Where Logos is Headed
If you’ve been paying attention, you may have noticed some slight changes in the Logos app and here in the forums, starting with a new blue Logos logo. This is representative of more expansive changes for us as a company—changes that help us refocus on our vision to increase biblical literacy for every Christian around the world.
Many of our teams have been working for well over a year now on plans to bring the Logos brand back to the forefront. Today, I’ll share the big picture of what that means for the future of Logos.
1. Focus
This sentence is the foundation for all we’re doing:
Logos exists to empower believers everywhere to go deeper in their Bible study through a fusion of biblical content and powerful technology, because we believe a deeper relationship with God comes through knowing the Word.
In short, we’re refocusing on what we do best—serving you by building technology that empowers you for deeper study in God’s Word.
2. Growth
Returning to what we do best implies something important: we’re giving renewed attention to things that are at the heart of our vision. First and foremost, this means we’re continuing our commitment to improving and expanding the Logos app so it meets the needs of Christians around the world. In addition, we’re going to continue publishing world-class, Bible-focused content through Lexham Press. We will also keep developing Proclaim as part of the sermon creation and delivery workflow.
In addition to what we’ll continue, we also have our eyes on broadening the Logos platform while staying true to our core focus on Bible study. One key thing we’ve already done is expand globally (Logos 10 is available in eight languages), and we will continue to make Logos available, accessible, and affordable internationally. We are also working to better support seminaries, academics, and students with the Logos platform. We’ve built out our academic offerings quite a bit already, but we can and will do more to earn and deepen trust among seminaries and Bible colleges. And we will always look for ways to expand our reach to continue serving new users looking to go deeper in their knowledge of the Word.
3. What this means for you
You won’t see a lot of changes right away. I’ve already noted our new logo and the accompanying color changes. Beyond that, you’ll notice we’ve changed the name of the Logos app to “Logos Bible Study App” to better reflect how brands talk about apps.
The other big change you may notice is that your Faithlife account is now a Logos account. Your login credentials aren’t changing, so the only difference is the login screen.
If you’re wondering about what to call us as a company, we’re Logos. Our legal entity remains Faithlife, but you won’t see it much. The brand you’ll see and engage with will be Logos, and we’ll be nesting new and refreshed products—some that started as Faithlife products—within the Logos brand.
We’re grateful to have the opportunity to serve each of you. Thank you for going on this journey with us. Please don’t hesitate to reach out if there’s anything we can do to help you: logos.com/contact or email me directly at vik@logos.com.
We’re doing all of this because we believe that a deeper relationship with God comes through a deeper knowledge of his Word.
Onward—to the next 30 years,
Vik
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Congratulations! Everything that comes in the direction of expanding and improving is welcome. One suggestion from my experiences with Logos is to look beyond the technology. What I mean is that technology is just a machine doing calculations according to what it was programmed to do. Relationships are more important because without them there will be no technology, without speaking a single language there will be no technology and no users for it. Logos fails to have information that we often need, this needs to be seen and simplified as much as possible. People like simple and objective things, that's a fact. When a user needs information, the attendants don't always have it or it's not always easy to find or they simply don't exist, at least that's what they gave me when I asked for the list of resources within a Logos package that was no longer sold. It seems like they make the cake and then throw the recipe away. All I want is to look for something and find it where it belongs. If I go to an ice cream parlor, I want to find ice cream in different flavors and the traditional ones cannot be missing. If I go to the bakery the same way I want to find bread... Anyway, I hope I have cooperated for some growth in Logos...
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Having been with you since logos 1 on floppy disk days, in a fast paced world where data is power and currency, the singular direction of move to more online/cloud only features has always concerned me.
When persecution comes my fear is sadly Logos may despite the thousands I have invested become a useless paperweight, and a foolish investment gone in the ether, and all that data maybe compromised too
My biggest fear is your services being permanently "unavailable" as they are often to me, (I don't permanently connect to the internet), version by version a lot of your SaaS requires more and more connectivity even for basic functionality.
While, yes, I am marginally paranoid, to the extent of routinely encrypting probably 60+% of data I know is headed to your server.
