Why should someone buy Logos instead of QuickVerse?
My pastor and a couple of folks from my church are using Quick Verse. I've used Logos almost from the time the company started, but I've never used Quick Verse. What are some of the most important advantages Logos has over the other software? Oh, and have all the Family Christian Bookstores stopped carrying Logos or is it just my local store?
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I own several different Bible software's - including the one you mention - so basically I can say I've tried most of them. What I've found is that Logos has so much more depth than all of the other ones I've used. A good description would be to say that most other Bible software's are about 1 (or maybe 2) layer deep in search capability and so on, but Logos is a real Bible research program that's 20 layers deep.
Another good description, when comparing Logos to other Bible software, would be to make an analogy. It would be like comparing the professional drafting/architectural program called Auto-Cad - to another very simple one like Google Sketch-Up. Auto-Cad is a professional level program that takes some time and effort to learn how to use. Sketch-Up doesn't. But you can not do with Sketch-Up what you can do with Auto-Cad. It's very similar with Logos and other Bible programs.
Non of the other Bible software's out there have anything that can compare with The Passage and the Exegetical Guides. When you run one of these on a Bible passage it's like running 20 different mini search engines all at the same time - with each searching for different things that have to do with the passage you're studying.
One of the things I thought when I fist started using Logos a while ago was that this software is just too complicated. But then I started watching all of the videos and really saw what Logos can do. It can do much more than the other programs I own.
Logos is a "professional level" research tool - not a just a simple home Bible study program - like most others out there. The more things that a piece of software can do the more complicated it will be to learn. And because it can do so many different things, it takes some time to learn how to use it properly. But it's it well worth the time and effort.
I would recommend watching the videos on the Logos support page. That's a good place to start learning about what Logos can do.
If power and a large library is what you want then Logos has no peer. If exegetical study is what you want then there are one or 2 peers to Logos but they do not offer much else but language tools. If simple easy to use out of the box is what you what, again no peer to Logos.
The scholar, student, pastor-teacher, housewife and beginning student of the Word can all equally use Logos with maximum satisfaction.
QV is good software and no disrespect to the folks that have worked hard to produce it but it just cannot compete in the arenas that Logos covers so well and so comprehensively. When you throw in the tools available to portable devices like iPhone and browser view through library.logos.com it is simply overkill. The sychronization feature alone makes this incredibly powerful for the serious student of the Word. If I own Mac and Windows PCs, guess what? Logos can be installed on both at no added cost.
Also, what other software provider offers all of this at a no credit check payment plan that makes it affordable to most anyone? No one else but Logos. Not mention their dedication to expanding with progressions in operating systems and tech changes. My purchase or Logos 3 three years ago will be usable for years to come as is. Did I upgrade my Logos 3 Silver package to Logos 4 Platinum, you betcha because I wanted more resources. But I did not have to do it, my Logos 3 is still fully functional.
Team Logos & the Logos product are just unbelievable. The fact that they are always open to user input and that they actually may changes based on what we want is too good to be true but it is.
I own BibleWorks 5 & 7, Quickverse 2008 Platinum [I think], two versions of PC Study Bible and one or two others along the way. They all have their merits but none stack against the total package Logos offers.
Logos all the way..
Logos 5, Windows & Android perfect together....
It is a positive thing to see brand loyalty and success stories about how advanced exegetical software achieves savings of time and increased depth of study in a professional ministerial environment. However, in the real world cost and ease of use (no need for a several hundred dollar weekend seminar) often trumps those who are not keen on high cost, complexity of use, endless advertising, and hog tied to the "proper" exegetical method. The balance here is addressed by those who go to Church with the op and recommend QV who apparently aren't aware of how "ignorant" they are for not buying the most advanced and sexy Cadillac on the market. The advantage Logos has over other software is power and library size...different folks have different needs addressed by different software I think.
I'm a housewife...among other things (throw in single mom, widow, student, bread winner, and you begin to get a start on the other things). But as far as bible study goes, that is the level of study need I have.
Logos does NOT require a "several hundred dollar weekend seminar" to learn to use. I was able to look at several of the tutorial videos and get the general gist right away. I know I do not use the software to it's limits (I'd like to see a poll on the number of users who really do! The possibilities are endless...), but I would not want to do without the scope and flexibility of Logos, especially as concerns the exegetical guide and passage guides.
besiderself
Logos does NOT require a "several hundred dollar weekend seminar" to learn to use. I was able to look at several of the tutorial videos and get the general gist right away.
