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What is Faithlife’s stance on users creating embeddings from Logos resources for personal use?
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John Bowling said:
What is Faithlife’s stance on users creating embeddings from Logos resources for personal use?
Not sure what this has to do with ChatGPT. Are you asking something about that? If not, perhaps a new thread would get the attention you need.
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John Bowling said:
What is Faithlife’s stance on users creating embeddings from Logos resources for personal use?
As you know, we offer print/export facilities, and you're free to use what you've exported, so long as you remain within copyright law.
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Mark Barnes (Faithlife) said:
As you know, we offer print/export facilities, and you're free to use what you've exported, so long as you remain within copyright law.
Thanks.
Rosie Perera said:Not sure what this has to do with ChatGPT. Are you asking something about that? If not, perhaps a new thread would get the attention you need.
It's part of OpenAI's API and is sort of an alternative to fine-tuning (and much more cost-effective). The chatGPT model isn't currently available in the API, but they announced that it will be soon. The text-davinci-003 model that is available does a good job (I haven't tried other completion models). A Logos user could create embeddings for a document or portion of a document and use that as part of the context for prompt engineering. And they could still manually use this for chatGPT I suppose. The results should be more consistent and useful for theme extraction, summarization, document comparison, etc, plus visualize the clusters.
I'll try to put together an example program that sends the embedding request and creates a dataframe that associates an embedding with a Logos url. So finding cosine similarity would (maybe) place the Logos url onto the user clipboard and allow them to pull up the relevant resource. I already have a Python example ready to go with the first part, but I've been trying to learn Rust recently and have a WIP on a library to communicate with the API. But I haven't looked into the latter aspect of associating an embedding with a Logos url... and glancing at Logos as I write this I see that I'm not as familiar with Logos links as I thought... Didn't there used to be a way to copy a link to a resource instead of copying the resource content? I don't see it in the context menu.
This would involve the user who creates the embedding also having to manually copy the Logos url on the first instance though and that might be too laborious a process to be practically useful.
(Btw, I think some of the mistakes people experienced could have been avoided by a simple prompt to avoid giving a response if chatGPT doesn't know - the documentation examples refer to this as "preventing hallucination". Just append something like "Answering to the best of your ability, and saying 'I don't know if you don't know'..." - I specifically tried this with your turtles example, Rosie, and chatGPT just said "I don't know" instead of "hallucinating." But this isn't guaranteed to work or to keep it from thinking it knows something based on its training data that it doesn't know.)
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John Bowling said:
(Btw, I think some of the mistakes people experienced could have been avoided by a simple prompt to avoid giving a response if chatGPT doesn't know - the documentation examples refer to this as "preventing hallucination". Just append something like "Answering to the best of your ability, and saying 'I don't know if you don't know'..." - I specifically tried this with your turtles example, Rosie, and chatGPT just said "I don't know" instead of "hallucinating." But this isn't guaranteed to work or to keep it from thinking it knows something based on its training data that it doesn't know.)
Thanks. That's helpful!
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John Bowling said:
Btw, I think some of the mistakes people experienced could have been avoided by a simple prompt to avoid giving a response if chatGPT doesn't know
That is true however, most of the garbage I get is when asking precise questions where chatGPT flip-flops between giving general answers that are so simplified as to be wrong and giving precise answers that are correct but incomplete. It seems to lack a sense of hierarchy of level of detail of resources. This does, however, certainly make the chat more realistic -- people are certainly prone to garbage in-garbage out.
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Brandon Early said:
Factbook is nice. But if you could somehow introduce and integrate Open AI ChatGPT in to Logos.
I would love it if Logos better understood the resources I own and become better at answering questions based on the resources I own.This would be INCREDIBLY valuable for the user.
AND become a BIG reason to purchase more resources.Oh, how this will make me lazy!
David
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I actually asked ChatGPT on their website the following question:
I have about 80GB of Bible Resources on my local SSD. Is there any way to train ChatGPT to work with that specific dataset?Yes, it is possible to fine-tune a language model like ChatGPT on a specific dataset like the Bible resources you have on your hard drive.