It is a matter of record I have always been against this over-reliance on DBaaS/SaaS and Server side processing, and am unlikely to change my tune anytime soon, but I truly look forward to what the future brings, however, am sadly resigned to even less offline functionality in the trade offNever Deprive Anyone of Hope.. It Might Be ALL They Have
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Vik Rajagopal said:
we can and will do more to earn and deepen trust among seminaries and Bible colleges
I am glad to hear this!
Vik Rajagopal said:renewed attention to things that are at the heart of our vision. First and foremost, this means we’re continuing our commitment to improving and expanding the Logos app so it meets the needs of Christians around the world.
Love the idea of renewed attention to making Logos better.
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I like what I've seen over the last 18 months - both the refocusing on the key product and the commitment to squashing of bugs. I've been impressed with the effort that has gone into new designs and the attention to the non-expert user. My top two concerns going forward:
- please broaden your focus to ensure you support liberal, progressive, liturgical, international, and non-traditional Christian Churches. It improves the product for everyone not just members of those traditions.
- please set aside time to work on data correction and incomplete data issues. Many great features remain essentially unusable because of incomplete data.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Although you may have a plain and simple reason for presenting this information to forum followers, I'm a bit mystified as to your motivation and timing for this announcement. Are we about to see a hard pivot on any of the three areas you identified? Do you have plans to substantially affect the product line?Vik Rajagopal said:If you’ve been paying attention, you may have noticed some slight changes in the Logos app and here in the forums, starting with a new blue Logos logo. This is representative of more expansive changes for us as a company—changes that help us refocus on our vision to increase biblical literacy for every Christian around the world.
Many of our teams have been working for well over a year now on plans to bring the Logos brand back to the forefront. Today, I’ll share the big picture of what that means for the future of Logos.
1. Focus
This sentence is the foundation for all we’re doing:
Logos exists to empower believers everywhere to go deeper in their Bible study through a fusion of biblical content and powerful technology, because we believe a deeper relationship with God comes through knowing the Word.
In short, we’re refocusing on what we do best—serving you by building technology that empowers you for deeper study in God’s Word.
Something you didn't mention that appears to be a welcome focus of revision is the software's search facility. In addition to this the software's ability to present maps and graphics would be a welcome area of focus for improvement.
Also, broadening the software's capacity on the mobile app is another area that would benefit users. Thanks for your interest in keeping us informed.
Meanwhile, Jesus kept on growing wiser and more mature, and in favor with God and his fellow man.
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You are a smart man! Please 🙏 improve graphics to match or be better than the competition! With Accordance graphics, you can click on an image, and it automatically enlarges the image in a separate pop up window. Even Olive Tree which I started using recently does the same thing.
Logos/Libronix used to do the same, now it doesn’t (only a handful of images do that). Why Logos stopped doing that and neglected their images/graphics I don’t know, but it was definitely a bad idea.
If you could bring back the ability to click on an image and have the image become bigger in a pop up window that would put you light years ahead of the competition, but until then, myself and others included will continue to invest in other apps so we can get what we used to have with you guys before.
Anyway, hope you can reconsider this 👍😁👌 Keep up the good work!
DAL
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I totally agree. In the past, I bought the Glow Bible, there were 4 CDs, to install it, an internet connection was required. They just closed and let me down, without even presenting an offline installer, today I have the software and it doesn't install. In fact, someone managed to crack it to be able to use it and if I want to install it today, it has to be cracked, unfortunately. I tried to get in touch and there was never a response, the communication channels were completely closed. Now imagine my fear since I am not North American. I firmly believe that Logos should provide a way for us to have a secure offline copy or something. There is still the problem that many features only work online. Complicated.
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I give a million votes for this. Logos is too small in its graphics tool. I cannot measure a direct distance from one place to another on the map and stick to the mark on the screen. I would like to use the maps that come in the books too instead of the one online. If it's not online it won't work. Actually Accordance is much better than Logos in this regard.
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Beloved Amodeo said:
Although you may have a plain and simple reason for presenting this information to forum followers, I'm a bit mystified as to your motivation and timing for this announcement. Are we about to see a hard pivot on any of the three areas you identified? Do you have plans to substantially affect the product line?
Good point. It is a bit of a mystery. Maybe it's just boilerplate for wide distribution.
The problem with mystery messages, they just induce questions. Is Verbum leaving. Or Verbum site. Or.
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Beloved Amodeo said:
I'm a bit mystified as to your motivation and timing for this announcement.
