WORDsearch
I am a 70-year-old living on my VA pension and I am basically poor. I bought the WORDsearch disc years ago, but I have been burglarized a few times and my computer and software disks were all stolen. I will gladly buy a WORDsearch disc with the basic starter set on it if anyone has one for sale. I need the word processor that it had for making my own presentations. I don't use any programs that require a monthly payment, like Office or word. I really miss WORDsearch. Many people still do. You could make a lot of money if you sold the starter pack for offline use. I really have no use for commentaries or other translations. I prefer the 1769 version that was authorized by Congress to be in our courts.
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Greetings William
While 'wishing for horses' you might try 'riding' Logos and Open Office neither of which should cost you any money.
tootle pip
Mike
Now tagging post-apocalyptic fiction as current affairs. Latest Logos, MacOS, iOS and iPadOS
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I don't really like LOGOS and never have. I didn't really like WORDsearch much either but It had a word processor that I used almost daily. I really don't want a program that I have to take courses to use. Someone gave me a drop box file that I used but sometimes the enemy attacks me and I get crazy for a while and mess some things up. My King is always faithful to bring me back to reality, but some things get messed up. I get really close to God and the enemy attacks me every time. It has been going on for about the last ten years, Don't worry though, I have a Good Sheperd.
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Actually is isn't Wordsearch or LOGOS that is the problem. It's Faithlife. This bunch supports and sells so many heretical commentaries and translations that have nothing to do with what the apostles taught it's unbelievable to me that so many would actually pay so much for them. I use very little of the resources that I have. I mainly use Olive tree now but the only place I can get a 1769 KJV is from The Sword Project. I prefer the 1769 KJV because it wass Authorized by Congress to be in our courts and was the one we swore our oaths on.
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William Durham said:
This bunch supports and sells so many heretical commentaries and translations that have nothing to do with what the apostles taught it's unbelievable to me that so many would actually pay so much for them.
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William Durham said:
Actually is isn't Wordsearch or LOGOS that is the problem. It's Faithlife. This bunch supports and sells so many heretical commentaries and translations that have nothing to do with what the apostles taught it's unbelievable to me that so many would actually pay so much for them. I use very little of the resources that I have. I mainly use Olive tree now but the only place I can get a 1769 KJV is from The Sword Project. I prefer the 1769 KJV because it wass Authorized by Congress to be in our courts and was the one we swore our oaths on.
William.... I understand your dilemma about books you think "have nothing to do with what the apostles taught". I'm somewhat in the same category with you... And I'll preface what I'm going to say by saying I understand the need for Faithlife to make money....
I have suggested books and resources to Faithlife but alas... my suggestions fall on deaf ears ... mainly because, in my opinion, many of the Faithlife customers are of a religious persuasion that is either Catholic or close to it. And when it comes to voting for what resources Faithlife uses... well, majority seems to win.
Given all that.... then I vote with my pocket book... I, like a lot of people, buy what I think helps me to gain a deeper knowledge of the bible, which means, a lot of books and resources... I don't even consider.
xn = Christan man=man -- Acts 11:26 "....and the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch".
Barney Fife is my hero! He only uses an abacus with 14 rows!
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xnman said:
mainly because, in my opinion, many of the Faithlife customers are of a religious persuasion that is either Catholic or close to it.
Ah, your obsession with Catholics continues. Statistics show Reformed and Evangelical lead the pack in available resources.
xnman said:I have suggested books and resources to Faithlife but alas... my suggestions fall on deaf ears .
Suggestions normally take a year or so before we see action - longer if the publisher is new to Logos or if Logos is in the process of a management change.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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William Durham said:
This bunch supports and sells so many heretical commentaries and translations that have nothing to do with what the apostles taught it's unbelievable to me that so many would actually pay so much for them.
Totally agree - I never go to Walmart they sell so many flavours of soup that I just don't like.
(actually its because the nearest branch is on another continent but I won't let that spoil the logic)
tootle pip
Mike
Now tagging post-apocalyptic fiction as current affairs. Latest Logos, MacOS, iOS and iPadOS
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MJ. Smith said:
Ah, your obsession with Catholics continues. Statistics show Reformed and Evangelical lead the pack in available resources.
