Crash: Running Syntax Query in OpenText.org

Fred Chapman
Fred Chapman Member Posts: 5,899 ✭✭✭

I got several of the "not Responding messages when I began a search, then I got a "Run Time Error" dialogue, then the crash. Logos4 log is attached. There was no crash log generated. Diagnostic logging is enabled on my machine.

2480.Logos4.log

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  • Dave Hooton
    Dave Hooton MVP Posts: 36,357

    There is no crash information in the log, although there are some "interesting" time gaps in syntax searches.

    Please upload an image of the search you were attempting.

    Dave
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    Windows 11 & Android 13

  • Fred Chapman
    Fred Chapman Member Posts: 5,899 ✭✭✭

    This is the search I ran. I ran it on all passages in the NT last night and that is when I had the problems described above. I built it again this morning and ran it first on just the epistle I was studying. It ran fine. I expanded the search to the Pauline epistles with no problems. I then expanded to all passages and it ran fine.

    I have to think that this is all tied to the B7 performance issues that have been discussed in several other threads.

     

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  • Dave Hooton
    Dave Hooton MVP Posts: 36,357

    Fred,  that's a very 'ugly' search with potential to cause a hernia on any computer[:)]

    There's no boundary for the 'anything' so it could search the  whole database for a matching SC and the output reflects the distance between matcheseg.

    Lk 6:42 (PC) - Act 13:15 (SC)

    Act 1:16 (PC) - Act 13:15 (SC)

    Act 2:29 (PC) - Act 13:15 (SC)

    .....

    There are only 4 SC in the database  (Act 13:15, 2 Cor 1:5, Phil 2:1, 1 Thess 2:3)  and 99 PC. I don't think you can derive anything meaningful from this query. What were you trying to achieve?

     

    Dave
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    Windows 11 & Android 13

  • Fred Chapman
    Fred Chapman Member Posts: 5,899 ✭✭✭


    Fred,  that's a very 'ugly' search with potential to cause a hernia on any computerSmile

    There's no boundary for the 'anything' so it could search the  whole database for a matching SC and the output reflects the distance between matcheseg.

    Lk 6:42 (PC) - Act 13:15 (SC)

    Act 1:16 (PC) - Act 13:15 (SC)

    Act 2:29 (PC) - Act 13:15 (SC)

    .....

    There are only 4 SC in the database  (Act 13:15, 2 Cor 1:5, Phil 2:1, 1 Thess 2:3)  and 99 PC. I don't think you can derive anything meaningful from this query. What were you trying to achieve?

     


    I was basing it on 2 Thess. 2:1-3. In the OpenText clause analysis it shows verse 1 as the PC with the addressee (brethren or brothers) and verse three as a SC with the subject exhortation. I was trying to find other clauses that had same addressee and the same subject.

    What would you recommend to make it "more attractive".

  • Dave Hooton
    Dave Hooton MVP Posts: 36,357

    What would you recommend to make it "more attractive"

    We need to force a sequence of PC followed by related SC's, one of which is the exhortation clause. Hence the inserted SC which may occur 0 to 5 times.

    The only result is 1 Thess 2:1-3 (I'm sure you didn't mean 2 Thess).

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    Dave
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    Windows 11 & Android 13

  • Fred Chapman
    Fred Chapman Member Posts: 5,899 ✭✭✭

    What would you recommend to make it "more attractive"

    We need to force a sequence of PC followed by related SC's, one of which is the exhortation clause. Hence the inserted SC which may occur 0 to 5 times.

    The only result is 1 Thess 2:1-3 (I'm sure you didn't mean 2 Thess).

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    Got it. You taught me something again. Thanks Dave

    Yes I did mean 1 Thessalonians. Initially I had inserted three SC's but and it only returned the passage in 1 Thessalonians. I thought I might be restricting my search too much by specifying that absolute number of SC's.

    One more question. The SC clause that you inserted to repeat 0-5 times. Obviously I could set that to any range I wanted to. Would I have to restrict it to a secondary clause or would the search work if I just specified a "clause" without identifying a level?

  • Dave Hooton
    Dave Hooton MVP Posts: 36,357

    One more question. The SC clause that you inserted to repeat 0-5 times. Obviously I could set that to any range I wanted to.

    The 0 is important as it allows the exhortation to immediately follow the PC. The maximum value sets a boundary for the search.

    Would I have to restrict it to a secondary clause or would the search work if I just specified a "clause" without identifying a level?

    Just try it...

    Dave
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    Windows 11 & Android 13

  • Fred Chapman
    Fred Chapman Member Posts: 5,899 ✭✭✭

    Just try it...

    I actually removed all of the clause level specifications and returned an additional verse in 2 Thessalonians as well. Thanks again for you help.

  • Dave Hooton
    Dave Hooton MVP Posts: 36,357

    Just try it...

    I actually removed all of the clause level specifications and returned an additional verse in 2 Thessalonians as well. Thanks again for you help.

    But is it meaningful? Are there other results for these words?

    I did a Morph Search lemma:ἀδελφός  BEFORE lemma:παράκλησις  and picked up Acts 13:15 & Heb 13:22, which are single verse results.

    Then I used a Basic Search <lemma = lbs/el/ἀδελφός> BEFORE 40 words <lemma = lbs/el/παράκλησις>  which is not limited by verse boundaries and picked up the Syntax results + others. Now you have to decide whether a Syntax search will yield more meaningful results or if this search is sufficient!

    Dave
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    Windows 11 & Android 13

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