My assumption (and nothing more) was that the (a) change in naming of the product/logo just released and (b) the June 30 cutoff for several products and (c) the change of name in the login made this a time when a reminder to much that has been said before, be repeated. Think of it as staving off a slew of questions for people who missed or don't remember previous announcements. I still expect the first week of July to bring many questions about naming and functions that no longer work.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Seems like sense. Yet the problem is that save your assertion (a) none of these points are explicitly stated. I want that Vik make himself plain.MJ. Smith said:Beloved Amodeo said:I'm a bit mystified as to your motivation and timing for this announcement.
My assumption (and nothing more) was that the (a) change in naming of the product/logo just released and (b) the June 30 cutoff for several products and (c) the change of name in the login made this a time when a reminder to much that has been said before, be repeated. Think of it as staving off a slew of questions for people who missed or don't remember previous announcements. I still expect the first week of July to bring many questions about naming and functions that no longer work.
Edit:I'm sorry (c) is also highlighted. So, even more persuasive.
Meanwhile, Jesus kept on growing wiser and more mature, and in favor with God and his fellow man.
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Seems like sense. Yet the problem is that save your assertion (a) none of these points are explicitly stated. I want that Vik make himself plain.MJ. Smith said:Beloved Amodeo said:I'm a bit mystified as to your motivation and timing for this announcement.
My assumption (and nothing more) was that the (a) change in naming of the product/logo just released and (b) the June 30 cutoff for several products and (c) the change of name in the login made this a time when a reminder to much that has been said before, be repeated. Think of it as staving off a slew of questions for people who missed or don't remember previous announcements. I still expect the first week of July to bring many questions about naming and functions that no longer work.
Edit: This is a duplicate post that I tried to delete. Pay it no mind!
Meanwhile, Jesus kept on growing wiser and more mature, and in favor with God and his fellow man.
International Standard Version. (2011). (Lk 2:52). Yorba Linda, CA: ISV Foundation.
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Vik Rajagopal said:
we’re refocusing on what we do best—serving you by building technology that empowers you for deeper study in God’s Word
Brilliant! Exactly right.
Vik Rajagopal said:we’re continuing our commitment to improving and expanding the Logos app so it meets the needs of Christians around the world
Thank you. That's what it's all about. And thanks for including us who live on the other side of the world.
Vik Rajagopal said:The brand you’ll see and engage with will be Logos
Love it! "Logos" is the known brand. Makes it easier for us to promote.
We appreciate the way you keep developing this tech to empower all who study God's revelation of himself to us.
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Bravo! It is refreshing to read vision being cast!
If I may suggest a few things that I hope get some love in the focusing effort.
The Atlas has so, so, so much potential. It was off to a great start in the early days of Logos but is not very compelling. Accordance, though they have not changed their mapping module in many years, is still light years ahead. I use it all the time. Can the Atlas be reimagined in your roadmap of the future?
Similarly with graphics. The graphics viewer seems so clumsy. It would be great to see photos tagged with the map that you could see them in context. Would it be possible to start with a blank piece of paper and redesign something from the ground up?
Last, one of the most exciting things back in version 2 was archeology resources. Can someone build a big bridge back to Biblical Archaeology Review? Having their magazine as part of our journals was awesome. Even to this day, their issues pop up in my cited by tool, giving me fascinating insights into passages of scriptures from recent discoveries. I think I read there is an archeology data set in development and I am really looking forward to this. The connections to things being published on today brings another level of life and excitement to studies.
I suggest these on the basis that visuals has become so much part of our culture. I love the data sets, but would it be possible to work on Logos also being visually impactful when it comes to studies, beyond just a collection of static cards and advertisements? Seeing a picture, a map, a timeline, really adds to the learning process. Maybe the home page should be more geared towards being a launch pad or dashboard of studies to workspaces, graphics, maps, etc?
Keep up the great work! I love the speed, stability and the refinements you have made in version 10. Logos for Mac has come a very, very long way!
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Vik Rajagopal said:
Today, I’ll share the big picture of what that means for the future of Logos.
Thanks for taking the time to share with us directly Vik. This message could have been delivered by others under you, but your willingness to engage with your users yourself is commendable.
