Why should someone buy Logos instead of QuickVerse?
My pastor and a couple of folks from my church are using Quick Verse. I've used Logos almost from the time the company started, but I've never used Quick Verse. What are some of the most important advantages Logos has over the other software? Oh, and have all the Family Christian Bookstores stopped carrying Logos or is it just my local store?
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Reb -
I don't have time to write a long post today, but let me throw a couple of things out to you. Perhaps someone else can chime in with more detailed info.
QV was my first Bible software. I started to become disappointed with it around version 4. This was around 10 years ago. I ended up choosing Logos (V2 at the time). QV fell behind years ago and cannot come close to doing what Logos (V3 or V4) does.
As far as the bookstore issue, Logos will not be selling boxed sets through retail channels anymore. There are many reasons for this, but I think the most compelling one is that once the product is on the shelf, it is often out of date. Software updates come quickly with Logos. Just within the last month or so, I saw a V3 box still on the shelf at a store. I felt bad for someone that buys that, knowing that there is a new version and better deals to be had online.
Stick with Logos. Take the time to learn it. QV is not in the same league.
Jerry
Macbook Air (2024), Apple M2, 16gb Ram, Mac Sequoia, 1TB storage
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Logos is much more powerful. Much larger library. Much more support. Significantly better quality of search results. Overall a much better Cadillac product over all the competition in the market. Yet it sits while I still have quickverse 2007 on my hard drive that gets much more use. Why? Ease of use and price. Sometimes folks just want a cheap ride to the store.
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I own several different Bible software's - including the one you mention - so basically I can say I've tried most of them. What I've found is that Logos has so much more depth than all of the other ones I've used. A good description would be to say that most other Bible software's are about 1 (or maybe 2) layer deep in search capability and so on, but Logos is a real Bible research program that's 20 layers deep.
Another good description, when comparing Logos to other Bible software, would be to make an analogy. It would be like comparing the professional drafting/architectural program called Auto-Cad - to another very simple one like Google Sketch-Up. Auto-Cad is a professional level program that takes some time and effort to learn how to use. Sketch-Up doesn't. But you can not do with Sketch-Up what you can do with Auto-Cad. It's very similar with Logos and other Bible programs.
Non of the other Bible software's out there have anything that can compare with The Passage and the Exegetical Guides. When you run one of these on a Bible passage it's like running 20 different mini search engines all at the same time - with each searching for different things that have to do with the passage you're studying.
One of the things I thought when I fist started using Logos a while ago was that this software is just too complicated. But then I started watching all of the videos and really saw what Logos can do. It can do much more than the other programs I own.
Logos is a "professional level" research tool - not a just a simple home Bible study program - like most others out there. The more things that a piece of software can do the more complicated it will be to learn. And because it can do so many different things, it takes some time to learn how to use it properly. But it's it well worth the time and effort.
I would recommend watching the videos on the Logos support page. That's a good place to start learning about what Logos can do.
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Reb Bacchus said:
My pastor and a couple of folks from my church are using Quick Verse. I've used Logos almost from the time the company started, but I've never used Quick Verse. What are some of the most important advantages Logos has over the other software? Oh, and have all the Family Christian Bookstores stopped carrying Logos or is it just my local store?
Reb: I've used QV for over ten years and have found it to be little more than an ebook reader with some hyper-linking and synchronization (e.g., Bible/Commentary). QV: over 1000 books available...Logos 10,000+ (w/an additional five thousand expected over the next year or so. Logos is much "smarter" (intuitive) also, resulting in incredible library searches and a much better ability to utilize original languages for the newbie. QV is much less expensive, but offers a much more entry-level experience. The only reason I keep QV around is to have access to a few resources that I can't afford to add in Logos yet...but one day soon (within a year or so) it will be gone. Logos also offers free access to most (and probably just about all) of your library via Internet/smart phones/iPad/iPod-Touch and keeps your information synched between platforms as well. There is no way to compare the power and usability of Logos with QV (an old friend that I won't be too disappointed to see go soon). CS is great with both companies also.
I know pastors who don't use Logos and they spend between 25-35 hours/week preparing for their weekend sermon and others who use Logos and can easily cut 10-15 hours off of their preparation time...time spent ministering in many other ways. This would sell me on a product (to open up greater ministry opportunities) than maybe anything else.
