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Good day all how doe we use this feature, when I do a passage guide on mobile it does not have so much cross reference as when I have the Treasury of Scripture open as tab. Is this normal.
Is this normal.
Yes, on the desktop the cross-references are divided into two sections - the top includes links to you cross-reference books such as NTSK; the bottom contains cross-references from your Bibles. A second guide section Important Passages includes cross-references drawn from the commentaries.
Would someone who owns the New Treasury of Scriptural Knowledge either Revised or not....please look at the title plage and tell us how many thousand Scripture reverences and parallel passages it consists of?
Thanks.
The New Treasury of Scripture Knowledge by Jerome H. Smith Publisher: Thomas Nelson, 1992 has approximately 4000 references from what I remember.
something wrong with this picture...... surely the new is more than the old....?
oh wow
As far as I can see the New Treasury of Scriptural Knowledge doesn't have a similar statement on the title page.
What it does state - further on - is:
'I have added over 100,000 new cross-references and supplied many more key words to the Bible text, making this the most complete collection of biblical cross-references ever published.'
Jerome H. Smith, The New Treasury of Scripture Knowledge: The Most Complete Listing of Cross References Available Anywhere- Every Verse, Every Theme, Every Important Word (Nashville TN: Thomas Nelson, 1992)."
Would someone who owns the New Treasury of Scriptural Knowledge either Revised or not....please look at the title plage and tell us how many thousand Scripture reverences and parallel passages it consists of? As far as I can see the New Treasury of Scriptural Knowledge doesn't have a similar statement on the title page. What it does state - further on - is: 'I have added over 100,000 new cross-references and supplied many more key words to the Bible text, making this the most complete collection of biblical cross-references ever published.' Jerome H. Smith, The New Treasury of Scripture Knowledge: The Most Complete Listing of Cross References Available Anywhere- Every Verse, Every Theme, Every Important Word (Nashville TN: Thomas Nelson, 1992)."
Thanks Graham. 100.000 new references seems worthwhile. I was trying to make a logical judgement on buying it or not. Thanks again!
Well.... I have used The Treasury of Scripture Knowledge a long time. One of the things i enjoyed about it was that it was, in general, just a cross reference book and was good at that. Yes, there were some commentary in this one, but overall it was a small amount.
So, I purchased The New Treasury of Scripture Knowledge.... and I am very disappointed in it because in this one the author decided to do a lot more "commentary" which almost makes the book a commentary instead of a cross reference. And it looks like, to me anyway, that most likely most of the "new stuff" is the author's commentary. Tomorrow I will try to return this one.... Cross reference should be cross reference and not commentary. Imho.
I can only imagine what the "Ultimate" might be like and that it would be more disappointment for me. So I'll quit while I'm ahead...
But that's my 2 cents. [8-|]
I'm not seeing that ... can you show an example of what you mean? I don't want to mislead people when asked the difference. It is my understanding from the author and the Logos blurb that there are "nearly 100,000 new cross-references". In my sampling I found several new entries.
Just peruse the two books..... it's apparent.
I am returning TNTOSK.... done with that.
One thing about Logos ... Their support is awesome. Book returned.
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For those that to not have the books to peruse can you provide some examples as MJ requested? Otherwise, all you have done is to restate your opinion. You have not offered any evidence.
Just peruse the two books..... it's apparent. For those that to not have the books to peruse can you provide some examples as MJ requested? Otherwise, all you have done is to restate your opinion. You have not offered any evidence.
Sorry but I no longer can do that. I returned TNSK and got my money back. But I did go through a lot of both of them when I did compare them and it was blatantly apparent that TNSK was more of a commentary than a cross reference.... imho...
The most significant feature of the Treasury is its nearly exhaustive collection of cross-references. These references are the source of its enduring usefulness to every Bible student. Therefore it has been to the cross-references themselves that the greatest effort has been given in this new edition to make this excellent reference tool even more usable to the modern reader and student of the Bible. I have added over 100,000 new cross-references and supplied many more key words to the Bible text, making this the most complete collection of biblical cross-references ever published.
Jerome H. Smith, The New Treasury of Scripture Knowledge: The Most Complete Listing of Cross References Available Anywhere- Every Verse, Every Theme, Every Important Word (Nashville TN: Thomas Nelson, 1992).
TSK on John 3:16
16 God. Lu. 2:14. Ro. 5:8. 2 Co. 5:19–21. Tit. 3:4. 1 Jno. 4:9, 10, 19. gave. ch. 1:14, 18. Ge. 22:12. Mar. 12:6. Ro. 5:10; 8:32. that whosoever. ver. 15. Mat. 9:13. 1 Ti. 1:15, 16.