It's also helpful for us to see the big picture. Good to know that Logos isn't aimless as it moves forward! Moreover, those who are on the forum regularly aren't just here because they don't have anything better to do, but because they care about software, and perhaps more importantly, care about the people using it. For us to be able to make suggestions and give feedback to Logos, it's so important that we know what you are trying to achieve. I'm grateful we have some more insight into that now.
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Donovan R. Palmer said:
Can someone build a big bridge back to Biblical Archaeology Review?
I second this wholeheartedly!
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Glad to hear of the refocus. Glad, Vik, to see you posting as it encourages us long time users and investors. Reading through all the threads may be tedius, but there are users with brilliant suggestions which surely will enhance the main focus.
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DAL said:
You are a smart man! Please 🙏 improve graphics to match or be better than the competition! With Accordance graphics, you can click on an image, and it automatically enlarges the image in a separate pop up window. Even Olive Tree which I started using recently does the same thing.
Logos/Libronix used to do the same, now it doesn’t (only a handful of images do that). Why Logos stopped doing that and neglected their images/graphics I don’t know, but it was definitely a bad idea.
If you could bring back the ability to click on an image and have the image become bigger in a pop up window that would put you light years ahead of the competition, but until then, myself and others included will continue to invest in other apps so we can get what we used to have with you guys before.
Anyway, hope you can reconsider this 👍😁👌 Keep up the good work!
DAL
Yes! More layman tools, interactives, etc.
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As a total layperson (not a student, teacher, SS teacher, etc.) who has spent many thousands of dollars over 10+ years I will say I am a big fan of the software and the company. I continue to buy resources each year and grow the system. Over the years there have been various announcements such as this and I used to get all worked up each time. My biggest fear being that everything would become cloud based/cloud only/SaaS/subscription based without the ability to download your materials and do everything offline. But each time, it all seemed to work out fine for the most part. Yes, there are now things that you must have an internet connection to use (Maps...) and I wish they would change that, I really do.
But, I am going to try not to worry about what this new re-focus focus means and just trust they will do right by everyone. I know many users, based upon the forums, are international and have spotty connectivity at best so going too far with cloud would kill them. I agree with another response that the bug killing has become much better and the performance of the software seems to improve each major release. It is nice to have software such as this.
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I've been with Logos since 2.0 back in the 90's. I've seen many many things get so much better than i'd ever expected or hoped. I'm appreciative of what you've done to improve my Bible Study and teaching.
The remaining weakness that permeates Logos software is Graphics and Atlas. In this single area, you are years behind the competition. I'd really like to see you focus on this area for the next few years and at least try and be equivalent to what other Bible Software apps offer.
John Kaess
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Vik,
Thank you for the hard decisions to FOCUS on your core. As someone who bought into Ministry Tracker BEFORE the Equip experiment, I must admit that dealing with Servant Keeper Tech Support is Day & Night WORSE than when Faithlife supported the ChMS program!
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I agree
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I agreeJohn Kaess said:I've been with Logos since 2.0 back in the 90's. I've seen many many things get so much better than i'd ever expected or hoped. I'm appreciative of what you've done to improve my Bible Study and teaching.
The remaining weakness that permeates Logos software is Graphics and Atlas. In this single area, you are years behind the competition. I'd really like to see you focus on this area for the next few years and at least try and be equivalent to what other Bible Software apps offer.
John Kaess
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John Kaess said:
The remaining weakness that permeates Logos software is Graphics and Atlas. In this single area, you are years behind the competition. I'd really like to see you focus on this area for the next few years and at least try and be equivalent to what other Bible Software apps offer.
I don't disagree; I've been a major critic. But investment-wise, Logos (Libronix Research, Faithlife, etc) has put a lot of effort into graphics, each time losing interest. I think 3 1/2 mapping versions. Image display resources (at L4). As DAL mentions, zoomables in Libby. I get the feeling, there's sort of a stubbornness! Ok, reluctance to just 'do it'.
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One thing I couldn't forget is to provide a certain delivery date for books that are inside the packages. I bought a package last year in October (Logos 10 Platinum - English) and until today the remaining 9 volumes of a set of 12 volumes have not been made available. The first 3 were made available in April of that year.
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Marcio Campos said:
One thing I couldn't forget is to provide a certain delivery date for books that are inside the packages.