Bottom line: QV much more suited for personal use/growth and light study. Logos is much more robust and suited for research, ministry, and academics. IMHO [:)]
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If power and a large library is what you want then Logos has no peer. If exegetical study is what you want then there are one or 2 peers to Logos but they do not offer much else but language tools. If simple easy to use out of the box is what you what, again no peer to Logos.
The scholar, student, pastor-teacher, housewife and beginning student of the Word can all equally use Logos with maximum satisfaction.
QV is good software and no disrespect to the folks that have worked hard to produce it but it just cannot compete in the arenas that Logos covers so well and so comprehensively. When you throw in the tools available to portable devices like iPhone and browser view through library.logos.com it is simply overkill. The sychronization feature alone makes this incredibly powerful for the serious student of the Word. If I own Mac and Windows PCs, guess what? Logos can be installed on both at no added cost.
Also, what other software provider offers all of this at a no credit check payment plan that makes it affordable to most anyone? No one else but Logos. Not mention their dedication to expanding with progressions in operating systems and tech changes. My purchase or Logos 3 three years ago will be usable for years to come as is. Did I upgrade my Logos 3 Silver package to Logos 4 Platinum, you betcha because I wanted more resources. But I did not have to do it, my Logos 3 is still fully functional.
Team Logos & the Logos product are just unbelievable. The fact that they are always open to user input and that they actually may changes based on what we want is too good to be true but it is.
I own BibleWorks 5 & 7, Quickverse 2008 Platinum [I think], two versions of PC Study Bible and one or two others along the way. They all have their merits but none stack against the total package Logos offers.
Logos all the way..
Logos 5, Windows & Android perfect together....
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It is a positive thing to see brand loyalty and success stories about how advanced exegetical software achieves savings of time and increased depth of study in a professional ministerial environment. However, in the real world cost and ease of use (no need for a several hundred dollar weekend seminar) often trumps those who are not keen on high cost, complexity of use, endless advertising, and hog tied to the "proper" exegetical method. The balance here is addressed by those who go to Church with the op and recommend QV who apparently aren't aware of how "ignorant" they are for not buying the most advanced and sexy Cadillac on the market. The advantage Logos has over other software is power and library size...different folks have different needs addressed by different software I think.
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I'm a housewife...among other things (throw in single mom, widow, student, bread winner, and you begin to get a start on the other things). But as far as bible study goes, that is the level of study need I have.
Logos does NOT require a "several hundred dollar weekend seminar" to learn to use. I was able to look at several of the tutorial videos and get the general gist right away. I know I do not use the software to it's limits (I'd like to see a poll on the number of users who really do! The possibilities are endless...), but I would not want to do without the scope and flexibility of Logos, especially as concerns the exegetical guide and passage guides.
besiderself
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If all you need to do is display a few Bibles, do some concordance work, and maybe a few commentaries, then Quickverse is very good at that. There is certainly a market for that.
Logos enables you to go much deeper than Quickverse will because it has many more resources available. There are far more Bible dictionaries, newer commentaries, etc. in Logos. Logos also manages and helps in the use of those resources.
To use Logos at the same level of study that you can use Quickverse requires no weekend seminar. You don't need a seminar to display the Bible, a commentary, and do a basic search. In fact, you can do more with Logos right out of the box than you can ever do with Quickverse. Just type a verse in the passage guide, and Logos will do much of the research for you. It is that easy. Logos will help you use and manage your resources in ways that Quickverse cannot.
The seminar is for those who want to learn to get the most out of the product. You can study as deeply and scholarly as you want with Logos.
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Esther Jones said:
Logos does NOT require a "several hundred dollar weekend seminar" to learn to use. I was able to look at several of the tutorial videos and get the general gist right away.
You're right, Esther, using Logos doesn't require a several hundred dollar weekend seminar to learn to use, but, oh, would I love to go to one to meet other users (see them up close and personal [<:o)] ) and I am sure that I would learn how to use L4 more efficiently. I worked through Camp Logos 1 and Camp Logos 2 for version three (several hundred dollars, yes!) and the concepts Morris taught helped me move from the beginner to a more advanced use of L3-it was worth the money and I have all of my hair intact. [:D]
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Frankly, there is nothing to stop one from using many Bible Software packages. I value Logos for research in depth when I am at home.
