Why I don't use Clippings - an appeal for votes on suggestions

MJ. Smith
MJ. Smith MVP Posts: 53,105
edited November 21 in English Forum

When I was a grad student, I used 3x5 cards for research papers and 6x8 cards for my thesis. I didn't use 3x5 cards for notes and a spiral notebook for quotes. At most I used multiple colors of cards to distinguish notes from quotes from questions from hints for additional sources. That's why I want clippings to be integrated into Notes so that searches and filters treat notes and quotes as a single source of information.

The suggestions here have several duplicates which FL has not resolved as they have for some other suggestions. The volume of suggestions implies dissatisfaction with the current function.

Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."

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  • Dave Hooton
    Dave Hooton MVP Posts: 35,674

    That's why I want clippings to be integrated into Notes so that searches and filters treat notes and quotes as a single source of information.

    Oh, NO. I like Clippings as standalone. I don't do Notes and I don't prepare Sermons. Clippings are subject/topic oriented and not reference oriented (unless I choose to include a bible reference in the document name). The layout of Notes would be terribly constraining e.g. the "Take a Note..." space.

    You can't integrate the two because Clippings are not Notebooks (it's easy to add a reference to a Notebook from a Clipping).

    Dave
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    Windows 11 & Android 13

  • MJ. Smith
    MJ. Smith MVP Posts: 53,105

    You can't integrate the two because Clippings are not Notebooks

    Notes don't have to be in Notebooks although I tend to put them in project notebooks. I've been integrating clippings with notes for several years via the kludge of copy & paste and they integrate just fine. But then the data designer in me would naturally make highlights, notes, and clippings subtypes of a single entity. But then many of my notes are not reference oriented.

    I know that a number of people on the forums take your view of the matter and I can justify it to some extent looking at workflow. But I can't get there from a data perspective.

    Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."

  • Doc B
    Doc B Member Posts: 3,544 ✭✭✭

    I'm with Dave on this one.

    I would be fine if they integrated CL with NO as long as CL was still available as-is/standalone as a subject/topic tool.

    I use CL now to gather material for lessons, some of which I don't write up for months. I'd hate to lose all that into NO, where I have tons of stuff I no longer know I have, as it isn't organized topically.

    Eating a steady diet of government cheese, and living in a van down by the river.

  • Dave Hooton
    Dave Hooton MVP Posts: 35,674

    I've been integrating clippings with notes for several years via the kludge of copy & paste and they integrate just fine.

    That isn't the type of integration being proposed, which basically amounts to shoe-horning one interface into the other!

    Dave
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    Windows 11 & Android 13

  • MJ. Smith
    MJ. Smith MVP Posts: 53,105

    That isn't the type of integration being proposed, which basically amounts to shoe-horning one interface into the other!

    No, what is being proposed is a simplification of the datastructures in a manner that should eliminate some duplication of code and allow more reuse of code resulting in a more stable product that is less expensive to maintain. Tagging and referencing would be consistent across highlights, notes, and clippings making it easier for those of us creating lessons rather than sermons to have our source materials (notes and clippings) more integrated as a starting point.

    Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."

  • Dave Hooton
    Dave Hooton MVP Posts: 35,674

    No, what is being proposed is a simplification of the datastructures in a manner that should eliminate some duplication of code and allow more reuse of code resulting in a more stable product that is less expensive to maintain.

    We will have to disagree on this providing any sort of benefit for code maintenance as the fundamental consideration should be the user experience, after which low level design could take this under consideration.

    Dave
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    Windows 11 & Android 13

  • MJ. Smith
    MJ. Smith MVP Posts: 53,105

    We will have to disagree on this providing any sort of benefit for code maintenance as the fundamental consideration should be the user experience, after which low level design could take this under consideration.

    I agree that the user experience is a given - but I have said nothing about how the UI should function. Yes, I have some ideas but I leave the interface up to those familiar with the mobile devices as they are outside my range of knowledge.

    Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."