I am not Pentecostal thank you
Why does Logos think I am Pentecostal? When I look at upgrades or when I open Logos Bible Study that is what they recommend.
I consider myself non-denominational so I have no idea how Logos decided I should get Pentecostal versions of Logos.
I haven't upgraded in forever but if I do I would more likely get the standard gold edition. I do attend a Pentecostal church but that is a joke between God and me. He knows they hurt me in the past so he sent this guy to my door. He preaches great and then after attending some services I heard him speaking in tongues and found out it was a Pentecostal church.
The guy preaches good but I still consider myself non-denominational.
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Many of us buy denominational packages from denominations we are not part of because there are often some good resources there. I am a member of a church that is a particular denomination (unimportant which one) but I consider myself transdenominational, not non-denominational. Each denomination offers some strengths or perspectives that the others are lacking, and I learn from them all (well, most of them). I have bought Catholic, Lutheran, Anglican, Pentecostal, Methodist & Wesleyan, Orthodx, Reformed, Baptist, and SDA packages.
So it's not like buying a Pentecostal base package turns your version of Logos into a "Pentecostal version", it's that those base packages give you a whole bunch of books that are typically associated with that tradition (though there is quite a bit of overlap among them). It's still the same Logos. The only exception to that is for Catholic folks, there is a separate version of the software called Verbum, which includes differences in features to handle things that are typically of interest to Catholics only.
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Consider yourself lucky. I am Catholic - a church that rejects the concept of denominations. I have purchased at least one package from almost all the denominations that Logos has packages for. However, there is one denomination that I have purchased significantly less for because I find its theology most objectionable, or perhaps more accurately, I find the way it expresses its theology most objectional. So naturally, that is the denomination Logos tries to sell me packages for. Verbum recognizes me as one of "them".
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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I looked up Verbum and it look interesting. I don't see why they couldn't add those books to Logos. I looked at some packages I have some books in Logos.
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Rosie Perera said:
Many of us buy denominational packages from denominations we are not part of because there are often some good resources there. I am a member of a church that is a particular denomination (unimportant which one) but I consider myself transdenominational, not non-denominational. Each denomination offers some strengths or perspectives that the others are lacking, and I learn from them all (well, most of them). I have bought Catholic, Lutheran, Anglican, Pentecostal, Methodist & Wesleyan, Orthodx, Reformed, Baptist, and SDA packages.
So it's not like buying a Pentecostal base package turns your version of Logos into a "Pentecostal version", it's that those base packages give you a whole bunch of books that are typically associated with that tradition (though there is quite a bit of overlap among them). It's still the same Logos. The only exception to that is for Catholic folks, there is a separate version of the software called Verbum, which includes differences in features to I handle things that are typically of interest to Catholics only.
I looked up what trans-denominational was and I am still not sure what it is.
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Rosie Perera said:
I have bought Catholic, Lutheran, Anglican, Pentecostal, Methodist & Wesleyan, Orthodx, Reformed, Baptist, and SDA packages.
You have me beat [:)]
I have bought Baptist, Methodist & Wesleyan, Reformed, Anglican and Messianic Jewish. And I have "almost" bought Pentecostal, Catholic and SDA. I have gotten some really good deals by being ecumenical and non-denominational [H]
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Randall Lind said:
I don't see why they couldn't add those books to Logos.
I was looking at Verbum resources, and it offered them to me for sale, so I assumed they would just be added to my Logos Library. Am I right about that?
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Randall Lind said:
I looked up what trans-denominational was and I am still not sure what it is.
It's a term that Regent College (where I did my graduate studies) uses in its self-description. A dictionary definition (from The Concise Dictionary of Christian Theology) is "Transcending denominational distinctions," but that's not how Regent uses it, and it's not what I mean by it.
Regent is not a denominational seminary in that it doesn't adhere to one set of creeds belonging to just one of the many "flavors" of Christianity out there. But it doesn't reject denominations either, so it's not "non-denominational". The prefix "trans" means "across"; so "transdenominational" means "across denominations". More specifically, Regent's faculty and student body are made up of people from across the theological spectrum. I had professors and classmates who were (or had studied under) Alliance (Christian & Missionary Alliance), Anglican, Baptist, Brethren, Catholic, Jesuit, Lutheran, Mennonite, Messianic Jewish, Pentecostal, Presbyterian, and perhaps others I'm forgetting.