However, I also use my NowBible to read an annual Bible Plan to me every morning fully dramatized with actors and music and to play my favorite sacred music. I also can easily fit it in my shirt pocket for Church Bible Studies and visits to the sick.
I can only hope that Logos eventually offers the dramatized versions of the Bible.
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ReneAtchley said:
It is a positive thing to see brand loyalty and success stories about how advanced
I thought at first Rene was talking about Mac users....but I realize its us Logosites, with our T-shirts and coffee cups, and pulling out iPod touches and saying "Wanna see something neat" [:O]
ReneAtchley said:apparently aren't aware of how "ignorant" they are for not buying the most advanced and sexy Cadillac on the market.
I prefer to think of Logos more like a Prius than a advanced and sexy Cadillac - it might cost a little more than say a Corolla, but you get more miles to the gallon, and people that have one thinks the entire world should have one.[au]
In Christ,
Dave
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ReneAtchley said:
The advantage Logos has over other software is power and library size...different folks have different needs addressed by different software I think.
Lets also keep in mind Logos' commitment to continual free future upgrades of any resource you have. QuickVerse = Buy it now, pay a little more for it later to stay current. Logos = Buy it now, that's it. That is an expensive promise to make.
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My sense David is that horn rimmed glasses and pocket protectors sell well among Logos users...and hopefully L4 never get reviewed on Gizzmodo...arrests and eternal damnation to follow. Perhaps you are right about the Prius too sexy maybe a bit much of a stretch...I mean the software of course (as I push up my glasses and adjust my pocket protector)...[8o|]
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Philip Spitzer said:
Logos = Buy it now, that's it.
Actually, it's more like "Buy it now, then buy some more resources, then a few more, then discover the pre-pub program (what great deals!) and order some more, then discover the community pricing program (what AWESOME deals!) and bid on some more, then some of your pre-pubs start shipping and you start paying for them, then your community pricing bids move into pre-pub, now you're totally addicted and keep buying resources until your spouse finds out what's been sending the credit card bill through the roof and then you're in trouble!" [:)]
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Philip Spitzer said:ReneAtchley said:
The advantage Logos has over other software is power and library size...different folks have different needs addressed by different software I think.
Lets also keep in mind Logos' commitment to continual free future upgrades of any resource you have. QuickVerse = Buy it now, pay a little more for it later to stay current. Logos = Buy it now, that's it. That is an expensive promise to make.
I think Phillip that this "free" upgrade is a great marketing gimmick since its only useful when a consumer buys the minimum upgrade package. Which ironically is very similarly priced for the Deluxe level of upgrade for QV 2010. IMO the upgrades for both companies are very similar in approach (i.e improvements in the interface, bargain new books, progressive price structures for upgrades) the primary difference being in how well each company is able to market their new super deluxe must have product. The "free" upgrade for Logos is offset by the on going, endless, drumbeat of advertising that never lets me forget what product is being used..sort of balances itself out I think.
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Rosie Perera said:Philip Spitzer said:
Logos = Buy it now, that's it.
Actually, it's more like "Buy it now, then buy some more resources, then a few more, then discover the pre-pub program (what great deals!) and order some more, then discover the community pricing program (what AWESOME deals!) and bid on some more, then some of your pre-pubs start shipping and you start paying for them, then your community pricing bids move into pre-pub, now you're totally addicted and keep buying resources until your spouse finds out what's been sending the credit card bill through the roof and then you're in trouble!"
Logos Acquisition Syndrome-LAS.
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If you only want what QuickVerse can do, don't spend your money on it. Download eSword for free. It is as good and maybe better than QV. Lots of free books available, and cheap ones for sale on other sites.
But nothing comes close to Logos. I have no reason to use any other Bible software.
Jerry
Macbook Air (2024), Apple M2, 16gb Ram, Mac Sequoia, 1TB storage
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ReneAtchley said:Rosie Perera said:Philip Spitzer said:
Logos = Buy it now, that's it.
Actually, it's more like "Buy it now, then buy some more resources, then a few more, then discover the pre-pub program (what great deals!) and order some more, then discover the community pricing program (what AWESOME deals!) and bid on some more, then some of your pre-pubs start shipping and you start paying for them, then your community pricing bids move into pre-pub, now you're totally addicted and keep buying resources until your spouse finds out what's been sending the credit card bill through the roof and then you're in trouble!"