Just figured it was the way I said... given the bias that appears in the Searches and Factbooks and things.... But even as you say... it proves my point. Hey, it is what it is....[8-|]
Edit: The real question in all this.... is .... is truth being "watered down" by flooding a "bible program - i.e. Logos" with tons of books, resources and such that has nothing to do with searching for truth?
Personally, I think Logos is the best bible program going and I liken it to like living in the world.... I have to live in the world....I just choose not to "buy in" to all that the world does. Same with Logos... I made a honest choice to have a bible program... which wound up to be WordSearch... which failed and Logos became a "white knight". But even in WordSearch... there were biases..... I just feel the biases may be a bit stronger in Logos.... simply because there are more resources to search from.... and many of those resources are from Catholic, Reformed or Evangelical as you say. .......... IMHO.
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Premise: Logos is biased in it's searches and such.
Argument: Logos has a customer base of Catholics, Reformed and some Evangelicals.
Argument: Logos buys resources which it's customer base votes on.
Argument: Logos Search is based on the resources it has.
Conclusion: Logos Search is biased.
Not trying to start anything...but the facts are the facts.
xn = Christan man=man -- Acts 11:26 "....and the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch".
Barney Fife is my hero! He only uses an abacus with 14 rows!
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xnman said:
Premise: Logos is biased in it's searches and such.
Argument: Logos has a customer base of Catholics, Reformed and some Evangelicals.
Argument: Logos buys resources which it's customer base votes on.
Argument: Logos Search is based on the resources it has.
Conclusion: Logos Search is biased.
Not trying to start anything...but the facts are the facts.
Not trying to start a fight here, either, but it didn't occur to you that when the conclusion is the same as the premise, something may be off?
Your arguments are not convincing, either - they are opinions, and I think most of them are not valid.
- We don't know the customer base demographics for sure, but going from the forum interactions over the last ten-twelve years, the bestselling resources in the catalog, the books requested by users and the advertising FL runs, my opinion is that the customer base is heavily concentrated in the reformed, neo-calvinist, evangelical camp. Non-liturgical, low church, baptistic. This demographic produces and buy lots of books and commentaries, which keeps Faithlife alive. In my opinion, one could probably describe this as centered around "TheGospelCoalition". Catholics are a minority (as are Lutherans, Pentecostals and SDA) - FL tries to broaden the userbase into that area but I'm pretty sure they are not there yet.
- Logos offers resources they have contracts for. Most of the new resources come from existing relationships with publishers. The votes of the userbase (which often over-represent the wishes of theological and language-minorities, since those feel more pressure to "get their content in" than the established core userbase) only factor to a minimal effect in FL trying to negotiate additional contracts. Due to limited bandwidth not only in producing but also in contracting books, the majority of additions to the catalog will thus not be determined by vote, but by existing relationships which reflect the theological bias of the historic core userbase.
- Logos search will give results that are there in your bible or your library. They are technically unbiased (how else could they work reliably?), but of course the book search will be "biased" in the sense that it only gives results in the user's library. Thus, search results from book searches will strongly reflect the user's bias that went into buying decisions.
Have joy in the Lord!
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I agree that there is some bias in Logos coding. It is highly biased towards historical-grammatical (linguistic) criticism typical of evangelicals but broadly used by all (Western) Christians. This bias is historical in the sense that grammatical analysis was one of the first techniques that computer science could apply to ancient texts productively. This bias is economic in the sense that several of the missing approaches require sophisticated neural networks that are beyond the capabilities of the smaller, older personal computers.
However, one can easily avoid the bias:
- search on the original language text using as little of Faithlife interpretative tagging as possible
- create a collection of the books in your library that you consider most neutral/reliable and search them rather than your whole library
- educate yourself on potential anachronistic biases and discount it when it appears in your results
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Points well taken. Thanks.
xn = Christan man=man -- Acts 11:26 "....and the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch".
Barney Fife is my hero! He only uses an abacus with 14 rows!
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