If we are going to that discussion, how about the infamous Evangelical Exegetical Commentary? Introduced in fall 2010, 1st volume ships in June 2011, over 12 years ago! 44 volumes, 13 have shipped. I actually got an email solicitation to buy the package this past week - that's a rather impudent sales tactic for a series that very likely won't be completed in my lifetime - yet with the money paid up front!
The books out so far (13) are of good quality, as I have bought them individually. The project is a noble one. But why sell a series that will take a lifetime to fulfill? I assume people have invested in the series 12 years ago, why hold all their money? This seems to me to be a blatantly mercenary action - maybe the worst I can remember Logos ever undertaking. It might be a nice step for the 'new regime' to tangibly show that Logos' customers are important, and that some practices of the 'prior regime' are being kicked to the curb, so to speak.
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There are several timelines graphics, charts and maps that can barely be read because the graphics are bad! So yes, improving the graphics will make a bunch of us very happy 😃
DAL
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One of the things that has impressed me with Logos is their attention to updating the product quickly. One example of that is the updated Search function that appeared with Logos 10. The team gets kudos from me on that.
I also appreciate how the Logos team interacts in the forums in answering questions and suggestions with people like me finding answers in how to use Logos. Kudos again!
Thanks.
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Thanks for the effort to supply the ongoing information. Much appreciated.
As with many of the other replys to this announcement of focus or refocus, I'll convey my concern of perhaps too much emphasis on cloud-based solutions. Those working at seminaries and universities may not comprehend the spotty connection to the internet that countless people around the world face, or of "filtered" information due to politics. This is all too real and does nothing to "empower believers everywhere to go deeper in their Bible study." In part, I'd imagine, these online features are to make the mobile apps and cross-platform features deeper and more seamless. Understandable, but PLEASE don't overlook the drawbacks and limitations this presents.
And speaking of the mobile app, please make Personal Books both accessible in and downloadable to mobile devices.
Blessing!
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Don Awalt said:Marcio Campos said:
One thing I couldn't forget is to provide a certain delivery date for books that are inside the packages.
If we are going to that discussion, how about the infamous Evangelical Exegetical Commentary? Introduced in fall 2010, 1st volume ships in June 2011, over 12 years ago! 44 volumes, 13 have shipped. I actually got an email solicitation to buy the package this past week - that's a rather impudent sales tactic for a series that very likely won't be completed in my lifetime - yet with the money paid up front!
The books out so far (13) are of good quality, as I have bought them individually. The project is a noble one. But why sell a series that will take a lifetime to fulfill? I assume people have invested in the series 12 years ago, why hold all their money? This seems to me to be a blatantly mercenary action - maybe the worst I can remember Logos ever undertaking. It might be a nice step for the 'new regime' to tangibly show that Logos' customers are important, and that some practices of the 'prior regime' are being kicked to the curb, so to speak.
LCC as well. Doug has been great keeping us updated but both OT and NT are still incomplete. I’m hoping logos can finish what they have before starting new
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Vik Rajagopal said:
One key thing we’ve already done is expand globally (Logos 10 is available in eight languages), and we will continue to make Logos available, accessible, and affordable internationally.
Vik Rajagopal said:First and foremost, this means we’re continuing our commitment to improving and expanding the Logos app so it meets the needs of Christians around the world.
As someone outside the US working in multiple languages, I am very encouraged to here this focus, but there needs to be some huge improvements in this area. One example is the Bible in Russian, a major language spoken by hundreds of millions around the world (many outside Russia itself). While I'm thankful that the Russian Bible is in Logos, it's only the single 1956 edition that is available.
Most smaller languages I work with have no Bibles available in Logos at all, while other competing software such as Olive Tree has multiple Russian Bible versions alone that are much more up to date. Add to that is a rather wide selection of smaller languages that have versions available as well. I hope this area sees some real progress in the near future, as I can't imagine anyone in many regions of the world (such as mine) finding any value in a product that does not offer even the most basic needs of their language, which starts with at least a single reasonably up to date Bible translation.
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Even in the forums you can’t insert an image without screwing up your text!
Graphics, Vik, graphics need your attention. Bob drifted away from them or whoever made the decision and now Logos is suffering from graphics failure and chaos!
