Search for Paratactic Kai

Michael
Michael Member Posts: 27
edited November 20 in English Forum

I am trying to obtain the frequency of paratactic kai in Mark, and also hypotactic de. How would I macro this? 

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  • MJ. Smith
    MJ. Smith Member, MVP Posts: 53,085 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Bumping for attention - this post has not received a response as expected.

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  • Justin Gatlin
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    I think you need a syntax search, which I am not very good at. You may have better luck on the Syntax Search group.

  • Dave Hooton
    Dave Hooton Member, MVP Posts: 35,673 ✭✭✭

    I think you need a syntax search, which I am not very good at. You may have better luck on the Syntax Search group.

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    "A conjunction used to represent a paratactic relationship between two sentential elements. In LSGNT, several sub-categories of coordinating conjunctions are noted. (References: BDF §442-452; Wallace p. 657-658, 667-670; Smyth §2163, 2168-2172.)

    Lukaszewski, A. L. (2007). The Lexham Syntactic Greek New Testament Glossary.

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  • I am trying to obtain the frequency of paratactic kai in Mark,

    Version 9.17 SR-2 Morph Search idea is:

    lemma:καί@CLN OR lemma:καί@CLCL

    Morph Search for Conjunction Logical Connective & Conjunction Logical Contrastive appears to find paratactic kai.

    FWIW: hoping for version 9.17 SR-2 to automatically upgrade to version 23.0 on Tue 21 Feb 2023, whose Morph Search is:

    lemma.g:καί@CLN OR lemma.g:καί@CLC

    and also hypotactic de.

    What is an example of "hypotactic de" ?

    My Logos 23.0 search for hypotactic NEAR de found results in three books: two of them were unrelated footnotes, but the third found a footnote NEAR hypotactic (in surface text):

    Semeia 36">

    In ancient Greek and Israelite literature, tension existed between literary compositions which exhibited a striking degree of unity of both plot and structure (e.g., epic, tragedy, comedy, and Biblical books such as Ruth, Esther and Jonah), and those which exhibited a looser, more episodic structure or were used as vehicles to frame other, shorter, literary forms (examples from Greco-Roman literature include history, biography, and “antiquities,” and in the Bible the “historical” section, running continuously from Genesis through 2 Kings). These two styles of literary macrostructures may be designated periodic and paratactic respectively, following a useful distinction made by Aristotle. The periodic (or, hypotactic) style has a beginning and an end and is the style reflecting the influence of oratory on writing. The paratactic style, on the other hand, has no natural stopping places and ends when there is no more to say on the subject. The effect of parataxis is discontinuity, since the integrity of various members of the chain are preserved at the expense of the unity of the whole. Herodotus and the early Greek logographers, like the historical books of the OT, exhibit paratactic macrostructure.

     

     David E. Aune, “The Apocalypse of John and the Problem of Genre,” ed. Adela Yarbro Collins, Semeia 36 (1986): 79.

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  • Michael
    Michael Member Posts: 27

    Dave, I think you are on the right track. But it is returning 0 results for the entire GNT. Were you able to obtain results?

  • Dave Hooton
    Dave Hooton Member, MVP Posts: 35,673 ✭✭✭

    Dave, I think you are on the right track. But it is returning 0 results for the entire GNT. Were you able to obtain results?

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    Provide a screenshot of your Syntax Search panel.

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  • Michael
    Michael Member Posts: 27

    I think you need a syntax search, which I am not very good at. You may have better luck on the Syntax Search group.

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    "A conjunction used to represent a paratactic relationship between two sentential elements. In LSGNT, several sub-categories of coordinating conjunctions are noted. (References: BDF §442-452; Wallace p. 657-658, 667-670; Smyth §2163, 2168-2172.)

    Lukaszewski, A. L. (2007). The Lexham Syntactic Greek New Testament Glossary.

    Thank you Dave. I am unable to select my LXX with Morphology for this syntax search. Is there another source that allows this? Or do you think I have done something wrong? 

  • Dave Hooton
    Dave Hooton Member, MVP Posts: 35,673 ✭✭✭

    I am unable to select my LXX with Morphology for this syntax search. Is there another source that allows this? Or do you think I have

    You appear to be replicating KS4J's Morph Search - very different to my Syntax Search. Where did you get the field.lemma: term from? the query should be lemma.g:καί@CLN OR lemma.g:καί@CLC but with zero results in Logos LXX.