To do this, you can follow these steps:
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Convert your Bible resources into a format that can be used for fine-tuning. You can use a text format like plain text or JSON, and you should ensure that each text file contains a single verse or passage.
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Install the necessary libraries and tools to fine-tune the language model. You can use frameworks like Hugging Face's Transformers library or OpenAI's GPT-3 API to fine-tune a pre-trained language model like ChatGPT.
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Fine-tune ChatGPT on your Bible dataset by training it on the text files you prepared earlier. You can adjust the hyperparameters of the model and the training process to optimize the results.
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Evaluate the fine-tuned model to ensure that it is performing well on your Bible resources. You can use metrics like perplexity, accuracy, or F1-score to measure the performance of the model.
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Use the fine-tuned model to generate text based on prompts related to your Bible resources. You can use the model to answer questions, provide commentary, or generate new verses based on the text in your dataset.
It's important to note that fine-tuning a language model on a specific dataset requires a significant amount of computational resources and expertise. If you don't have experience with natural language processing or machine learning, it might be best to seek help from a data scientist or NLP expert.
Notice that the overhead to prepare a large resource library for use would be phenomenal. It would also take a steep learning curve to implement in a useful fashion. I don't have enough years left or dental surface to chew through such a project. But it would be awesome if Logos or someone with more resources than I could do that.
Step 1 is the deal killer.
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It should be kept in mind that chatGPT’s information about itself or its API is no more accurate than in regards to other areas. The only exception being when you run into the more hardcoded responses like “As a large language model…”. You can’t currently fine-tune the model that goes by chatGPT. They only just made it available in the API over the last week (gpt-3.5-turbo and gpt-3.5-turbo-0301). You can’t even fine-tune the ”last gen”(?) models like text-davinci-003. And the fine-tunable models were trained differently than chatGPT. The results are often significantly worse.
I took some time to put together some very high quality data of about 300 prompt/completion pairs and conditional generation samples. The documentation optimistically claims you might see useful results with ~500 examples. In my case, I got nothing useful out of it the fine-tuned model is still significantly worse than just vanilla gpt-3.5-turbo. The good news is gpt-3.5-turbo is cheap and they’ve said they will allow fine-tuning eventually (iirc).
I’m still working on a tool that might make it easier for users to make embeddings and but its still going to be a couple more weeks probably. I still haven’t had a chance to really look at Logos links… so I may just hit a roadblock there too.
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John Bowling said:
chatGPT’s information about itself or its API is no more accurate than in regards to other areas
It is easy enough to get the accurate information along with the cost at Pricing (openai.com)
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I am a student which uses ChatGPT to create my programs. Although I know ChatGPT gives nonsensical answers given it has a wide area of information, I hope that this will be different in the Bible. This because it basically is one central text which is expounded upon over and over. If I understand it correctly, it will try to create a consistent base and move changes more outward.
When this understanding is correct, training it to understand the Hebrew bible and later on on bible translations and patterns, it will modify its core to create a pattern of the Bible itself. It basically will create a tagging system like logos already has, but unfortunately it's hidden within the model itself and so not accessible. With this in place, adding commentaries expounding the bible would build upon this core and link it to topics outside of the bible. This means that questions about the Bible itself would be at the inner core and would have been heavily established. They will therefor highly likely be answered correctly. Surrounding questions might be less correct.
When commentaries would be added that make no sense and contradict the majority of commentaries, the content will most likely be ignored. So, I think that if Logos Bible software uses chatGPT, it would be the example of using chatGPT correctly.0 -
Agreed, I asked it some fairly straight forward questions, and checked its work. It basically manufactured quotes, and citations that werent real. Its too imaginative to use for serious research, study, or preaching prep at this point. It does generate some decent study questions though.Mark Barnes (Faithlife) said:Like most other forward-thinking tech companies, we're very engaged in thinking about how AI could improve our products and following all the advances closely. However, it's fair to say that while there have been many very impressive demos, OpenAI and others are still a long way off being able to offer reliable ChatGPT integration to companies like Faithlife, a very long way off from making that affordable, and a very, very long way off making it possible to customize for individuals.