Please, fix the graphics! 👍😁👌
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This and other threads address the image basic functions that Logos doesn’t have anymore: https://community.logos.com/forums/p/177487/1262931.aspx#1262931
DAL
Ps. Here’s my main thread on clickable images: https://community.logos.com/forums/t/186897.aspx
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And if you, as the new leader, could finally listen to this it would be awesome! https://community.logos.com/forums/t/186839.aspx
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As someone who's been on the Logos block since 1.x with floppies, my greatest wish is that Logos would refocus on their initial market of orthodoxy and conservative literature. Go woke or go broke isn't just a cute phrase. I've spent less on Logos the past four or five years as the resources push further and further to the left. I don't find myself in the forums much anymore simply because I don't fit anymore. I don't even feel comfortable making this comment, as the replies from others could be nothing short of leftest bullies. It would be great to see Logos go back to their roots.
Wilson Hines
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Wilson Hines said:
Go woke or go broke isn't just a cute phrase.
Be saved and go woke, Wilson. Like in the Bible. And you'll feel more comfortable! Buy more books too. (I'm a leftist bully regarding 'woke' from the dead.)
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I don't know how the law works on these US issues, but if the resources I've already paid for aren't added, I'm going to sue consumer protection. If I hadn't paid, I wouldn't have anything to say, but since I already paid, I want to receive it. Another thing that has to be clear is that Logos IS NOT A CHURCH, NOR A THEOLOGICAL LINE OR CHRISTIAN GROUP. LOGOS OR FAITHLIFE IS A COMPANY AND AS SUCH ITS OBJECTIVE IS TO PROFIT BY PROVIDING PRODUCTS TO A GROUP OF CONSUMERS, WHICH IN THIS CASE ARE CHRISTIANS.
Don Awalt said:Marcio Campos said:One thing I couldn't forget is to provide a certain delivery date for books that are inside the packages.
If we are going to that discussion, how about the infamous Evangelical Exegetical Commentary? Introduced in fall 2010, 1st volume ships in June 2011, over 12 years ago! 44 volumes, 13 have shipped. I actually got an email solicitation to buy the package this past week - that's a rather impudent sales tactic for a series that very likely won't be completed in my lifetime - yet with the money paid up front!
The books out so far (13) are of good quality, as I have bought them individually. The project is a noble one. But why sell a series that will take a lifetime to fulfill? I assume people have invested in the series 12 years ago, why hold all their money? This seems to me to be a blatantly mercenary action - maybe the worst I can remember Logos ever undertaking. It might be a nice step for the 'new regime' to tangibly show that Logos' customers are important, and that some practices of the 'prior regime' are being kicked to the curb, so to speak.
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Wilson Hines said:
As someone who's been on the Logos block since 1.x with floppies, my greatest wish is that Logos would refocus on their initial market of orthodoxy and conservative literature. Go woke or go broke isn't just a cute phrase. I've spent less on Logos the past four or five years as the resources push further and further to the left. I don't find myself in the forums much anymore simply because I don't fit anymore. I don't even feel comfortable making this comment, as the replies from others could be nothing short of leftest bullies. It would be great to see Logos go back to their roots.
I don’t think I understand this at all. What resources are you talking about? As for me, I’ve spent more in the last several years than prior.
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Marcio Campos said:
LOGOS OR FAITHLIFE IS A COMPANY AND AS SUCH ITS OBJECTIVE IS TO PROFIT BY PROVIDING PRODUCTS TO A GROUP OF CONSUMERS, WHICH IN THIS CASE ARE CHRISTIANS.
Marcio, you can certainly sue. And money was taken, with future delivery stated as 2014 (if I remember).
But labeling as logic doesn't work. Per the previous CEO (the promises), profits went back into operations to enhance your productive use of the Bible. And scholars that committed (presumably) didn't. People say, well, typical for commentaries. But I suspect FL was left holding the bag ... angry customers, and a company hope for a good commentary set.
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Wilson Hines said:
as the replies from others could be nothing short of leftest bullies
I am exactly one of those people you don't want to hear from - first, I hate the current pop use of "woke" and second, I dislike name calling. I also see "left" as a political term not a theological term and enjoy the Logos forums because they are generally a haven from politics. But while you probably would not be comfortable in my actual living room, I am glad you feel free to state your opinion in this metaphorical living room. (I've been with Logos since 2.x.) And I am glad that you show your preferences with your wallet - the most appropriate way.