Logos Acquisition Syndrome-LAS.
LOL. This is sooooooooooooooo true. I'm an addict - I admit it, and I love it!
Blessings,
Jim D.
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Sir Maru said:
Frankly, there is nothing to stop one from using many Bible Software packages. I value Logos for research in depth when I am at home.
However, I also use my NowBible to read an annual Bible Plan to me every morning fully dramatized with actors and music and to play my favorite sacred music. I also can easily fit it in my shirt pocket for Church Bible Studies and visits to the sick.
I can only hope that Logos eventually offers the dramatized versions of the Bible.
I hadn't heard of NowBible before, so I googled it. Interesting gadget - but it seems a bit pricey for a piece of hardware that just does one thing. JMO, of course.
Blessings,
Jim D.
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Reb Bacchus said:
My pastor and a couple of folks from my church are using Quick Verse. I've used Logos almost from the time the company started, but I've never used Quick Verse. What are some of the most important advantages Logos has over the other software? Oh, and have all the Family Christian Bookstores stopped carrying Logos or is it just my local store?
I have quickverse from version to the letest version Platinum 2010 ,you cannot compare it ,if you could tell the defference between Mercedes and Fiat 600 ,then you will be able to know the difference quickverse is not comparable in content and quallity with Logos ,the tools in Logos and the access of different books with Greek aand Hebrews and dictionaries etc. its awsame, I have also the letest version of PC bible software Professional. this is better than Quickverse ,but it hs its own limitation in comparing to Logos, I am very satisfied with Logos ,I need the other softswares ,for the purpose of cerain books available them ,just to save money,had it not be the case I would n't need them.
Blessings in Christ.
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Dan
A Fiat 600 is a tiny car powered by a 600cc engine. Strictly utilitarian but with style.
Every blessing
Alan
iMac Retina 5K, 27": 3.6GHz 8-Core Intel Core i9; 16GB RAM;MacOS 10.15.5; 1TB SSD; Logos 8
MacBook Air 13.3": 1.8GHz; 4GB RAM; MacOS 10.13.6; 256GB SSD; Logos 8
iPad Pro 32GB WiFi iOS 13.5.1
iPhone 8+ 64GB iOS 13.5.1
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This is a harder question than it was back Oct. of last year, Logos 4 has complicated the question at this point because it is not a finished product.
The best reasons I see for owning Logos rather than Quickverse, are the overall system allows you to study at a deeper level in a shorter period of time with Logos and for the same amount of money you get a lot more up to date books with Logos. For 600 dollars in QuickVerse you get a nice selection of Public Domain Books, but not much else. I really think of QuickVerse as the Queen of the Public Domain programs.
If a person understands the go button on Libronix 3 you can out preform QuickVerse with ease and it is easy to use. However, if you want to go beyond the go buttons with some good training you can go even farther with Libronix 3.
However, since the Logos 4 program has come out here are some of the drawbacks to Logos compared to QuckVerse. You can run QuickVerse on almost any computer these days, but that can not be said about Logos 4, QucikVerse allows for printing, QuickVerse has better note taking ability, and QuickVerse allows pdf files to be used with in the system, and even better it allows you to build your own Public Domain books into the system and enjoy the same features you do with their normal books, such as searching.
Currently QuickVerse has those advantages over Logos 4, but if you compare Libronix 3 with QuickVerse they don't have so many of those advantages. Libronix 3 can be used on almost any computer, you can buy the add in and make your own modules or download and use almost 1000 public domain books for L3. L3 is easy to use if you stick with the go buttoms and it has many more up to date copyrighted books when compared at the same price range than QuickVerse has. Logos also has many more resources for advance studies and the system will allow you to do so many more things if you are willing to study up on how to use all the extra features.
I would rather use the free program called the Word than QuickVerse, it is a better program for studies.
However Libronix 3 is much better than the Word, and when Logos 4 is ready for prime time it will blow Libronix 3 away too! Although they got to get to run better on more computers!
Logos allows you to study at what ever level you want to and it has a huge amount of high quality books to put into the system, public domain and copyrighted material too!
QuickVerse gets blown away at the upper levels of bible study or research.
