuitive and - as far as possible - so it "just works". We believe we've made some progress, but I agree that we still have a long way to go.
Hi Mark,
This is great news. And I agree that search has significantly improved. Thanks for working hard on this.
One related aspect that needs further work (in my view) is the new display of the search results. Currently, it is unclear to me in what order the results of an "All" search are displayed. I assume there is some prioritization of results, but then there is the Factbook box, the Library box (are not all my results from the library??), the Questions & Answers box, .... Would a faceted display of search results be better, like e.g. in the Book search? But then the Book search does not search for Popular Quotations.
This point is linked to my most frequent complaint about Logos: Lack of usability and consistency of the user interface. But I am hopeful that this will also improve with time.
Armin
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