You're right, Esther, using Logos doesn't require a several hundred dollar weekend seminar to learn to use, but, oh, would I love to go to one to meet other users (see them up close and personal [<:o)] ) and I am sure that I would learn how to use L4 more efficiently. I worked through Camp Logos 1 and Camp Logos 2 for version three (several hundred dollars, yes!) and the concepts Morris taught helped me move from the beginner to a more advanced use of L3-it was worth the money and I have all of my hair intact. [:D]
Frankly, there is nothing to stop one from using many Bible Software packages. I value Logos for research in depth when I am at home.
However, I also use my NowBible to read an annual Bible Plan to me every morning fully dramatized with actors and music and to play my favorite sacred music. I also can easily fit it in my shirt pocket for Church Bible Studies and visits to the sick.
I can only hope that Logos eventually offers the dramatized versions of the Bible.
Frankly, there is nothing to stop one from using many Bible Software packages. I value Logos for research in depth when I am at home.
However, I also use my NowBible to read an annual Bible Plan to me every morning fully dramatized with actors and music and to play my favorite sacred music. I also can easily fit it in my shirt pocket for Church Bible Studies and visits to the sick.
I can only hope that Logos eventually offers the dramatized versions of the Bible.
I hadn't heard of NowBible before, so I googled it. Interesting gadget - but it seems a bit pricey for a piece of hardware that just does one thing. JMO, of course.
Blessings,
Jim D.
If all you need to do is display a few Bibles, do some concordance work, and maybe a few commentaries, then Quickverse is very good at that. There is certainly a market for that.
Logos enables you to go much deeper than Quickverse will because it has many more resources available. There are far more Bible dictionaries, newer commentaries, etc. in Logos. Logos also manages and helps in the use of those resources.
To use Logos at the same level of study that you can use Quickverse requires no weekend seminar. You don't need a seminar to display the Bible, a commentary, and do a basic search. In fact, you can do more with Logos right out of the box than you can ever do with Quickverse. Just type a verse in the passage guide, and Logos will do much of the research for you. It is that easy. Logos will help you use and manage your resources in ways that Quickverse cannot.
The seminar is for those who want to learn to get the most out of the product. You can study as deeply and scholarly as you want with Logos.
"In all cases, the Church is to be judged by the Scripture, not the Scripture by the Church," John Wesley
It is a positive thing to see brand loyalty and success stories about how advanced
I thought at first Rene was talking about Mac users....but I realize its us Logosites, with our T-shirts and coffee cups, and pulling out iPod touches and saying "Wanna see something neat" [:O]
apparently aren't aware of how "ignorant" they are for not buying the most advanced and sexy Cadillac on the market.
I prefer to think of Logos more like a Prius than a advanced and sexy Cadillac - it might cost a little more than say a Corolla, but you get more miles to the gallon, and people that have one thinks the entire world should have one.[au]
In Christ,
Dave
My pastor and a couple of folks from my church are using Quick Verse. I've used Logos almost from the time the company started, but I've never used Quick Verse. What are some of the most important advantages Logos has over the other software? Oh, and have all the Family Christian Bookstores stopped carrying Logos or is it just my local store?
Reb: I've used QV for over ten years and have found it to be little more than an ebook reader with some hyper-linking and synchronization (e.g., Bible/Commentary). QV: over 1000 books available...Logos 10,000+ (w/an additional five thousand expected over the next year or so. Logos is much "smarter" (intuitive) also, resulting in incredible library searches and a much better ability to utilize original languages for the newbie. QV is much less expensive, but offers a much more entry-level experience. The only reason I keep QV around is to have access to a few resources that I can't afford to add in Logos yet...but one day soon (within a year or so) it will be gone. Logos also offers free access to most (and probably just about all) of your library via Internet/smart phones/iPad/iPod-Touch and keeps your information synched between platforms as well. There is no way to compare the power and usability of Logos with QV (an old friend that I won't be too disappointed to see go soon). CS is great with both companies also.
I know pastors who don't use Logos and they spend between 25-35 hours/week preparing for their weekend sermon and others who use Logos and can easily cut 10-15 hours off of their preparation time...time spent ministering in many other ways. This would sell me on a product (to open up greater ministry opportunities) than maybe anything else.
