Why I don't use the Counseling Guide - an appeal for votes on suggestions

One possibly good thing came out of the development of the Counseling Guide - the Lectures section to add to the backlog of tagging. My dislike for this feature is very basic - it strays too far from Scripture as it's topic and the material to populate the sections come from too narrow a range of books. I can understand why users involved in serious counseling would request such a feature but unless the focus is spiritual direction, it simply does not fall into the core purpose of Logos - the study of scripture. I see sermons and lesson plans as simply passing scripture study to another audience i.e. still in the core area of Logos.

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DMB

Mal's suggestion on listing all available themes/topics seems obvious. I tried 'Counseling' out with this thread. First problem was to find it. Second was to type something in. Like what?

After that the going was easy. It thought for a while, and then gave up. I'm guessing (good UI design again) I don't own the feature.

As to how wide a net, I'm not really sure. At church, I was surprised the pastor does 'counseling'. Sure enough. My dad did that, but we called it 'good advice'. And the folks don't limit their issues to the church-y world. I guess the question would be, send them to secular environments?

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1246561#Comment_1246561

Come on, it's not that hard to find a test topic:

I do expect pastors to do counseling. I even know a pastor who changed denominations after counseling a young man and discovering his denomination's position was untenable.i.e. counter to reality. I expect that counseling to be informed by the scripture and their beliefs ... but that doesn't make counseling a form of Bible study. And the pastoral counseling I have seen, the pastor is willing to go to secular counselors to get information/advice when appropriate.

DMB

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1246565#Comment_1246565

Oh, I did as you. Then, picked a hot-sin. Then it thought and thought (little grey bars). Finally it gave me some boilerplate about what the feature did. I guess I won't be able to counsel for today.

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1246572#Comment_1246572

I would not be surprised if you (and many others) have none of the books tagged for this feature. I used to hide them; I now simply leave them in the cloud.

DMB

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1246577#Comment_1246577

I think you're right. I typed in 'counsel' and got several on counsels (I think a Catholic term). I added 'ing' and zipperoo. Not a good test, but a clue.

EastTN

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1246561#Comment_1246561

... I guess the question would be, send them to secular environments?

There are excellent, fully qualified and certified counselors who are also Christians. Perhaps not as many as we need, but they are out there. Our congregation has paid for counseling by a Christian psychologist when one of our young men had an issue that called for more than just good advice. (Not that I'm knocking good advice - there are just some situations where professional help is needed.)

Mal Walker

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1246580#Comment_1246580

While we are on the topic, the Logos 10 Counseling Feature Upgrade lists a few things that I have no idea what it's referring to. For example, it 'helps you prepare for, document, and track biblical conversations' and 'find or create applicable homework assignments.' I can't seem to find any tools or features related to this. https://www.logos.com/product/229973/logos-10-counseling-feature-upgrade Any ideas?

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1246595#Comment_1246595

I haven't a clue. But perhaps some Bible college/seminary was pushing Logos for this feature which influenced the marketing blurb.

Dave Hooton

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1246579#Comment_1246579

I think you're right. I typed in 'counsel' and got several on counsels (I think a Catholic term). I added 'ing' and zipperoo. Not a good test, but a clue.

'counsel' will give you the datatype (bottom of suggestions) which is CT:. Then you get many counseling suggestions e.g. CT:Anxiety. But you have to look for the milestone e.g. milestone:CT:Anxiety.