Messianic Psalms
I have looked in Factbook but cannot find anything on Messianic Psalms. Does anyone have suggestions?
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Have you tried a search of your entire library for the quoted phrase "Messianic Psalms"?
Also, there is a Messianic Psalms Topic guide.
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I will do that. Thanks
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Try psalms explorer?
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Messianic psalms in the Factbook is pretty disappointing.
I think Bill's approach is the best one. Go to Psalms Explorer and select "Messianic" under tags.
A very different kind of approach would be to use the Intertext tagging to see when the New Testament quotes a psalm (intertext:source:bible:Psalms is the canonical form, but I don't think you actually need bible?). The problem is that you will have to look up the OT references one at a time. intertext:source:bible:Psalms INTERSECTS person:Jesus.
One more idea is to use the New Testament Use of the Old Testament Explorer, and select Psalms as the source book and Jesus as the NT reference. This gives a lot more results and so it is a looser definition of messianic psalm but is interesting.
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Thanks everyone. I need to restate my purpose here. I am writing a biblical theological study of the Messianic Psalms and their importance in the early church 1st to 7th century AD. I was trying to get a wide view as in the factbook entry to understand their form. My professor said that Gunkel was important to this study. But Gunkel’s framework identifies five major types of psalms with additional, more granular sub-categories. These types include Hymns, Communal Laments, Individual Laments, Individual Thanksgiving psalms , and Royal Psalms. So where do these Messianic Psalms fit in these categories? How would I research this further?
EDIT: My thesis statement is "Some Psalms are classified as "Messianic" because their burden is the suffering and victory of the Messiah, who in Greek is called Christ. A Theology of the Book of Psalms is based upon the syntax and use of Messianic in both the OT and NT; Messianic psalms point the reader to Jesus and the psalms are among the most widely cited Scriptures found in the NT. The argument of this paper is further categorized that the Messiah of the NT can be found in all the Psalter if one is looking ahead."
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My professor said that Gunkel was important to this study. But Gunkel’s framework identifies five major types of psalms with additional, more granular sub-categories. These types include Hymns, Communal Laments, Individual Laments, Individual Thanksgiving psalms , and Royal Psalms. So where do these Messianic Psalms fit in these categories? How would I research this further?
Did you take a look at the Psalms Explorer as Justin recommended? If you did and of you selected the Messianic tag that he suggested and then selected the By Genre display, if not already selected, you would discover that there are Messianic Psalms in 5 of the genres or categories. Note: there is a close match between the genres of Psalms Explorer and the categories if Gunkel.
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Yes I did and that was helpful but my argument is that the forms Gunkel provided are helpful but I believe all Psalms can be described as Messianic. Has there been any studies like this done before?
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I am writing a biblical theological study of the Messianic Psalms and their importance in the early church 1st to 7th century AD. I was trying to get a wide view as in the factbook entry to understand their form. My professor said that Gunkel was important to this study.
Here like your professor I am only going to prod you to engage with the academy.Have you read Gunkel? What was the situation before Gunkel? Is there a new school of thought on this question and if so, who is/are its leading voice(s)? Once you have thoroughly positioned yourself in the conversation of the academy then and only then are you prepared to argue a thesis.
One more thing. You appear to engage solely with books. If this is so, I would encourage you to include Theological journals in your search for current discussions.
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their importance in the early church 1st to 7th century AD.
This topic requires the inclusion of the history of worship and prayer where the psalms (literally all the psalms) were used heavily.
- The Psalms as Christian Worship: A Historical Commentary | Logos Bible Software
- The Biblical Psalms in Christian Worship: A Brief Introduction and Guide to Resources (Calvin Institute of Christian Worship Liturgical Studies) | Logos Bible Software
- From Whom No Secrets Are Hid: Introducing the Psalms | Logos Bible Software
Are decent starting points for non-liturgical consideration.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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MJ, thanks for the book recommendations. I have the first and I've had Brueggemann recommended in other settings, although not this particular monograph.