Bottom line: QV much more suited for personal use/growth and light study. Logos is much more robust and suited for research, ministry, and academics. IMHO [:)]
My pastor and a couple of folks from my church are using Quick Verse. I've used Logos almost from the time the company started, but I've never used Quick Verse. What are some of the most important advantages Logos has over the other software? Oh, and have all the Family Christian Bookstores stopped carrying Logos or is it just my local store?
I have quickverse from version to the letest version Platinum 2010 ,you cannot compare it ,if you could tell the defference between Mercedes and Fiat 600 ,then you will be able to know the difference quickverse is not comparable in content and quallity with Logos ,the tools in Logos and the access of different books with Greek aand Hebrews and dictionaries etc. its awsame, I have also the letest version of PC bible software Professional. this is better than Quickverse ,but it hs its own limitation in comparing to Logos, I am very satisfied with Logos ,I need the other softswares ,for the purpose of cerain books available them ,just to save money,had it not be the case I would n't need them.
Blessings in Christ.
tell the defference between Mercedes and Fiat 600
. . . you need to explain to Americans what a "Fiat 600" is. Although, since they have taken over Chrysler, maybe more know them . . . [:P] (just kidding, mein Freund!)
I like Apples. Especially Honeycrisp.
Dan
A Fiat 600 is a tiny car powered by a 600cc engine. Strictly utilitarian but with style.
Every blessing
Alan
iMac Retina 5K, 27": 3.6GHz 8-Core Intel Core i9; 16GB RAM;MacOS 10.15.5; 1TB SSD; Logos 8
MacBook Air 13.3": 1.8GHz; 4GB RAM; MacOS 10.13.6; 256GB SSD; Logos 8
iPad Pro 32GB WiFi iOS 13.5.1
iPhone 8+ 64GB iOS 13.5.1
A Fiat 600 is a tiny car powered by a 600cc engine. Strictly utilitarian but with style.
Alan, you have
explained it very well, I think nowadays this car is not possible to find it anywhere
except in Eritrea. I did my driving license with it before many years, any way
I laughed as I always do, with Dann’s comments.
Blessings in Christ.
If you're talking to people who are not completely and totally flabbergasted by a $600 price tag for any software (the vast majority of people spend little more then that for their whole computer setup), the let the Logos intro videos and packages speak for themselves... QV tends to sell for LESS THEN $100 as an avg selling price... I'm guessing the avg selling price for Logos is somewhere in the range of $300-500.
I think the point many people are making is that QV on that less then $100 price range has competition that starts at free (a fantastic way to get started with bible software for many) and is literally a ministry outreach. I personally think these people are spot on.
The key advantages I have experienced are:
1. Logos has, by far, the largest and fastest growing library:
There's approximately a 30% chance that a book I find I'm interested in print, that I'd like in my library is found somewhere in Logos... higher for commentaries, like %80. With other PC software, it never even crossed my mind (Mac's a different story). There are still problems in this space, I can purchase a NICOT single volume on Amazon for less then $30, but to get the same volume on Logos means I have to make a $1500 purchase. That's crazy IMHO, but the issue here isn't Logos, it's publishers. They'll come around, it will just take time.
2. When I purchase a book, my purchase is good for the life of the company:
This is exactly why I would STRONGLY recommend against QV purchases above $100. As a student, I spent ~$500 (think 15+ years ago... dos ruled the world, etc.) on QV... that is now GONE. So are my volumes of notes... I wish I'd spent that money on old fashioned books. Logos has proven their commitment out over time. I received a J Vernon McGee Logos package years ago that I loaded up then stopped using when I moved to mac... I recently found I'm able to install and use the whole library of commentaries without having to pay for it again in Logos 4 on the Mac! Wow! You quite simply will not find the longevity of a book in software IMHO, but Logos definitely comes the closest!
If you're talking to people who are not completely and totally flabbergasted by a $600 price tag for any software (the vast majority of people spend little more then that for their whole computer setup), the let the Logos intro videos and packages speak for themselves... QV tends to sell for LESS THEN $100 as an avg selling price... I'm guessing the avg selling price for Logos is somewhere in the range of $300-500.
