SUGGESTION: Grouped Tabs

I don't have a good name for this (Grouped tabs? Dropdown? Dynamic?), but I keep thinking that I would like to have ONE tab which "contains" a number of resources. For example, a single tab where I can rotate through study bibles. I hate having 20 tabs open in a panel... and I really hate tabs of different lengths.

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Rosie Perera

Sounds like a good idea. Add it to Feedbear and I'd vote for it.

MJ. Smith

For example, a single tab where I can rotate through study bibles.

Isn't this what parallel resources does if you make a collection of the study Bibles you wish to have included? I NEVER have more than 5 tabs open in a panel unless it is a work panel for when I'm spinning through search results.

Dave Hooton

For example, a single tab where I can rotate through study bibles.

Isn't that Parallel Book sets (used to be called Parallel Resources)?

DMB

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1250503#Comment_1250503

Isn't this what parallel resources does

I decided to try it out ... I assume the 2 diagonal lines button.

Edited:

Looks like you have to be exactly on a milestone to get a match. In most of my tries it said no parallels available.

Looks like another few years, and I'll try again.

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :)

For example, a single tab where I can rotate through study bibles.

Curious about Multi-View opinion for having several study bibles open at the same time in one tab ?

Parallel Resource enhancement idea is an icon like Equivalent Books ~~ that can show/hide a row of book covers for clicking to change parallel resource.

FWIW: keyboard shortcuts are still usable for changing resource in a tab using parallel collection // parallel resources.

Keep Smiling [:)]

xnman

I don't have a good name for this (Grouped tabs? Dropdown? Dynamic?), but I keep thinking that I would like to have ONE tab which "contains" a number of resources. For example, a single tab where I can rotate through study bibles. I hate having 20 tabs open in a panel... and I really hate tabs of different lengths.

We had this in WordSearch... I gotta admit... it was handy. [8-|]

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1250522#Comment_1250522

JT and xnman,

Are you aware in Logos you can use the left and right arrow keys to cycle through commentaries in the same window? Kinda like the "carousel" feature in WordSearch. The order of the rotation is based on your prioritization order.

I suppose you could do the same with other types of resources e.g. dictionaries, Bibles, date-based devotionals, but I've only used it for commentaries.

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1250507#Comment_1250507

Looks like you have to be exactly on a milestone to get a match.

That doesn't match my experience. Were you using Study Bibles or some other group of resources? The positioning issues for Bible commentaries would be identical in any other implementation of this feature.

Looks like another few years,

Parallel resources is a very old feature - I thought it was in Libby but you'd know that better than I. I know it was in Logos 4 and see nothing that makes me think it was a new feature. It does require that you learn which resources it will work best with and which it does not.

DMB

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1250529#Comment_1250529

That doesn't match my experience.

I played around with it some more. Looks like it only works with the top-level TOC. If you're below the top-level, you're out of luck. In LSJ (lexicon, quite frequently, you're out of luck).

Additionally like in Demons (dictionary), it doesn't respect the selected index (eg english); it parallels on hebrew (or at least did for me).

In any event, it's definitley not a grouped tab alternative, I don't think anyway. Too iffy.

Dave Hooton

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1250528#Comment_1250528

Are you aware in Logos you can use the left and right arrow keys to cycle through commentaries in the same window?

These are the shortcuts for Parallel Resources in the toolbar!

JT (alabama24)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1250504#Comment_1250504

Isn't this what parallel resources does

Isn't that Parallel Book sets (used to be called Parallel Resources)?

There are a number of things I don't like about that solution:

I want to name the tab what I want to name it.
I want to move more quickly through the resources.
I used "study bibles" as an example, but I would want ANY book I want to be in that group, parallel or not.
I don't want the tab to change size.

This is what I want to fix... I hate this and always have:

Curious about Multi-View opinion for having several study bibles open at the same time in one tab ?

Apologies, but I have no use for multi-view whatsoever. I am not trying to see multiple resources at the same time, I am wanting to group multiple resources in the same panel and to be able to rotate through them.

Are you aware in Logos you can use the left and right arrow keys to cycle through commentaries in the same window?

I forget about this... and this is a feature I do want... but not with the "parallel" feature. I want more than that.

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1250514#Comment_1250514

Parallel Resource enhancement idea is an icon like Equivalent Books ~~ that can show/hide a row of book covers for clicking to change parallel resource.

Dreaming a bit of a parallel collection open in a tab, whose tab shows the collection name & has an icon that functions like Equivalent Books for changing which resource from the collection is in the tab. Current keyboard shortcuts (left & right arrows) should also be usable to change resource selection in the "tabbed" collection. Ideally a parallel collection could be open in more than one tab with each tab being able to select resource for display.

Keep Smiling [:)]

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1250541#Comment_1250541

I want to name the tab what I want to name it.

You're correct this requirement is not met; it represents a significant change in tab label conventions.

I want to move more quickly through the resources.