In Christ,
Jim
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I am wandering which of the enthusiastic for Logos community has been seriously challenged to compare an elite professional level graphic based post-modern "revolutionary" interface with a "public domain" bible program...as one poster has described it. Its sort of like owning a Mercedes and constantly talking about how inferior those crappy Chrysler PT Cruisers are. A love for Logos, and the pursuit of the endless new release, does not in any way detract from the use and significance of QV products. Different places in the market for different folks whom, I think, cant or wont spend nearly $8000.00 for the ultimate e-book Bible Library...but that's just me.
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Jim Dunne said:
I hadn't heard of NowBible before, so I googled it. Interesting gadget - but it seems a bit pricey for a piece of hardware that just does one thing. JMO, of course.
Blessings,
Jim D.
Jim,
I also use the Franklin BIB 475 pocket Bible. Frankly, I use it only for their Daily Devotions. Neither NowBible nor Logos can beat it for that purpose. It picks out one really pertinent verse for each day. In my opinion, the NowBible with the Dramatized reading of any of six different Bibles is the best for listening. The NowBible has a very loud speaker so I can set it up every morning before I turn on my PC to read the entire Bible in a year with great dramatizations. The sound is synchronized to the print so I can read and listen at the same time. Then I conclude by playing my own sacred music which I loaded on to it. The speaker on that little device is awesome. The Logos voice used to play back Bibles is just a computerized, boring voice. The dramatized reading is fantastic for me.
However, as others have said for deep research, Logos beats all.
In Christ, blessings.
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ReneAtchley said:
I am wandering which of the enthusiastic for Logos community has been seriously challenged to compare an elite professional level graphic based post-modern "revolutionary" interface with a "public domain" bible program...as one poster has described it. Its sort of like owning a Mercedes and constantly talking about how inferior those crappy Chrysler PT Cruisers are. A love for Logos, and the pursuit of the endless new release, does not in any way detract from the use and significance of QV products. Different places in the market for different folks whom, I think, cant or wont spend nearly $8000.00 for the ultimate e-book Bible Library...but that's just me.
I agree that we don't need to talk down other programs. But if someone asks to to compare the two, then the car analogy is apt. However, the $8000 dollar price tag is hyperbole. A decent logos library can be had for a few hundred dollars.
MacBook Pro (2019), ThinkPad E540
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ReneAtchley, I am not sure, but I think your remarks were directed at my comments about QuickVerse and The Word.
First off it really makes no difference, but I teach believers how to use all kinds of different software to study the scriptures,and very seldom is it a Logos product.
I own most of the models from last year including Quick Verse. But that really doesn't matter because the question being addressed concerns only QuickVerse. There is no doubt in my mind that it is a good product and that it does some really great things, my point is that it is over priced for what it does.
It contains a lot of public domain for the 600 dollars you pay for their current top of the line model which is on sale right now! The second main point that makes it over priced to me is the function of the program compared to Logos or even a good free bible study program. I am not comparing their product to online bible or esword, but to the Word program, Unless you have seen and used the Word program as well as the QuickVerse program, you may be judging the free programs by the wrong standard..
I agree with you, not everyone can or will fork over the big money for the biggest and best study system on the market, but they can spend the same 600 dollars on a Logos library, and then download the 1000 free pbbs and have a program that will out preform the QuckVerse system both in quality of books and in the level of research possible in the shortest period of time. Or they can down load a free program with over 1000 resources and still compete with if not out preform QuickVerse.
Since you must have the QuickVerse system and Logos, where do you find that it out preforms Logos? Where does it out preform the Word? I really would like to know, if there is something that I have missed, it is important for me to know, because I want believer's to be able to study the scriptures with the best systems out there for the price they have to pay.
Getting back to the question asked on this thread dollar for dollar Logos is the better buy than QuickVerse not only in the books you get, but in what the program can do, and if you understand the reports and the big orange ball it gets the information to you easier than QuickVerse, but it still allows those that want to learn the details of the system how to dig deeper even quicker.
Once Logos 4 is out in it's completed form it will be even better, with the possible exception of needing a more powerful computer.