OK. I would take the AMG Library or the Nelson eBilbe (both with street prices well under $100) over the either to under $100 Speedy Verse products anyday. There is no comparison in the quality of the books and the Libronix collection gives a person the option of upgrading to one of the Logos base packages someday.
BTW: I just found an eBible extended edition for only $40, an eBible Ultimate for only $10, an eBible Platinum for only $150. It only takes a little effort to find great deals on Logos compatable software. There is no reason to ever suggest to ANYONE that price is a barrier to starting out with the very best in Bible software.
It sort of hard to understand sometimes why there is so much problem pointing out the obvious in the cyber theological world. Indeed there are free Bible programs eS.... is a prime example but the last time I looked it had a significant number of its modules for sale. In many ways approaching or surpassing the cost of a QV product with even a few module purchases. Perhaps the beauty of a theologically trained mine is why accept the obvious when one can argue endlessly over the theoretical period that doesn't exist yet....[:^)]
the beauty of a theologically trained mine
Another absolutely marvelous typo - I always knew discussing theology was a mine field - but I didn't know it was because the IDE's were theological trained.[:O]
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
I am a pastor who owns/owned or used several Bible software packages. Logos is far-and-away the most comprehensive and well-rounded.
I found that, QV is the weakest one in dealing with the original languages (go to their site and look at their list of offerings in their best package.... there is a huge void when it comes to original languages.) Biblesoft, e-sword, WordSearch, and BibleWorks all are superior to QV in that area. Logos and Bibleworks are in a league of their own in this area.
The commentaries for Logos are also superior.
But... the power of the basic software is where the real difference is. Logos a generation or two ahead of of its competitors.
QV is good for rudimentary study. It is adequate and it has its niche in Bible software. Of the packages I used and reviewed, QV would not be my third or fourth choice. For me, to trade Logos for QV would be similar to trading a car for a bicycle.
I started out with QuickVerse when they started out and was with them for over a decade. When I saw what Logos could do, I left QV behind because it seems to me Logos left it behind. I was very sad to also have to leave behind the books I had bought, but so it goes. I am actually kind of surprised QV still exists. Logos is so powerful and even having been to two Morris Proctor seminars (for Libronix 3) I have not even begun to discover just how powerful it is. I just don't have the time to study the program as much as I would like to. Still, even though I know I'm only scratching the surface of it's capabilities, the passage and exegetical guides alone give me more than I can possibly digest each week and connect me with a HUGE library of commentaries and dictionaries and word studies. I don't really think you can compare the two (though I confess to having left QV behind several years ago).
Godspeed the sermon this week all who are already beginning it (which is what I should be doing right now instead of sloughing off here ;-))...
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My pastor and a couple of folks from my church are using Quick Verse. I've used Logos almost from the time the company started, but I've never used Quick Verse. What are some of the most important advantages Logos has over the other software? Oh, and have all the Family Christian Bookstores stopped carrying Logos or is it just my local store?
I have both on my computer right now. I have had Quick Verse for about 15years and it met my needs; Then I tried Logos and and can tell you the difference is comparing a Chevrolet to a Cadillac. Logos is ahead of its time and they are improving it all the time. The old saying you get what you pay for
Reb -
I don't have time to write a long post today, but let me throw a couple of things out to you. Perhaps someone else can chime in with more detailed info.
QV was my first Bible software. I started to become disappointed with it around version 4. This was around 10 years ago. I ended up choosing Logos (V2 at the time). QV fell behind years ago and cannot come close to doing what Logos (V3 or V4) does.
As far as the bookstore issue, Logos will not be selling boxed sets through retail channels anymore. There are many reasons for this, but I think the most compelling one is that once the product is on the shelf, it is often out of date. Software updates come quickly with Logos. Just within the last month or so, I saw a V3 box still on the shelf at a store. I felt bad for someone that buys that, knowing that there is a new version and better deals to be had online.
Stick with Logos. Take the time to learn it. QV is not in the same league.
Jerry
Macbook Air (2024), Apple M2, 16gb Ram, Mac Sequoia, 1TB storage
Logos is much more powerful. Much larger library. Much more support. Significantly better quality of search results. Overall a much better Cadillac product over all the competition in the market. Yet it sits while I still have quickverse 2007 on my hard drive that gets much more use. Why? Ease of use and price. Sometimes folks just want a cheap ride to the store.