It does ok with compare and contrast between two things - I still feel you have to know enough of the material to fact check it.Things like Compare and contrast the book "the insanity of God" with the book of "Ephesians".L2 lvl4 (...) WORDsearch, all the way through L10,
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re: tieskeda,
The field of biblical scholarship does not speak with a unified voice on most issues Christians probably care deeply about. That, and the fact that a diversity of voices/opinions are inherent to Large Language Models (LLMs) like ChatGPT.
re: abond,
Bing has done a decent job of getting it to cite sources (it's using GPT 4, which is now in preview for ChatGPT). But of course the ChatGPT you find on OpenAI's website can't, because it's trying to predict text with no base. It can only try to predict what should follow your prompt.
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This is a fast moving train - there are open source alternatives now being proposed that allow folks to personalize and train their own models.
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JH said:
This is a fast moving train - there are open source alternatives now being proposed that allow folks to personalize and train their own models.
Interesting, I hadn't seen this one. But it looks like it still wants you to pay for cloud computing. There are a couple others that allow you to run everything locally (OpenChatKit). But so far none of them have come close to the quality of GPT-3.5, let alone GPT 4.
Here is OpenChatKit and GPT-4 answers to the following prompt:
"Explain Augustine's view on the antipodes."
OpenChatKit
[quote]Augustine believed that the antipodes were inhabited by people who were different from us in both appearance and behavior. He believed that the antipodes were a place where people lived who were different from us in both appearance and behavior. He believed that the antipodes were a place where people lived who were different from us in both appearance and behavior.
GPT-4
[quote]St. Augustine of Hippo (354-430 AD) was an early Christian theologian and philosopher whose writings significantly influenced the development of Western Christianity and philosophy. Among his many works, one relevant to the topic of the antipodes is his book "De Civitate Dei" (The City of God). In this work, Augustine discusses various topics related to Christianity and its relationship with the world.
In the context of geography, "antipodes" refers to the idea of people or lands on the direct opposite side of the Earth, essentially referring to the idea that the Earth is a sphere and that there are inhabited lands on the opposite side of the known world. The term has its roots in Greek language, where "anti" means opposite and "podes" means feet.
Augustine's view on the antipodes was skeptical. He did not outright deny the possibility of their existence, but he believed that if such lands existed, they could not be inhabited by humans. This view was primarily based on his interpretation of the Bible. According to Augustine, the descendants of Adam and Eve, who were the first humans created by God, could not have reached the antipodes because of the vastness of the ocean that separates them from the known world. Augustine argued that humans could not have been created separately on the other side of the Earth, as it would contradict the Biblical account of human origins.
It is important to note that Augustine's view on the antipodes was a reflection of the limited knowledge of geography at that time. His skepticism was shared by many thinkers of his era, who could not imagine how humans could traverse such vast distances, especially across the ocean, to populate these distant lands. However, with the progress of science, the discovery of new lands, and the understanding of the Earth as a sphere, it became clear that Augustine's view on the antipodes was not accurate, as there are indeed inhabited lands on the opposite side of the Earth, such as Australia and New Zealand.
OpenChatKit's response is similar to results I got from fine-tuning gpt model Davinci, which is probably worse than just vanilla Davinci. I haven't had a chance to try fine-tuning OpenChatKit yet, but considering that you're starting from such a low base and the amount of effort it requires, it's probably still wiser to just wait till OpenAI allows fine-tuning higher models, or using embeddings, or waiting in general for the tech in general to improve.
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OpenAI is adding plugin support (https://platform.openai.com/docs/plugins/introduction/chat-plugins-limited-alpha), which looks like the most viable option for FaithLife doing some testing with if nothing else.