In Christ,
Jim
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Is my memory failing again? or were we asked to not name other products because of the search engine issue? No, not complaining about the initial question and answers - but using QV etc. would solve the search engine issue.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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To be honest Jim I'm not sure exactly what bone your picking here. QV is a totally different product for a totally different population with a totally different function since it is a Bible program proper....as I have pointed out on several different occasion's. To argue that Logos is a better buy when its initial price at almost every price point is higher than all but the Platinum level for QV seems like an academic argument over which shade of blue is the true shade of blue. If a consumer wants the cutting edge professional post-modern revolutionary networked super interface then Logos is certainly the superior product at every point. If a consumer just wants to do some simple straight forward devotions and limited exegetical work then QV has a place and maybe a better fit then the mid to upper level of Logos products imo. Each has appeals to certain individuals with certain needs. Is a Mercedes a better car than a PT Cruiser to get groceries? Guess it depends on what one needs and how much money they have I suppose.
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ReneAtchley said:
If a consumer wants the cutting edge professional post-modern revolutionary networked super interface then Logos is certainly the superior product
I've been cheated! I demand a refund! I didn't get the post-modern revolutionary version[:(]
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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ReneAtchley,you ask what bone I have to pick, Well the thread is about why should someone buy Logos instead of QV, I am saying Logos is a better value book for book and the actual program is much better for any level of study, and Logos has bible programs starting as low as 150 dollars at full retail, not 600 dollars like you mention, and if a person then adds the free pbbs (about a 1000 books) to this program they have a very nice Library that is easy to use, (go to the grocery store), but it also can do those other things(fine dinning) if you decided you want to later! There are at least 3 QV programs that cost more than 150 dollars even at their sale prices and they are mostly public domain books, they are easy to use ,but can not be up graded to the Logos level.
But if you are really wanting a low cost program people should look into the free program that I mentioned, you would not believe how much that program can do at no cost.
Still for my money a person is better off going with Logos and adding to the program as you need different books, you still have a program that is not limited like the QV is and a program has not only public domain books but the best choice of copyrighted books for the money.
Nothing like a good side by side demo of different systems to see what fits a persons pocket book and needs too bad this is not possible over the internet.
I have noticed a lot of your posts, and read them carefully, and I could be wrong, but I don't believe you understand all the things that can be done with Libronix 3 without going to a camp, I can understand that, I don't think Logos ever marketed the use of Libronix 3 correctly for those just starting out in bible study, they have a weakness in that area.
The fault is not in the program, but rather Logos does a poor job training people in how to use the system if all you want is a simple way to study the bible and to do advance reseach by only using the big reports and the go button. You don't need all the other stuff, but everyone thinks you do! And that is wrong.
In Christ,
Jim
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MJ. Smith said:
Is my memory failing again? or were we asked to not name other products because of the search engine issue?
I am not sure what you mean by this MJ. Could you throw some light on this? As i think the participant on this thread have complied and are within the forum rules of not "promoting or linking to competitors " software. Am i misunderstanding you, pardon me as it will not be the first? I am not aware one could not mention another software, i may have missed this but i can't find that info in the forum.
I know you were not complaining or making a big deal out of this, just curious to know more[:)].
Blessing.
Ted
Dell, studio XPS 7100, Ram 8GB, 64 - bit Operating System, AMD Phenom(mt) IIX6 1055T Processor 2.80 GHZ
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Ted Hans said:
am not sure what you mean by this MJ. Could you throw some light on this? As i think the participant on this thread have complied and are within the forum rules of not "promoting or linking to competitors " software. Am i misunderstanding you, pardon me as it will not be the first? I am not aware one could not mention another software, i may have missed this but i can't find that info in the forum.
I believe that our dear Martha is referring to the post where Dan Pritchett said that when you mention the name of a product in the forum, "bots" pick them up and the become "hits" in a search engine search...and in turn, the Logos forum becomes an advertising venue for a competitor's product.
I hope that came out right...Dan's post was a good one but I can't find it at the moment.
Robert Pavich
For help go to the Wiki: http://wiki.logos.com/Table_of_Contents__
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Robert Pavich said:
I believe that our dear Martha is referring to the post where Dan Pritchett said that when you mention the name of a product in the forum, "bots" pick them up and the become "hits" in a search engine search...and in turn, the Logos forum becomes an advertising venue for a competitor's product.
I hope that came out right...Dan's post was a good one but I can't find it at the moment
Ha, thanks Bob i forgot about that. I very much appreciate the reminder.