It was an eye-opening experience for me, having come from a mostly Reformed/Evangelical/Presbyterian background being exposed to so many different people who all were focused on growing in Christ and studying the Bible. I learned that I hadn't just happened to stumble upon the "right" theological strand, nor was there one right one that I was going to discover one day such that I could reject all the others and just cling to the one. I continue to appreciate what each "flavor" or "stream" or "tradition" (to avoid the word "denomination, since Catholics don't identify as a denomination and non-denominational Christians don't either) of Christianity has to offer that others might under-emphasize. Anglicans have taught me an appreciation for liturgy. Catholics have taught me an appreciation for art (among other things). Mennonites have taught me an appreciation for peacemaking and community discernment. Messianic folks have taught me the importance of the Jewishness of Jesus. Pentecostals have taught me an appreciation for exuberance in worship and the ministry of the Holy Spirit. Presbyterians have taught me an appreciation for committees. (Just kidding! [:D])
So that's what I mean by being transdenominational.
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Randall Lind said:
I looked up Verbum and it look interesting. I don't see why they couldn't add those books to Logos
Verbum and Logos are the engine that runs the library, but the library of books you buy is independent, and you can buy just about any of the books that Faithlife carries from either their Logos website or their Verbum website, and those books will integrated into your Logos or Verbum system, whichever one you are running. The only thing is that Verbum probably filters out the specifically anti-Catholic books, as there are a bunch of those on the Logos site. But stuff like the Early Church Fathers would be part of many different base packages, because those are common roots that we all share, whether Catholic or Protestant.
(Actually, I just discovered one resource that I'm surprised is not filtered out for Verbum users: a set of Puritan Sermons that includes one titled "The Pope of Rome is Antichrist," by Henry Wilkinson. [:O] But a search for Puritan Sermons on the Verbum site found only 1787 hits, whereas on the Logos site it found 8410. So Logos.com is definitely the more complete site, probably containing every book you would find on Verbum.com.)
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John said:
I was looking at Verbum resources, and it offered them to me for sale, so I assumed they would just be added to my Logos Library. Am I right about that?
Yes, that is correct.
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I won't quote all of Rosie's posts, but I strongly agree with her perspective. I can find value from other Christian traditions - all of them! I am taking seminary classes online and we had a required reading from John Paul II. I am not, and never have been, Catholic. But that man had a lot of solid wisdom and teaching.
And Rosie, you are one of the most helpful people on these forums. There are others too but thanking you for your insights. You are appreciated!
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John said:
I have bought Baptist, Methodist & Wesleyan, Reformed, Anglican and Messianic Jewish. And I have "almost" bought Pentecostal, Catholic and SDA. I have gotten some really good deals by being ecumenical and non-denominational
Buying denonminational packages really can't be beat for purchasing commentary sets. Yes, there is some fluff in them, but you can hide those resources if you want.
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I am not anti-anything but the recommendation should be tailored to the users. They should recommend standard not what they want me to buy.
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While Catholic (Verbum) is my package of choice, I found that getting the fundamental resources from other denominations was crucial in avoiding misunderstandings of what they actually believe. Packages from those denominations were often cheaper than buying the individual resources.
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Randall Lind said:
the recommendation should be tailored to the users
Maybe their computer doesn't have enough data to know what you are interested in. Buying more would boost the accuracy [H]
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Jerry Bush said:
Rosie, you are one of the most helpful people on these forums. There are others too but thanking you for your insights. You are appreciated!
Yes absultely She is.
Blessings in Christ.
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Randall Lind said:
I am not anti-anything but the recommendation should be tailored to the users. They should recommend standard not what they want me to buy.
Their marketing shouldn't be taken as "what they want me to buy". They aren't trying to peg you specifically as someone who ought to read Pentecostal books. They just cast their net wide, or maybe they use AI to determine what people who have bought some of the things you have bought before tend to go for later. Ignore the upgrade suggestions if they don't interest you. You can certainly search for other ideas for upgrades if the one that pops up for you doesn't interest you. Go to the Logos website and check the Deals menus. There are a lot of freebies and sales every month.
Also check the Library and Feature Expansion Bundles for even deeper savings on bigger ticket items:
https://www.logos.com/library-feature-expansion
Legacy Libraries are the best deal of all, and you'll get dynamic pricing based on what books you already have. Here's where you can peruse other traditions if Pentecostal doesn't float your boat.
https://www.logos.com/legacy-libraries
Just skip the "See Upgrade Options" link under the Bible Study App menu, since that is likely to propose the same thing you saw in the app. For me, the only thing it can propose is the Logos 10 Collector's Edition (which includes everything else), since I've bought so many other packages already.
