Verses cross referenced in a particular passage

Christian Alexander
Christian Alexander Member Posts: 3,008 ✭✭
edited November 21 in English Forum

How can I find all the biblical, deuterocanonical, and of the early church referenced in John 1:1-18?

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  • JBR
    JBR Member Posts: 211 ✭✭

    Have you tried using the Bible Books Explorer tool? If you choose the Intertext item in the menu heard you will see a wheel with labels for 87 books of the Bible. That's all of what the tool refers to as Old Testament, New Testament, and Apocrypha/Deuterocanon.You should then decide whether you only want citations, quotations, allusions, echoes, or all of the above. When you have made your selection tap on the part of the wheel representing John. That will open up a search where the target is John. You can refine your search go only the verses you desire by putting "John 1:1-18" (in quotes) as the target.

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  • xnman
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    Have you tried using the Bible Books Explorer tool? If you choose the Intertext item in the menu heard you will see a wheel with labels for 87 books of the Bible. That's all of what the tool refers to as Old Testament, New Testament, and Apocrypha/Deuterocanon.You should then decide whether you only want citations, quotations, allusions, echoes, or all of the above. When you have made your selection tap on the part of the wheel representing John. That will open up a search where the target is John. You can refine your search go only the verses you desire by putting "John 1:1-18" (in quotes) as the target.

    I have tried to use the Bible Books Explorer tool but find that it is very objective in what it picks to cross reference.  For example: Look up 1Tim 4:14 in the BBE... It's cross references does not mention Luk 22:66 or Acts 22:5.  Both of these verses are a cross reference to the "eldership" in 1Tim 4:14.

    I find a lot of "inconsistances" like the above in the BBE. Maybe I'm not understanding the BBE's purpose? But as a cross reference tool, in my opinion, its not up to par!

    xn = Christan  man=man -- Acts 11:26 "....and the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch".

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  • MJ. Smith
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    Both of these verses are a cross reference to the "eldership"

    Your example seems to be a simple shared word which would lead me to a Word Study rather than a cross-reference study - but then that is truly just my personal bent. However, I do agree that the Bible Books Explorer chart is, as JBR states, on intertextuality rather than cross-references.

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  • xnman
    xnman Member Posts: 2,779 ✭✭✭

    Both of these verses are a cross reference to the "eldership"

    Your example seems to be a simple shared word which would lead me to a Word Study rather than a cross-reference study - but then that is truly just my personal bent. However, I do agree that the Bible Books Explorer chart is, as JBR states, on intertextuality rather than cross-references.

    If something is going to cross reference then by all means cross reference... but not about just some things... the case I mentioned, I was doing a study on "presbyterion" or eldership.... which is referenced as "council of elders" or groups of elders. But BBE like a lot of "functions" in Logos only goes so far. I know it takes time to cross reference...  I do it myself building my own.

    xn = Christan  man=man -- Acts 11:26 "....and the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch".

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  • MJ. Smith
    MJ. Smith Member, MVP Posts: 53,089 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I do it myself building my own.

    I suspect your cross-references will not be as complete as those provided by Logos which come in three parts:

    • The Cross-references section of the Passage Guide which includes traditional cross-references - in the top section by links to cross-reference books and in the bottom section by a list of cross-references from all your Bibles containing them.
    • The Intertextuality tool, including that in the Bible Book explorer that includes all the identified intertextual relationships
    • The Important Passages section of the Passage Guide which draws on commentaries, lexicons etc to pull in parallel passages, shared cultural concepts, shared figurative language, shared people/places/things, shared senses, similar commands, similar questions, discussed together in commentaries or lexicons ...

    They remain separate as often one only wants particular relationships, but you can always use a passage list to combine then into a single comprehensive list. But if I were doing your study, which I am not, I would frame it as a word study for which Logos provides a different set of tools.

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  • Dave Hooton
    Dave Hooton Member, MVP Posts: 35,674 ✭✭✭

    I have tried to use the Bible Books Explorer tool but find that it is very objective in what it picks to cross reference.  For example: Look up 1Tim 4:14 in the BBE... It's cross references does not mention Luk 22:66 or Acts 22:5.  Both of these verses are a cross reference to the "eldership" in 1Tim 4:14.

    As Martha stated, the latter two verses are not cross-references as they come from a search for the lemma! Use PG for 1 Tim 4:14, but I found that Acts 22:5 is the only one to pick up the other two as cross references.. 

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