Ted
Dell, studio XPS 7100, Ram 8GB, 64 - bit Operating System, AMD Phenom(mt) IIX6 1055T Processor 2.80 GHZ
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MJ. Smith said:
Is my memory failing again? or were we asked to not name other products because of the search engine issue? No, not complaining about the initial question and answers - but using QV etc. would solve the search engine issue.
But is there is not also the advantage of when someone is searching for information on QV, gets a hit to this thread, and can see that the basic consensus is that "QV is good, but Logos is the best"?
Just a thought...[:)]
"As any translator will attest, a literal translation is no translation at all."
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Alan Macgregor said:
A Fiat 600 is a tiny car powered by a 600cc engine. Strictly utilitarian but with style.
Alan, you have
explained it very well, I think nowadays this car is not possible to find it anywhere
except in Eritrea. I did my driving license with it before many years, any way
I laughed as I always do, with Dann’s comments.Blessings in Christ.
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Rosie Perera said:Philip Spitzer said:
Logos = Buy it now, that's it.
Actually, it's more like "Buy it now, then buy some more resources, then a few more, then discover the pre-pub program (what great deals!) and order some more, then discover the community pricing program (what AWESOME deals!) and bid on some more, then some of your pre-pubs start shipping and you start paying for them, then your community pricing bids move into pre-pub, now you're totally addicted and keep buying resources until your spouse finds out what's been sending the credit card bill through the roof and then you're in trouble!"
I saw this on Twitter today (from Rick Warren), "Dont fear temptation; use it to GROW. Temptation is just a choice.Everytime u choose to do the RIGHT thing,u get stronger." Could he be talking about Logos and our growing libraries? [:O]
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Amy Leung said:
I saw this on Twitter today (from Rick Warren), "Dont fear temptation; use it to GROW. Temptation is just a choice.Everytime u choose to do the RIGHT thing,u get stronger." Could he be talking about Logos and our growing libraries?
I like it. [:)] The only problem, I can see, is that Rick Warren sells WORDs***** software...[;)]
"As any translator will attest, a literal translation is no translation at all."
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Paul Golder said:
The only problem, I can see, is that Rick Warren sells WORD
I think you could have stopped right there, software is not the only thing Warren sells....
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MJ. Smith said:
Is my memory failing again? or were we asked to not name other products because of the search engine issue? No, not complaining about the initial question and answers - but using QV etc. would solve the search engine issue.
No, your memory is not failing. I suggest that we call all other Bible software - VBS for Voldemort (He-who-must-not-be-named) Bible Software. [;)]
iMac Retina 5K, 27": 3.6GHz 8-Core Intel Core i9; 16GB RAM;MacOS 10.15.5; 1TB SSD; Logos 8
MacBook Air 13.3": 1.8GHz; 4GB RAM; MacOS 10.13.6; 256GB SSD; Logos 8
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Alan Macgregor said:
No, your memory is not failing. I suggest that we call all other Bible software - VBS for Voldemort (He-who-must-not-be-named) Bible Software.
Watch out! You get a thread started on whether Christians should read Harry Potter books.
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Bill Gordon said:
Watch out! You get a thread started on whether Christians should read Harry Potter books.
Are you talking about the Harry Potter that is the modern day Lord of the Rings?
"As any translator will attest, a literal translation is no translation at all."
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Those who complain about the cost of the Logos system conveniently forget one of Logos greatest strengths—their partnership with publishing partners. For $600 you can blow out of the water any other digital library in terms of both the quantity and quality of books. Here is what I mean (numbers are rounded up and these are discounted internet prices anyone can find today):
Logos Bible Study Library $270
eBible Expanded Edition $60
Baker Digital Level 3 $20
IVP Essential Collection $115
AMG Bible Essentials $50
NLT Study Bible $30
WEA Theological Library $35
The grand total is $580. This is a truly awesome library that leaves Speedy Verse in the dust.
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If you're talking to people who are not completely and totally flabbergasted by a $600 price tag for any software (the vast majority of people spend little more then that for their whole computer setup), the let the Logos intro videos and packages speak for themselves... QV tends to sell for LESS THEN $100 as an avg selling price... I'm guessing the avg selling price for Logos is somewhere in the range of $300-500.