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Also check the Library and Feature Expansion Bundles for even deeper savings on bigger ticket items:
https://www.logos.com/library-feature-expansion
Legacy Libraries are the best deal of all, and you'll get dynamic pricing based on what books you already have. Here's where you can peruse other traditions if Pentecostal doesn't float your boat.
https://www.logos.com/legacy-libraries
Just skip the "See Upgrade Options" link under the Bible Study App menu, since that is likely to propose the same thing you saw in the app. For me, the only thing it can propose is the Logos 10 Collector's Edition (which includes everything else), since I've bought so many other packages already.
I had no idea you could buy older versions on Logos cool!
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Randall Lind said:
Why does Logos think I am Pentecostal? When I look at upgrades or when I open Logos Bible Study that is what they recommend.
I consider myself non-denominational so I have no idea how Logos decided I should get Pentecostal versions of Logos.
I haven't upgraded in forever but if I do I would more likely get the standard gold edition. I do attend a Pentecostal church but that is a joke between God and me. He knows they hurt me in the past so he sent this guy to my door. He preaches great and then after attending some services I heard him speaking in tongues and found out it was a Pentecostal church.
The guy preaches good but I still consider myself non-denominational.
Well... if you were a member of the Church of Christ.... you wouldn't even get a good mention! Just saying.... [8-|]
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xnman said:
Well... if you were a member of the Church of Christ.... you wouldn't even get a good mention! Just saying....
You think you've got it bad ... think of the poor Paulicians and Bogomils who aimed to restore the pre-80AD church. They don't even get a book title.[:'(]
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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I guess because I have never heard of Paulicians or Bogomils. The first sould like a political party and the second sould like something you need to talk to your doctor about. :P
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But we are all members of the church of Christ, because the church belongs to Christ. 😉
DAL
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I have deeply invested in almost all of the protestant packages (minimal in SDA, but still some), and I purchased 1-2 Verbum packages a number of years ago, and MOST of the emails I get are from Verbum.
lol
I don't care. Sometimes the catholics have things I'm interested in too. Sometimes it's the baptists. Sometimes it's the reformed. Sometimes it's the charismatics, sometimes the methodists, and so forth. *Shrug*
I'm happy I can get whatever it is I need, regardless of denominationalaffiliation.L2 lvl4 (...) WORDsearch, all the way through L10,
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I have deeply invested in almost all of the protestant packages (minimal in SDA, but still some), and I purchased 1-2 Verbum packages a number of years ago, and MOST of the emails I get are from Verbum.
lol
I don't care. Sometimes the catholics have things I'm interested in too. Sometimes it's the baptists. Sometimes it's the reformed. Sometimes it's the charismatics, sometimes the methodists, and so forth. *Shrug*
I'm happy I can get whatever it is I need, regardless of denominationalaffiliation.L2 lvl4 (...) WORDsearch, all the way through L10,
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abondservant said:
I have deeply invested in almost all of the protestant packages (minimal in SDA, but still some), and I purchased 1-2 Verbum packages a number of years ago, and MOST of the emails I get are from Verbum.
lol
I don't care. Sometimes the catholics have things I'm interested in too. Sometimes it's the baptists. Sometimes it's the reformed. Sometimes it's the charismatics, sometimes the methodists, and so forth. *Shrug*
I'm happy I can get whatever it is I need, regardless of denominationalaffiliation.Me too! A very diversified library is what helps us obtain a well rounded knowledge of all the different groups around us.
DAL
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When I was the sales manager at Logos (2015-2022), my response to this question was around how the libraries are built. Although there is a denominational bent in those packages, what is more prevalent are denominational clichés. i.e. Pentecostal packages have a lot more devotionals and spirituality books, Reformed packages have the most systematic theology, Baptist has lots of practical ministry. So on and so forth. This happened out of being intentional, having variety for the packages (since a lot of authors and publishers can fall under multiple denomination umbrellas), because the denomination specific publishers and authors tend to produce within their clichés, and a bunch of other reasons.
Thus, based on what you've purchased in the past, you're probably getting recommended that package based on book categories, and nothing to do with theology or denomination at all.
I recommend going to the compare section, and then looking at the quantities of each resource category. I think that is the best way to differentiate the packages. Not based on which denomination you are in.0 -
This fits nicely with what I was taught: go to Lutheran publishers for Bible Studies, Anglican publishers for liturgy, Orthodox publishers for patristics, and Catholic publishers for theology. Both my paper library and my Logos library reflect this bias.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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MJ. Smith said:
Orthodox publishers for patristics ...
That's interesting, what Brian wrote. And I agree Orthodox and patristics, with an eastern tilt. But I hopelessly view Orthodox as where they put the good stuff ('hard' info, etc). So much so, that's all I check for. And I'm not even remotely Orthodox (or orthodox).
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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