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I asked “Describe Toxic Behavior” and it gave me information that’s very similar to a book that’s currently in prepub 👍😃👌 Below is the ChatGPT article and here’s the link to the book: https://www.logos.com/product/248255/how-to-deal-with-toxic-people
Toxic behavior refers to actions, attitudes, and habits that are harmful or damaging to others, often with the intention of exerting power or control. It can take many forms and can be exhibited by individuals, groups, or entire cultures. Some examples of toxic behavior include:
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Verbal abuse: This includes yelling, name-calling, belittling, and insulting others. It can be used to manipulate or control others and can cause significant emotional harm.
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Gaslighting: Gaslighting is a form of emotional abuse that involves manipulating someone into questioning their own perceptions, memories, and sanity. It can be used to make someone doubt themselves or feel crazy.
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Manipulation: Manipulation involves using tactics such as guilt-tripping, playing the victim, or using emotional blackmail to get what one wants. It can be used to control others and can be very harmful.
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Intimidation: Intimidation involves using threats or physical force to get what one wants. It can be used to control others and can be very harmful.
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Passive-aggressiveness: Passive-aggressive behavior involves indirectly expressing anger or frustration, often through sarcasm or subtle insults. It can be used to manipulate others and can cause significant emotional harm.
Overall, toxic behavior is characterized by a lack of empathy and concern for others and a desire to exert power or control over others. It can be very damaging to individuals and communities and should be addressed and confronted when it occurs.
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DAL said:
I asked “Describe Toxic Behavior” and it gave me information that’s very similar to a book that’s currently in prepub 👍😃👌 Below is the ChatGPT article and here’s the link to the book: https://www.logos.com/product/248255/how-to-deal-with-toxic-people
Toxic behavior refers to actions, attitudes, and habits that are harmful or damaging to others, often with the intention of exerting power or control. It can take many forms and can be exhibited by individuals, groups, or entire cultures. Some examples of toxic behavior include:
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Verbal abuse: This includes yelling, name-calling, belittling, and insulting others. It can be used to manipulate or control others and can cause significant emotional harm.
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Gaslighting: Gaslighting is a form of emotional abuse that involves manipulating someone into questioning their own perceptions, memories, and sanity. It can be used to make someone doubt themselves or feel crazy.
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Manipulation: Manipulation involves using tactics such as guilt-tripping, playing the victim, or using emotional blackmail to get what one wants. It can be used to control others and can be very harmful.
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Intimidation: Intimidation involves using threats or physical force to get what one wants. It can be used to control others and can be very harmful.
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Passive-aggressiveness: Passive-aggressive behavior involves indirectly expressing anger or frustration, often through sarcasm or subtle insults. It can be used to manipulate others and can cause significant emotional harm.
Overall, toxic behavior is characterized by a lack of empathy and concern for others and a desire to exert power or control over others. It can be very damaging to individuals and communities and should be addressed and confronted when it occurs.
HELP!!! I THINK I AM MARRIED TO THAT PERSON!!!! lol [8-|]
xn = Christan man=man -- Acts 11:26 "....and the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch".
Barney Fife is my hero! He only uses an abacus with 14 rows!
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xnman said:DAL said:
I asked “Describe Toxic Behavior” and it gave me information that’s very similar to a book that’s currently in prepub 👍😃👌 Below is the ChatGPT article and here’s the link to the book: https://www.logos.com/product/248255/how-to-deal-with-toxic-people
Toxic behavior refers to actions, attitudes, and habits that are harmful or damaging to others, often with the intention of exerting power or control. It can take many forms and can be exhibited by individuals, groups, or entire cultures. Some examples of toxic behavior include:
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Verbal abuse: This includes yelling, name-calling, belittling, and insulting others. It can be used to manipulate or control others and can cause significant emotional harm.
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Gaslighting: Gaslighting is a form of emotional abuse that involves manipulating someone into questioning their own perceptions, memories, and sanity. It can be used to make someone doubt themselves or feel crazy.
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Manipulation: Manipulation involves using tactics such as guilt-tripping, playing the victim, or using emotional blackmail to get what one wants. It can be used to control others and can be very harmful.
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Intimidation: Intimidation involves using threats or physical force to get what one wants. It can be used to control others and can be very harmful.