I think the point many people are making is that QV on that less then $100 price range has competition that starts at free (a fantastic way to get started with bible software for many) and is literally a ministry outreach. I personally think these people are spot on.
The key advantages I have experienced are:
1. Logos has, by far, the largest and fastest growing library:
There's approximately a 30% chance that a book I find I'm interested in print, that I'd like in my library is found somewhere in Logos... higher for commentaries, like %80. With other PC software, it never even crossed my mind (Mac's a different story). There are still problems in this space, I can purchase a NICOT single volume on Amazon for less then $30, but to get the same volume on Logos means I have to make a $1500 purchase. That's crazy IMHO, but the issue here isn't Logos, it's publishers. They'll come around, it will just take time.2. When I purchase a book, my purchase is good for the life of the company:
This is exactly why I would STRONGLY recommend against QV purchases above $100. As a student, I spent ~$500 (think 15+ years ago... dos ruled the world, etc.) on QV... that is now GONE. So are my volumes of notes... I wish I'd spent that money on old fashioned books. Logos has proven their commitment out over time. I received a J Vernon McGee Logos package years ago that I loaded up then stopped using when I moved to mac... I recently found I'm able to install and use the whole library of commentaries without having to pay for it again in Logos 4 on the Mac! Wow! You quite simply will not find the longevity of a book in software IMHO, but Logos definitely comes the closest!0 -
Mike S. said:
If you're talking to people who are not completely and totally flabbergasted by a $600 price tag for any software (the vast majority of people spend little more then that for their whole computer setup), the let the Logos intro videos and packages speak for themselves... QV tends to sell for LESS THEN $100 as an avg selling price... I'm guessing the avg selling price for Logos is somewhere in the range of $300-500.
OK. I would take the AMG Library or the Nelson eBilbe (both with street prices well under $100) over the either to under $100 Speedy Verse products anyday. There is no comparison in the quality of the books and the Libronix collection gives a person the option of upgrading to one of the Logos base packages someday.
BTW: I just found an eBible extended edition for only $40, an eBible Ultimate for only $10, an eBible Platinum for only $150. It only takes a little effort to find great deals on Logos compatable software. There is no reason to ever suggest to ANYONE that price is a barrier to starting out with the very best in Bible software.
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It sort of hard to understand sometimes why there is so much problem pointing out the obvious in the cyber theological world. Indeed there are free Bible programs eS.... is a prime example but the last time I looked it had a significant number of its modules for sale. In many ways approaching or surpassing the cost of a QV product with even a few module purchases. Perhaps the beauty of a theologically trained mine is why accept the obvious when one can argue endlessly over the theoretical period that doesn't exist yet....[:^)]
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I still think that there's a much better analogy - when comparing Logos to other Bible programs, because Logos is not an automobile.ReneAtchley said:Is a Mercedes a better car than a PT Cruiser to get groceries? Guess it depends on what one needs and how much money they have I suppose.
It's like - (very similar to) - comparing the professional level architectural/drafting program called AutoCad to Google SketchUp. AutoCad costs around $2500.00 (last time I checked) and you have to take classes to learn to use it. Google SketchUp is free and it's relatively easy to use (although they have a paid version too).
But . . . AutoCad can do so much more than SketchUp.
- With AutoCAD you can design an entire building (or series of buildings) - including every single phase, structural, electrical, plumbing, HVAC, Data distribution & networking, etc.
- With SketchUp you can design a patio for your back yard & that's about it. (over simplified for effect of course)
It's the same with Bible software. Logos can do so much more than the others.
So as you said, it comes down to asking yourself - What - exactly - do I want and need to do with this Bible software? If all you are going to do with it is read a Bible and have a commentary follow you or do some devotions - you may not need Logos. In that case spend accordingly.
If however, you want to do some real research and dig deep - Logos is the better tool and the better value - dollar for dollar.
So, it all depends on what you want to do - or need to do.
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I appreciate your response Stein. It makes several legitimate points about the nature of software in this digital age. I wonder thought how did we ever "dig deep" before Logos?
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ReneAtchley said:
I wonder thought how did we ever "dig deep" before Logos?
It is truly amazing that the world got by for thousands of years with a library and a pencil (or quill, if you will).
"As any translator will attest, a literal translation is no translation at all."
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