I don't think you're going to get anything faster than the 1 keyboard stroke

I used "study bibles" as an example, but I would want ANY book I want to be in that group, parallel or not.

You need to be more specific as to what behavior you want if there are not common indices.

I don't want the tab to change size.

You're correct this requirement is not met; it represents a significant change in tab conventions which has the potential to be highly disruptive to the UI.

I can see why this feature could be useful but as you define it, it isn't particularly helpful to me. If it were spinning through result lists - search, Factbook, or Guide section I could be interested.

Wolfgang Schneider

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1250541#Comment_1250541

There are a number of things I don't like about that solution:

I want to name the tab what I want to name it.

I want to move more quickly through the resources.

I used "study bibles" as an example, but I would want ANY book I want to be in that group, parallel or not.

I don't want the tab to change size.

This is what I want to fix... I hate this and always have:

So then, taking your screenshot sample, do you want these 8 (or whatever number of different type) resources to be combined into only 1 tab which you could name "{whatever}"?

To me this sounds almost like porting the "workspace layout" level functionality to a "panel" or even "tab" level. But then, how practical would that be, since I would only see a tab/panel "my idea 1", "my idea 2",etc. with one resource in it visible and would have to rely on my memory to recall what other resource is located in that tab/panel? How would I navigate to the other resources (e.g. by using left and right arrow keyboard keys)? What could I gain from such UI design?

xnman

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1250541#Comment_1250541

Isn't this what parallel resources does

Isn't that Parallel Book sets (used to be called Parallel Resources)?

There are a number of things I don't like about that solution:

I want to name the tab what I want to name it.

I want to move more quickly through the resources.

I used "study bibles" as an example, but I would want ANY book I want to be in that group, parallel or not.

I don't want the tab to change size.

This is what I want to fix... I hate this and always have:

I'm with you on this one JT.... Jolly Good Show!! In WordSearch... we could do this.... Hopefully Logos will listen.... it was a handy feature which I used.

Timothy Henderson

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1250541#Comment_1250541

Frank Hodges

Correct me if I'm wrong here JT, but the solution you're asking for is something like what's available in many web browsers right?
So essentially that you could create a tag called "Expository" and put, let's say for illustration purposes, a Study Bible, commentary, maybe an expository dictionary, and a few monographs in, and be able to press a little arrow on the tab and it show each of those resources right? That way you can have versified and nonversified resources on one tab? I'd love this as well. I think this is a great idea. Let's open a request!

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1250545#Comment_1250545

Parallel Resource enhancement idea is an icon like Equivalent Books ~~ that can show/hide a row of book covers for clicking to change parallel resource.

Dreaming a bit of a parallel collection open in a tab, whose tab shows the collection name & has an icon that functions like Equivalent Books for changing which resource from the collection is in the tab. Current keyboard shortcuts (left & right arrows) should also be usable to change resource selection in the "tabbed" collection. Ideally a parallel collection could be open in more than one tab with each tab being able to select resource for display.

In my Logos Library, Equivalent Books has 14 resources for the Lexham Hebrew Bible:

Equivalent Books shows Book Covers horizontally with abbreviated title => click on desired resource to change. Also can click ~~ to show/hide Equivalent Book list.

Keep Smiling [:)]

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1250610#Comment_1250610

I've never seen this Equivalent Book symbol. It seems to be available for some Bibles (e.g. NET) but not others (e.g. NKJV).

The three functions (last 3 icons on the tool bar in KS4J's screen shot) seem very similar:

1. Multi-book Display (two thick solid vertical lines): Show multiple books side by side (I use this as my standard layout setup).

2. Parallel Resources (two lighter vertical slanted lines)

3. Equivalent Books (two horizontal squiggly lines)

What's the difference between 2 and 3?

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1250611#Comment_1250611

2. Parallel Resources (two lighter vertical slanted lines)

3. Equivalent Books (two horizontal squiggly lines)

Equivalent books is used for resources that have the same text but presented in different ways. I've not seen books added to it for some time. Parallel resources can have different text (they usually do) but they share an index so they can be kept "in sync".

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1250620#Comment_1250620

The three functions (last 3 icons on the tool bar in KS4J's screen shot) seem very similar:

1. Multi-book Display (two thick solid vertical lines): Show multiple books side by side (I use this as my standard layout setup).

2. Parallel Resources (two lighter vertical slanted lines)

3. Equivalent Books (two horizontal squiggly lines)

Equivalent books is used for resources that have the same text but presented in different ways. I've not seen books added to it for some time. Parallel resources can have different text (they usually do) but they share an index so they can be kept "in sync".

Parallel resources are shown vertically (thumbnail & title) while Equivalent Books are arranged horizontal (cover & abbreviated title):

Keep Smiling [:)]

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1250624#Comment_1250624

Thanks MJ and KS4J!