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Passive-aggressiveness: Passive-aggressive behavior involves indirectly expressing anger or frustration, often through sarcasm or subtle insults. It can be used to manipulate others and can cause significant emotional harm.
Overall, toxic behavior is characterized by a lack of empathy and concern for others and a desire to exert power or control over others. It can be very damaging to individuals and communities and should be addressed and confronted when it occurs.
HELP!!! I THINK I AM MARRIED TO THAT PERSON!!!! lol
If you really think you are, it's not funny, and reaching out for help in an online forum is not likely to get you the help you need. Reach out to trusted local friends or pastor our counselor.
And if you are just joking, that's not funny either. Many people really are in relationships like this, and it can be scary and hard to get out. Of course the ideal should be to get help for the abusive person to change if one really did and does still love them, but I wouldn't keep myself in danger while that hopeful change is being worked on. Unfortunately many pastors/churches give advice contrary to this, forcing the abused person to forgive repeatedly and stay with the abuser, virtually ensuring a repeated cycle which can end tragically.
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Well shucks.... lol doesn't mean anything anymore.... I meant no offense.
xn = Christan man=man -- Acts 11:26 "....and the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch".
Barney Fife is my hero! He only uses an abacus with 14 rows!
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xnman said:
Well shucks.... lol doesn't mean anything anymore.... I meant no offense.
Listen xnman, it's offensive to not realize that everything is offensive 😉 [;)]
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Rosie Perera said:
And if you are just joking, that's not funny either. Many people really are in relationships like this, and it can be scary and hard to get out. Of course the ideal should be to get help for the abusive person to change if one really did and does still love them, but I wouldn't keep myself in danger while that hopeful change is being worked on. Unfortunately many pastors/churches give advice contrary to this, forcing the abused person to forgive repeatedly and stay with the abuser, virtually ensuring a repeated cycle which can end tragically.
Excellent advice.
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I have a question about ChatGPT, will it be Calvinistic Covenantal or Arminian Dispensational & What about eschatology...[:O]
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John Koontz said:
I have a question about ChatGPT, will it be Calvinistic Covenantal or Arminian Dispensational & What about eschatology...
Good Question. It may have a leaning, but the idea with ChatGPT is to give it a prompt that shows it which direction to think.
Example:
IF Billy Graham were alive and IF he would use ChatGPT he might use a prompt like this: Act as a Southern Baptist pastor and answer my questions."Any questions asked would receive answers in mostly the same lane as the Southern Baptist perspective. This is not flawless, but neither are we. ChatGPT is not the inspired word. ChatGPT is not Holy Spirit Illuminated. However, ChatGPT is like the internet, it is a tool to consider using and a tool to discern how to use.
I hope that is helpful.
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xnman said:
lol doesn't mean anything anymore
lol has never meant "free license to be offensive" nor is calling those offended "snowflake" anything but a lack of empathy. And, yes, I do believe that a highly visible group of people in the public realm try to police language in an extreme and inappropriate manner e.g. banning the use of "field" as in fieldwork and field of study because of its association with slavery. Having grown up on a ranch, far from cotton fields, I can safely say that is nonsense. The association of field with cotton field hence slavery is not sufficiently common to assume that the association is intended. It is rather a sign of the language police ignorance of rural life.
I wanted to say what Rosie said ... but she is so much better at not accidently offending than I.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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MJ. Smith said:xnman said:
lol doesn't mean anything anymore
lol has never meant "free license to be offensive" nor is calling those offended "snowflake" anything but a lack of empathy. And, yes, I do believe that a highly visible group of people in the public realm try to police language in an extreme and inappropriate manner e.g. banning the use of "field" as in fieldwork and field of study because of its association with slavery. Having grown up on a ranch, far from cotton fields, I can safely say that is nonsense. The association of field with cotton field hence slavery is not sufficiently common to assume that the association is intended. It is rather a sign of the language police ignorance of rural life.
I wanted to say what Rosie said ... but she is so much better at not accidently offending than I.
