Not Even Worth a Refund

A text-book of North-Semitic inscriptions: Moabite, Hebrew, Phoenician, Aramaic, Nabataean, Palmyrene, Jewish

This is my first encounter with scanned image books. $.99 and I sent it to the land of hidden disasters. I wouldn't even waste Customer Services's time.

Apparently there's a stack of images in 'Overview'. I can't see what's in them; thumbnails. OK. So I select one, and it shows up. I can't see how to get to the next one, except start all over ... squint to see if the image looks like the last one. They kind of look all alike.

If you're wondering 'Beginning of the Text' is indeed a black screen.

This on macOS Ventura. I'd think there'd be a scroll bar or arrows or something?

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ReformedDoc

I'm on a windows 11 machine but your first one will be black, but you should see arrows an the bottom right. Click the arrow and the next page should come into view.

ReformedDoc

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1254730#Comment_1254730

from overview to beginning text & use arrows at the bottom right.

Veli Voipio

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1254731#Comment_1254731

I bought it out of curiosity, and tested in the PC. Works in PC as John described.

DAL

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1254732#Comment_1254732

Odd resource for sure based on the resource overview:

Overview

These scanned pages offer the ability to explore content outside our normal Logos editions.

What exactly does that mean 🤨

HJ. van der Wal

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1254736#Comment_1254736

I do not own this resource but I did add a few of these facsimile resources to my library when they were freely available to Logos 6 (silver and higher?) users. Their usefulness is limited but at $0.99 it is still nice to have these resources available.

What exactly does that mean 🤨

For more information you can read the official announcement about the retirement of the books.logos.com site:

https://community.logos.com/forums/p/212475/1238674.aspx#1238674

ReformedDoc

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1254736#Comment_1254736

Odd resource for sure based on the resource overview:

Overview

These scanned pages offer the ability to explore content outside our normal Logos editions.

What exactly does that mean 🤨

These are books not available in the Logos format, meaning tagged & searchable. They are just scanned copies that you only have the capability to read.

DMB

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1254731#Comment_1254731

from overview to beginning text & use arrows at the bottom right.

Thank you for the example.

I think the Mac version might be missing the arrows. Or there's an arrow-setting somewhere. Having experienced the basic idea, this appears pretty half-baked, at least on the Mac. The re-size is on steroids. I'm not sure how download the pdf wouldn't achieve considerably more.

Nord Zootman

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1254746#Comment_1254746

I'm not sure how download the pdf wouldn't achieve considerably more.

Actually, out of curiosity I brought it up in the Internet Archives and was even able to search it there.

DMB

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1254751#Comment_1254751

Actually, out of curiosity I brought it up in the Internet Archives and was even able to search it there.

Agree.

I think the concept would be good if the execution were better (and the Mac version had arrows):

- For products that are very unlikely future digitalization candidates

- That have a good inter-play for already digitized books; even offer as a come-on

- And could include old mss's where a customer values quick access

- And the app were cleaned up a little. I'd of re-used the old images/maps viewer (assuming coding is not a mess)

And finally:

- They did a better job of describing what exactly is being sold (a lot of the titles are displayed the same).

As an example, I very much doubt Patrologia Syriaca (many imaged already) will ever be blessed by digitalizing. But if you already have greek and latin, a quick Syriac look will well worth it. Maybe buy a stack of them. But not as delivered currently.

ReformedDoc

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1254746#Comment_1254746

do the arrows on the top right hand corner function?

DMB

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1254797#Comment_1254797

I assume your image-draw-over is corraling the two history arrows (looks like). If so, those work; and the dropdown lists where you've been.

In the locator bar are the up/down arrows (with Article as the only choice). Interestingly, they work, in the sense of adding a page to the history. There's just no display of the next page, after a few clicks (screencopy below). Absent knowing the code, that behavior would be typical of a image buffer overload. But pure speculation.

Anyway, thanks for the additional idea.

ReformedDoc

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1254798#Comment_1254798

Makes no sense that they would release it in Mac with no proper way to navigate.[^o)]

danwdoo

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1254740#Comment_1254740

These are books not available in the Logos format, meaning tagged & searchable. They are just scanned copies that you only have the capability to read.

Seems like a perfect opportunity for Logos to leverage the print library feature to make these more useful! These could be automatically added if detected in your library so they would become searchable. Seem like a no brainer to me and I doubt it would even take much effort on Faithlife's part.

Liam

I recently picked up another resource like this, Philip Doddridg’s Family expositor. However the scanned images are done so terribly that most pages are unreadable.

ReformedDoc

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1254807#Comment_1254807

I recently picked up another resource like this, Philip Doddridg’s Family expositor. However the scanned images are done so terribly that most pages are unreadable.

I see they have this.

https://www.logos.com/product/20427/the-works-of-rev-philip-doddridge

DAL

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1254817#Comment_1254817

I recently picked up another resource like this, Philip Doddridg’s Family expositor. However the scanned images are done so terribly that most pages are unreadable.

I see they have this.

https://www.logos.com/product/20427/the-works-of-rev-philip-doddridge

Link activated

Liam

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1254817#Comment_1254817

Yes John, they’ve had that one up for years now. It’s my hope that Jonathan Edwards favorite commentary will eventually make it into the Logos offerings.. but almost no progress for the last 5 years or more. And then even if it did get through CP, then starts the long years long process of prepub.. I’ve all but lost hope in this one.

DMB

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1254845#Comment_1254845

I’ve all but lost hope in this one.

That's one of the big problems with Faithlife's vast publishing empire ... hidden gems remain hidden.

For the hymn enthusiasts, his compositions were endless (almost). And knew Isaac Watts (close overlap). Then, for historians, sermons at funerals. Of course, not to forget the theological value.

A good site:

https://stumblingstonepress.com/the-family-expositor-republishing-philip-doddridges-classic-devotional-new-testament/

And from that site, his notes/commentary. Quite interesting.

Liam

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1254847#Comment_1254847

Ah thanks DMB. Yes. Hoping it’ll eventually get typeset and released as a good modern several volume set (I’ve been dabbling in doing it myself), but I’m not sure if it’ll ever happen.. time will tell..

Bradley Grainger (Logos)

I can't see how to get to the next one, except start all over

On Windows, there are navigation arrows in the bottom right. Perhaps these aren't present on macOS? I've asked the team if this is a platform parity issue.

If you turn on the Locator Bar (using the panel menu) then you should see up and down arrows that will let you move through the pages.

DMB

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1255249#Comment_1255249

Yes, each of your suggestions were discussed above ... macOS not showing the arrows, plus the locator bars yielding a blank screen, after several clicks.

But appreciate your reminders, for others.

Bradley Grainger (Logos)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1255269#Comment_1255269

Yes, each of your suggestions were discussed above

Right you are; I didn't read the discussion thoroughly enough.