L/V 10+ Tip of the Day #215 Match all forms

MJ. Smith
MJ. Smith MVP Posts: 53,407
edited November 21 in English Forum

Another tip of the day (TOTD) series for Logos/Verbum 10. They will be short and often drawn from forum posts. Feel free to ask questions and/or suggest forum posts you'd like to see included. Adding comments about the behavior on mobile and web apps would be appreciated by your fellow forumites. A search for "L/V 10+ Tip of the Day site:community.logos.com" on Google should bring the tips up as should this Reading List within the application.

This tip is inspired by the forum post: Bible search (boolean) - no results - Logos Forums.

When searching a text with lemmas tagged, match/combine all forms can reliably gather all forms under the common lemma. When the text does not have lemmas tagged, match all forms is dependent upon a parsing routine that tries to determine the lemma under which to gather all related forms. However, rare, archaic, or irregular forms may not be recognized by the parsing routine which may generate results that are not what you expected. One can use the Concordance tool to check your assumptions.

MJ. Smith said:

The concordance function shows you exactly what forms are treated as "match all forms". Irregular forms such as the s/z change frequently are not matched. Full function concordance builders allow the user to specify that words be combined i.e. the user could request that baptize/baptism be combined.

Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."

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  • Dave Hooton
    Dave Hooton MVP Posts: 35,770

    MJ. Smith said:

    When searching a text with lemmas tagged, match all forms can reliably gather all forms under the common lemma. When the text does not have lemmas tagged, match all forms is dependent upon a parsing routine that tries to determine the lemma under which to gather all related forms.

    "Match All Word Forms will find all word forms of the chosen modern word..."      
      ...    
      ...    
    "If Match forms  is selected, then all forms of the word will be found. As a result, typing love will match love, loves, loved, loving, lover, lovers.

    Note: This is an algorithmic process, and while it is mostly quite accurate, it will sometimes match similar words that are unrelated to the query, or may result in archaic or obscure forms of a word not being matched."   Logos Help. (2022). Faithlife --> underline is my emphasis

    So Match all forms.does not apply to lemmas, and the algorithm is designed for use with English (manuscript) words.

    (The above quotes show that the Help document is not using the current wording: Match all forms.)

    Dave
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  • MJ. Smith
    MJ. Smith MVP Posts: 53,407
    https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1260598#Comment_1260598

    You are quite correct. I was sloppily trying to combine both the "match" and the "combine" processes of the algorithm in a way that users may find confusing. Thank you.

    Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."

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