Hello Everyone, please post comments that are only, directly related to the feed you are commenting in or I will ask the admins to kick you out of this chat, and the entire forum.
Thank you for maintaining godly interaction and love for your brothers and sisters. Just because someone is offended doesn’t mean that person gets to respond offensively. Thanks in advance for your Christlike character.
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Brandon Early said:
Just because someone is offended doesn’t mean that person gets to respond offensively.
A person does not need to be offended themselves in order to "correct" their fellow Christian who may well not know that their terminology is offensive. I am forever grateful to the person who pointed out to me that the short form of Filipino that I had just used was offensive. In the 55 subsequent years I have not made the mistake again. I honestly hadn't known it was offensive. In the forums, we had a similar case when a user used an insulting British term for Catholics. They had simply seen it in early British theology and did not know it was both archaic and a deliberate insult. You are correct in reminding us to keep on topic - Faithlife products and their use. But I will defend Rosie's post very strongly as it seemed that the post to which she was responding was ignorant rather than deliberate. Were it deliberate, reporting it to the admins would have been appropriate.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Brandon Early said:
Hello Everyone, please post comments that are only, directly related to the feed you are commenting in or I will ask the admins to kick you out of this chat, and the entire forum.
Thank you for maintaining godly interaction and love for your brothers and sisters. Just because someone is offended doesn’t mean that person gets to respond offensively. Thanks in advance for your Christlike character.
Brandon, better get busy reporting. Kind of like stopping the earth, and watching all the people fall off ... there's a bunch. No need to thank me in advance.
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Rosie Perera said:
And if you are just joking, that's not funny either. Many people really are in relationships like this, and it can be scary and hard to get out. Of course the ideal should be to get help for the abusive person to change if one really did and does still love them, but I wouldn't keep myself in danger while that hopeful change is being worked on. Unfortunately many pastors/churches give advice contrary to this, forcing the abused person to forgive repeatedly and stay with the abuser, virtually ensuring a repeated cycle which can end tragically.
+1 [Y]
Thankful Celebrate Recovery & Life Recovery can be recommended for abuser & abused.
Keep Smiling [:)]
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Just for what its worth, as you seem to be new here. If you look under MJ's name you'll see a star. The stars are given by the admins to the "mvp" of the forum. Those who are the most helpful, basically those who consistently do the most for the community. To be fair, I've called MJ out on things in the past when I thought she needed it. Sometimes I wasn't right in my efforts. The people with the stars have them because of consistent selfless service to this community. MJ especially is quick to help. She has earned my respect.Brandon Early said:Hello Everyone, please post comments that are only, directly related to the feed you are commenting in or I will ask the admins to kick you out of this chat, and the entire forum.
In thise case I don't think she has done anything wrong.
You are writing in a very diverse forum. everyone from SDA to catholic. People whose first cultures are everywhere around the world, and many who are serving in a third cultural context, and communicating with us outside of their native culture and tongue.
the things that were said were intended to be funny, but in poor taste considering the global context of your audience.
Ultimately if you wouldn't say it to your wife's face, you shouldn't be saying it behind her back. If you wouldn't say it to his wifes face, you shouldn't be supporting him in saying it behind her back.
Furthermore calling people snowflakes is highly divisive. I feel like you owe at least two of the ladies in this group an apology. Both have too much class to ask for it. But as I think I've mentioned, I have no problems pointing at things and saying "thats wrong".
I fully expect when they read this that they will respond some variation of "there's no need to apologize". I digress.
Our enemy wins when we divide against ourselves. That goes for "edgy" jokes, as well as politics. Far too many people in churches these days see a politician or party as the savior. Worship them even. This kind of language is their mantra. stand firm against idolatry brothers. Double up on humility and love for the furtherance of the gospel.
lets get back to the point of this thread, which is talking about ways in which Logos could benefit from AI.
Someone earlier said you can tell it to respond as though it were a pastor in the sbc. I wonder how nuanced that could get? Could one say "respond to me as a reformed baptist"? would it have that level of granularity?L2 lvl4 (...) WORDsearch, all the way through L10,
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