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I believe all Psalms can be described as Messianic. Has there been any studies like this done before?
- Christ in the Psalms | Logos Bible Software Orthodox, devotional
- Exalting Jesus in Psalms 1-50 (Christ-Centered Exposition Commentary Series | CCE) | Logos Bible Software 3 volumes, I'm not enthusiastic
- The Messiah and the Psalms: Preaching Christ from all the Psalms | Logos Bible Software very much takes your approach
- Psalms of the Faithful: Luther’s Early Reading of the Psalter in Canonical Context | Logos Bible Software not really what you are looking for but essential for any understanding of the Protestant use of psalms
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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I have looked in Factbook but cannot find anything on Messianic Psalms. Does anyone have suggestions?
Christian, have you considered how the David connection makes the Psalms Messianic?
He's a brief intro to that idea: Of David (Psalms).
Towards the end of the article, you'll find quotes from several different perspectives (Ausustine, Eastern Orthodox, Luther), as well as further links such as Are the Psalms Messianic? We need to read Psalms in context.
Hope that helps.
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Beloved yes I have read Gunkel and his contemporaries. According to Gunkel, many of the psalms were composed by a priest who “preserved them at the sanctuary in order to use them at appropriate. Concerted understanding of the Psalms was sparked during the enlightenment period of the 18th Century. Prior to this, the Psalms were considered primarily a collection of poems/prayers born from the emotions of holy individuals. In 1811, De Wette formalized and gave a framework to the understanding of the Psalms. He grouped the Psalms by literary types, for example thanksgiving or petitionary. Buttenweiser followed this method of analysis closely and worked on the assumption that the Psalms were an invaluable source of historical data. As a result of this study, the Psalms were popularly dated as a post-exilic work. I do not understand who comes after Gunkel. I have only been working with books at this point.
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According to Gunkel, for psalms to be considered as part of the same genre (Gattung) three conditions had to be met: the psalms had to have a similar setting in life (Sitz im Leben), basis in worship, a common cultic setting, or at least originally derive from one; they had to be characterized by common thoughts, feelings, and moods; and they required a shared diction, style, and structure — a language related to form (Formensprache). This feature provides the signals of the particular genre. Working with these criteria, Gunkel isolated a number of different genres or types of psalms. In his earlier work he highlighted four primary types of psalms (hymns, community laments, individual thanksgiving psalms, and individual laments), with various subcategories, as well as several mixed forms. In his later work, completed by Joachim Begrich, he identified six major types (hymns, enthronement psalms, communal complaints, royal psalms, individual complaints, and individual thanksgiving psalms) and a number of smaller genres and mixed types. I have tended to follow the later classification, with modifications as noted. Gunkel was not consistent in how he dealt with them.
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Prior to this, the Psalms were considered primarily a collection of poems/prayers born from the emotions of holy individuals.
That certainly conflicts with what I've read where communal/individual is an early distinction made among the psalms. Here is an early classification (still in use as are the others below):
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Rabbi Saadia Gaon divided the Psalms into four categories based on their content and themes:
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Praise (Tehillah): Psalms that express praise and adoration for God's greatness and attributes.
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Prayer (Tefillah): Psalms that express requests or petitions to God, asking for guidance, protection, and deliverance.
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Lamentation (Kinah): Psalms that express grief, sorrow, and mourning over personal or communal tragedies.
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Thanksgiving (Hoda'ah): Psalms that express gratitude and thanksgiving to God for His blessings, deliverance, or answered prayers.
A couple of centuries later we get this standard Jewish classification: [quote]
These categories are as follows:
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Psalms of Praise (Tehillim): These are psalms that praise God for His greatness and express gratitude for His blessings.
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Psalms of Thanksgiving (Hodayot): These psalms express thanksgiving to God for deliverance from trouble or for answered prayers.