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  • Michael
    Michael Member Posts: 27

    I am unable to select my LXX with Morphology for this syntax search. Is there another source that allows this? Or do you think I have

    You appear to be replicating KS4J's Morph Search - very different to my Syntax Search. Where did you get the field.lemma: term from? the query should be lemma.g:καί@CLN OR lemma.g:καί@CLC but with zero results in Logos LXX.

    I am unable to select my LXX with Morphology for this syntax search. Is there another source that allows this? Or do you think I have

    You appear to be replicating KS4J's Morph Search - very different to my Syntax Search. Where did you get the field.lemma: term from? the query should be lemma.g:καί@CLN OR lemma.g:καί@CLC but with zero results in Logos LXX.

    I have no idea what I'm doing. I need a list of all kai in the Septuagint, that are paratactic, joining clauses, rather than just joining nouns.

  • I have no idea what I'm doing. I need a list of all kai in the Septuagint, that are paratactic, joining clauses, rather than just joining nouns.

    Likewise living & learning that Logos Greek Morphology tagging in Rahlf's LXX lacks Adverbial, Logical, & Substantival. Bible Search can find καί that is a Conjunction lemma.g:καί@C OR NOT, which finds 23,441 verses.

    lemma.g:καί@C OR (lemma.g:καί NOT INTERSECTS morph.g:C)

    Noticing καί is often the translation of וְ that can connect words, phrases, & clauses. Many καί morphology pop-ups in Rahlf's LXX have:

    • καί; conjunction; וְ; conjunction; and

    When καί is NOT a conjunction in Rahlf's LXX, the morphology pop-up has:

    • καί; preposition; and

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  • Dave Hooton
    Dave Hooton Member, MVP Posts: 35,673 ✭✭✭

    I am unable to select my LXX with Morphology for this syntax search. Is there another source that allows this? Or do you think I have

    You appear to be replicating KS4J's Morph Search - very different to my Syntax Search. Where did you get the field.lemma: term from? the query should be lemma.g:καί@CLN OR lemma.g:καί@CLC but with zero results in Logos LXX.

    I have no idea what I'm doing. I need a list of all kai in the Septuagint, that are paratactic, joining clauses, rather than just joining nouns.

    One cannot run a Syntax Search on Logos LXX bible, and it only supports a single Conjunction sub-type which renders a Morph Search useless (given there are over 57,000 results).

    The Paratactic Conjunction Syntax Search on the Lexham Syntactic Greek New Testament yields 15 results in 13 verses:-

    Jn 3:4; 4:46; 1 Co 7:29; Heb 1:1, 8, 10, 12; 11:12; Jas 1:27; 1 Jn 2:1; Jud 1, 2; Re 9:19

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    The results come from 3 Conjunction sub-types but not every instance is Paratactic. So a Morph Search is also useless, unless you want to manually separate the results from lemma.g:καί@CLN OR lemma.g:καί@CLC OR  lemma.g:καί@CLK in a Greek NT (over 1,000 results for Mark).

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  • The Paratactic Conjunction Syntax Search on the Lexham Syntactic Greek New Testament yields 15 results in 13 verses:-

    Jn 3:4; 4:46; 1 Co 7:29; Heb 1:1, 8, 10, 12; 11:12; Jas 1:27; 1 Jn 2:1; Jud 1, 2; Re 9:19

    coordinating conjunction: A conjunction used to represent a paratactic relationship between two sentential elements. In LSGNT, several sub-categories of coordinating conjunctions are noted. (References: BDF §442-452; Wallace p. 657-658, 667-670; Smyth §2163, 2168-2172.)

     Albert L. Lukaszewski, The Lexham Syntactic Greek New Testament Glossary (Lexham Press, 2007).

    Bible Search in SBLGNT for SGNTSyntacticForce:"coordinating conjunction" INTERSECTS lemma.g:καί finds 15 results in 13 verses.

    John 3:4 καί can also be found using Bible Search grammaticalConstructions:"Clause Level Connection" INTERSECTS lemma.g:καί

    Bible Search in SBLGNT for (grammaticalConstructions:"Clause Level Connection" INTERSECTS lemma.g:καί) IN milestone:bible:mk finds 528 verses in the Gospel of Mark.

    Connection (Clause Level)

    This construction consists of the linking of two clauses with a conjunction. It signals no semantic value. The reader must infer the relationship between the two clauses.

     James Parks, Greek Grammatical Constructions Documentation (Bellingham, WA: Faithlife, 2015).

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