NTSK on John 3:16
16. God. Je 31:3. Lk 2:14. Ro ✓5:8. 2 Co *5:19-21. Ep *2:4-7. 2 Th 2:16. Ti *3:4-7. 1 J 3:1. ✓4:9, 10, 14, 19. Re 1:5. loved. ƒ96C1, Ge +4:1. world. Gr. kosmos, Mt +4:8. Jn +*1:9, 29. 4:42. ✓ƒ121J8. Metonymy of the Subject B576. The world is put for its inhabitants, affirmed by some to denote without distinction but not without exception. See related notes and figures listed at Ge 24:10n. For other instances of this figure see Jn 7:4. Ac 17:31. 2 Co *5:19. 1 J ✓2:2. 5:19. Re 12:9. gave. ƒ96C1, Ge +4:1. Jn 1:14, 18. Ge 22:12. Is +*9:6. Mk 12:6. Ro 5:10. ✓8:32. only. ver. 18. Jn 1:14. Ge 22:2, +=12. Lk ◐+7:12. begotten. Gr. monogenes, S#3439g, Lk +7:12. lit. the only one of a family, unique of its kind. Monogenes, applied to Jesus, expresses the unique and eternal relationship of the Son to the Father. As firstborn does not mean born first (Col 1:15n), neither does only begotten imply a begetting, birth, or origin in time. In His preexistence, Jesus was always uniquely the Son of God (Ps 2:7. Is +*9:6. He 1:8). When used of Christ, only begotten speaks of “unoriginated relationship.” Only begotten “indicates that as the Son of God He was the sole representative of the Being and character of the One who sent Him” (Vine, Expository Dictionary, vol. 3, p. 140). It is a word picture which portrays the relationship of the Father to the Son in the terms of a Middle Eastern patriarchal family (Ge ✓21:12. 22:2, 12, 16. He 11:17). Isaac, termed Abraham’s only begotten son (He 11:17), though Abraham had a prior son Ishmael by Hagar (Ge 16:15) and later sons by Keturah (Ge 25:1-4. 1 Ch 1:32, 33), sustains a unique relationship to Abraham as the son of promise (Ga 4:23). The same picture, portrayed in parable (Mt 21:37), emphasizes the unique authority of Jesus as sent by the Father (Jn 20:21. 1 J 4:9), and our responsibility to receive the truth declared by Him (Jn 1:14, 18. 3:18. Mt 17:5). 1 J ◐5:18. Son. ver. 35. Jn +5:25. Is +*9:6. that whosoever. ver. 15. Mt *9:13. 1 Ti *1:15, 16. Re 22:17. believeth. “In the New Testament, when belief is said to lead to eternal life, as is the case here, the tense expressing continuous action is always used while the tense expressing a single action is never used. The stress is thus placed on a continuous faith rather than on an isolated moment of faith. Never in these passages expressing belief in eternal life is one’s eternal security said to be guaranteed by a single, isolated act of faith” (George Allen Turner and Julius R. Mantey, The Gospel According to John, p. 99, who for the final sentence, given as footnote 20, cite E. A. Mills, “Terms for Belief in John’s Gospel”; thesis in Asbury Theological Seminary, 1952). See related notes (Mt 24:13n. Ga 2:20n. 1 Ti 4:1n. He 6:4n, 6n, 9n. 1 J 5:13). T#865. ver. *18, *36. Jn ✓1:12. +4:39. +5:44. 6:35, ✓47. 12:46. 20:29. Is 28:16. 45:22. Mt 11:28. Mk 9:23. Lk 7:50. Ac *10:43. ✓16:31. Ro ✓1:16. *4:5. 9:33. 10:4. Ga 3:7, 9, 22. Ep ✓2:8-10. 1 Ti 4:10. He *6:12. 10:38, 39. 1 P 2:4-6. in him. Jn 15:4. 16:33. 1 J 5:12, 20. should not. The use of “should” confuses some English readers here because the English word “should” connotes a degree of doubtfulness, as if the text said “should not perish, but maybe he will.” The Greek text contains no such connotation here; “should” has no directly corresponding equivalent word in the underlying Greek text, but is used in rendering the verb “perish,” to represent the subjunctive mood (aorist tense, middle voice, third person singular) of the original. The subjunctive mood in Greek does not express, as in English, doubtfulness or “conditions contrary to fact,” and can be used, in fact, in the strongest possible antithesis to doubtfulness in strong denial (subjunctive aorist with ou mee), as in He 13:5; Mt 5:18; Mk 14:25. See related notes listed at Ga 3:14n. perish. Gr. apollumi, Mt +2:13. Jn +*10:28. Lk +*19:10. 23:35. 2 P ✓3:9. everlasting. Gr. aionios, Mt +18:8.
Thanks PL. It shows the need for a representative sample as this is not what I saw in the twelve prophets. Note that getting the count from a Passage list, the number of cross-references went from 17 to 107 ...
The top one is not common, but some areas to have more commentary than other....but it definitely has majority of references as opposed to a minimum of commentary.
Given 23,000 verses in the bible, it would only take about 4 new references per verse to make 100,000 new references.
I use the Ultimate Cross Reference Treasury in e-Sword and it does seem like a big improvement over the old TSK. Both the New and Ultimate are by Jerome Smith.
Personally, I for one, was disappointed with the Revised New Treasury of Scripture Knowledge. What I found was that while the author did add many new references he also took the Treasury of Scripture Knowledge and added many of his "commentaries of scripture" and called them new references. I was looking for a cross-reference work.... not another commentary. And because he added his own commentary to many verses.... I would not recommend the book.
Just my 2 cents.... [8-|]
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