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Psalms of Repentance (Teshuvah): These psalms express remorse for sins and seek God's forgiveness.
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Psalms of Trust (Emunah): These psalms express confidence in God's protection and deliverance, even in times of trouble.
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Psalms of Petition (Sha'aliyot): These psalms are prayers for God's help and deliverance.
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Psalms of Lament (Kinot): These psalms express grief or sorrow over personal or communal tragedies.
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Psalms of Ascent (Shir Hama'alot): These psalms were sung by pilgrims on their way to Jerusalem for the festivals.
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Psalms of the King (Miktam): These psalms were traditionally associated with King David and express his trust in God's protection.
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Psalms of Wisdom (Maskil): These psalms contain wisdom teachings and reflections on the nature of God and His creation.
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Psalms of Celebration (Hallel): These psalms were sung during festivals and express joy and celebration for God's goodness and blessings.
And given your focus on Messianic psalms, you should be aware of Martin Luther's categories:
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Penitential Psalms: These psalms express sorrow for sin and seek God's forgiveness.
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Historical Psalms: These psalms recount the history of God's people and their relationship with Him.
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Messianic Psalms: These psalms prophesy about the coming of the Messiah and His role in God's plan of salvation.
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Psalms of Lament: These psalms express grief, sorrow, and mourning over personal or communal tragedies.
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Psalms of Trust: These psalms express confidence in God's protection and deliverance, even in times of trouble.
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Psalms of Thanksgiving: These psalms express gratitude and thanksgiving to God for His blessings, deliverance, or answered prayers.
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Psalms of Wisdom: These psalms contain wisdom teachings and reflections on the nature of God and His creation.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Christian, when you write your paper, I strongly recommend citing your sources properly so that you cannot be accused of passing off the work of others as your own, i.e., plagiarism.
"Some Psalms are classified as "Messianic" because their burden is the suffering and victory of the Messiah, who in Greek is called Christ.
https://www.simplybible.com/f01p-psalms-about-christ.htm
Messianic psalms point the reader to Jesus and the psalms are among the most widely cited Scriptures found in the NT.
https://jeffdavis.blog/2016/12/01/finding-the-messiah-in-the-psalms/
According to Gunkel, many of the psalms were composed by a priest who “preserved them at the sanctuary in order to use them at appropriate.
https://www.academia.edu/40167743/A_Review_of_An_Introduction_to_the_Psalms_by_Hernann_Gunkel
Concerted understanding of the Psalms was sparked during the enlightenment period of the 18th Century. Prior to this, the Psalms were considered primarily a collection of poems/prayers born from the emotions of holy individuals. In 1811, De Wette formalized and gave a framework to the understanding of the Psalms. He grouped the Psalms by literary types, for example thanksgiving or petitionary. ... Buttenweiser followed this method of analysis closely and worked on the assumption that the Psalms were an invaluable source of historical data. As a result of this study, the Psalms were popularly dated as a post-exilic work.
https://www.writework.com/essay/discuss-contribution-hermann-gunkel-and-sigmund-mowinckel
According to Gunkel, for psalms to be considered as part of the same genre (Gattung) three conditions had to be met: the psalms had to have a similar setting in life (Sitz im Leben), basis in worship, a common cultic setting, or at least originally derive from one; they had to be characterized by common thoughts, feelings, and moods; and they required a shared diction, style, and structure — a language related to form (Formensprache). This feature provides the signals of the particular genre. Working with these criteria, Gunkel isolated a number of different genres or types of psalms. In his earlier work he highlighted four primary types of psalms (hymns, community laments, individual thanksgiving psalms, and individual laments), with various subcategories, as well as several mixed forms. In his later work, completed by Joachim Begrich, he identified six major types (hymns, enthronement psalms, communal complaints, royal psalms, individual complaints, and individual thanksgiving psalms) and a number of smaller genres and mixed types. I have tended to follow the later classification, with modifications as noted. Gunkel was not consistent in how he dealt with them.
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