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I have seen several references in this post to map and graphic improvements. After 20 years I still haven't seen the ability to simply take a Bible and link it to the proper map in context and click on a city and have it zoom in to the right map dealing with that city in the scripture verse. For example if I am in Joshua 6:1 I should be able to link my Bible with a set of maps and the Map for Jericho will pull up and if I click on Jericho the right map will zoom in the city.
Logos 4 maps were the best in the ability to pan and zoom. All map should have that ability. I should be able to use these maps offline. Start with the Carta Maps. I have developed over 30 personal books of most of the major Bible Atlases linking the maps in Biblical Order with a Bible. I would like to work with Logos to use my research to make Maps better. Here is a sample of what I have done that can be linked with a Bible to find the right map.
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John Brumett said:
I should be able to link my Bible with a set of maps and the Map for Jericho will pull up and if I click on Jericho the right map will zoom in the city.
I don't see why you're complaining. I opened my Bible to Jos 6:1. Then I right-clicked the 'Jericho' word. Then I squinted to find 'place' on the left side. Then I selected Atlas. Then I waited. Then I looked at the nice map displayed ... where Abram and Lot met (actually near Bethel, but the Faithlife mapmaker was just sure, Lot went through Jericho ... maybe to help Joshua). How's that?!
You're right.
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- I opened my Bible same as you
- I selected and right-clicked on Jericho same as you
- I skipped the squinting - I don't know if it is a matter of eyesight or settings
- I clicked on Atlas
- My Atlas open quickly enough I had no opportunity to get into wait mode
- The orange circle brought my attention to the Jericho location
- As I had linked by town, I had to change the event by selecting Battle of Jericho on the left.
OR as an alternative
- I opened my Bible same as you
- I selected and right-clicked on Jericho falls event
- I skipped the squinting - I don't know if it is a matter of eyesight or settings
- I clicked on Atlas
- My Atlas open quickly enough I had no opportunity to get into wait mode
- As I had not selected a place, I had no orange circle directing my attention
- The map Biblical world - The conquest opened; I had to change the event by selecting Battle of Jericho on the left
I don't make a great deal of use of maps but the present navigation makes sense to me. Not saying it can't be improved ...
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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MJ. Smith said:
the present navigation makes sense to me. Not saying it can't be improved ...
I'd think if the software knows you're in Jos 6:1 and you select Jericho, there's a decent chance you want to look at Jericho in Joshua's time. That seems pretty straight forward. I can't imagine as a designer, having the user go thru so many steps, and then dump Jericho and Abram into the display. I think we were chatting about ease of use.
I still say they need a new design team.
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I have found that often it does not highlight the city, leaving me to manually search for it. That said, the layers are not intuitive and are clunky. We need major time divisions with the options to add roads and modern maps. Then the current biblical events and times could be sub layers. We also need to be able to measure distances and create user defined sub layers, then save and export the results. The online nature is very limiting as well. I understand that maps like Carta will be of a different format, but it would be nice to have them linked to be able to pull them up and look at them side by side with what you are exploring on the map.
The effort put into FactBook needs to be put into Maps. I am sure there is brilliance in what has been designed but it is as if it was over engineered in some ways, causing the user more work and friction to start with a basic oriented map and then explore. I find I spend more time working my way through the interface rather than the map. Accordance kills it in this area. Logos was off to a good start, but I don’t know what happened.
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John Brumett said:
I have seen several references in this post to map and graphic improvements. After 20 years I still haven't seen the ability to simply take a Bible and link it to the proper map in context and click on a city and have it zoom in to the right map dealing with that city in the scripture verse. For example if I am in Joshua 6:1 I should be able to link my Bible with a set of maps and the Map for Jericho will pull up and if I click on Jericho the right map will zoom in the city.
Logos 4 maps were the best in the ability to pan and zoom. All map should have that ability. I should be able to use these maps offline. Start with the Carta Maps. I have developed over 30 personal books of most of the major Bible Atlases linking the maps in Biblical Order with a Bible. I would like to work with Logos to use my research to make Maps better. Here is a sample of what I have done that can be linked with a Bible to find the right map.
Wow! Just one word. Wow! 👍😎🙂
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Donovan R. Palmer said:
The effort put into FactBook needs to be put into Maps.
Said EVERYTHING necessary
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