JT (alabama24)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1250602#Comment_1250602

Correct me if I'm wrong here JT, but the solution you're asking for is something like what's available in many web browsers right?
So essentially that you could create a tag called "Expository" and put, let's say for illustration purposes, a Study Bible, commentary, maybe an expository dictionary, and a few monographs in, and be able to press a little arrow on the tab and it show each of those resources right? That way you can have versified and nonversified resources on one tab? I'd love this as well. I think this is a great idea. Let's open a request!

Yes. A different issue, but one I want just as well, is for the tabs to maintain a certain size... or probably a range of sizes, but for all the tabs to remain equal sized to one another in the panel.

JT (alabama24)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1250547#Comment_1250547

If it were spinning through result lists - search, Factbook, or Guide section I could be interested.

I'd be ok with that as well.

I don't think you're going to get anything faster than the 1 keyboard stroke

That wasn't what I was referencing. If the books I wanted were in the tab list and could be rotated through via the right and left key, that would be wonderful.

I don't want the tab to change size.

You're correct this requirement is not met; it represents a significant change in tab conventions which has the potential to be highly disruptive to the UI.

I think it is more precise to say that I want to tabs to always be equal in size (similar to how most all web browsers work).

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1250669#Comment_1250669

I don't think you're going to get anything faster than the 1 keyboard stroke

That wasn't what I was referencing. If the books I wanted were in the tab list and could be rotated through via the right and left key, that would be wonderful.

The one keyboard stroke on Windows is the right and left key ... I don't think you're going to get anything faster ...

I don't want the tab to change size.

You're correct this requirement is not met; it represents a significant change in tab conventions which has the potential to be highly disruptive to the UI.

I think it is more precise to say that I want to tabs to always be equal in size (similar to how most all web browsers work).

Yes, I understand but that leaves you with tabs that are not shown, that you see only by scrolling the tab bar. At the moment that does happen but I find it to be a real hassle I try to avoid. I think you'd find those that agree with you more quickly if you separated it from the issue of multiple resources in a tab. I have no idea what the majority opinion of users would be.

So basically, until I understand how you would handle the position of the resources in the tab if there is no common index, I'm not seeing why parallel resources doesn't meet your functional requirements.

JT (alabama24)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1250678#Comment_1250678

The one keyboard stroke on Windows is the right and left key ... I don't think you're going to get anything faster ...

Ahem:

If the books I wanted were in the tab list and could be rotated through via the right and left key, that would be wonderful.

Yes, I understand but that leaves you with tabs that are not shown, that you see only by scrolling the tab bar.

...which is where we are now. The only difference is that NOW the stupid tabs are different sizes.

until I understand how you would handle the position of the resources in the tab if there is no common index, I'm not seeing why parallel resources doesn't meet your functional requirements.

What does the first have to do with the second?

Here is a better example of how I would use it than "study bibles" (since those may or may not work with the parallel resource function). A student is taking three college courses. It would be great if "TAB A" could be Bible 350; "TAB B" could be THEO 400; and "TAB C" could be EVAN 200. All the textbooks for the three courses would "reside" in the appropriate tab.

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1250684#Comment_1250684

Here is a better example of how I would use it than "study bibles" (since those may or may not work with the parallel resource function). A student is taking three college courses. It would be great if "TAB A" could be Bible 350; "TAB B" could be THEO 400; and "TAB C" could be EVAN 200. All the textbooks for the three courses would "reside" in the appropriate tab.

Ah - you are asking for totally independent books in the same tab where each would open to where it was last closed? Not how I would arrange it -- I'd want different layouts reflecting the differences in how I worked through each class -- but I can see how others could want to arrange it that way. It was the independence of the books in the tab that I was missing what I handle with a Reading List. Thanks for bearing with me until I understood.

SineNomine

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1250686#Comment_1250686

Ah - you are asking for totally independent books in the same tab where each would open to where it was last closed?

I think JT is. And even if he isn't, I can see use cases for that.

JT (alabama24)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1250989#Comment_1250989

I think JT is. And even if he isn't, I can see use cases for that.

Thanks for bearing with me until I understood.

[Y]

Yes, completely different resource types.

It would be rare that I would want two textbooks visible at the same time... so they would be in different tabs. But I might want to flip through so many books and I don't want to keep openeing and closing them... so they are all in tabs. But I have (on the smaller side) 10 open... and the tabs are two hard to navigate... and the tabs keep changing size and location so there is absolutly no muscle memory.

John Goodman

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1250503#Comment_1250503

Isn't this what parallel resources does if you make a collection of the study Bibles you wish to have included? I NEVER have more than 5 tabs open in a panel unless it is a work panel for when I'm spinning through search results.

I really like that feature. If you prioritise resources it becomes super easy to work through them with left and right keyboard buttons too. I've almost stopped using tabs as a result.

skypeace

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1250522#Comment_1250522

We had this in WordSearch... I gotta admit... it was handy.

Yes, I thought I remembered that function which became quite an asset. Hope we have an equivalent to use something similar in Logos. Will be watching this thread and experimenting.