Qumran Quote

Christian Alexander
Christian Alexander Member Posts: 3,008 ✭✭
edited November 21 in English Forum

I am trying to determine the origin of this quote. I searched my library but cannot find anything. "Qumran is the cradle from which the biblical conception of the temple and the priesthood of the church is descended from."

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  • MJ. Smith
    MJ. Smith Member, MVP Posts: 53,086 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Where did you find this? I ask because my initial reaction to reading it was that is was absurd given the use of priesthood and temple throughout much of Jewish history? Perhaps my reaction is the result of the lack of context for the sentence.

    Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."

  • NB.Mick
    NB.Mick Member, MVP Posts: 15,850 ✭✭✭

    I am trying to determine the origin of this quote. I searched my library but cannot find anything. "Qumran is the cradle from which the biblical conception of the temple and the priesthood of the church is descended from."

    My library didn't give anything, either, but Google pointed me to the one article online where the quote is referenced. The article can be found at https://www.academia.edu/41884875/The_Essence_of_a_Spiritual_House_Misunderstanding_Metaphor_and_the_Question_of_Supersessionism_in_1_Peter_JBL_139_2_2020_411_427 

    (free version of Academia.edu, article is from JBL 139 - it seems Logos carries some JBL issues, but only up to JBL 125 ) and it references one author who claimed such in an article: Ernest Best, “I Peter II 4–10—A Reconsideration,” NovT 11 (1969): 270–93, here 284. NovT stands for Novum Testamentum, a Brill-published journal that Logos doesn't carry.

    Since 1969 was some time ago, it seems the idea didn't get much traction. On the other hand, Best is an author with some commentaries in the Logos library.

    Have joy in the Lord! Smile

  • MJ. Smith
    MJ. Smith Member, MVP Posts: 53,086 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Google pointed me to the one article online

    Interesting - Google gave me no results.

    Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."

  • DMB
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    "If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.

  • Rosie Perera
    Rosie Perera Member Posts: 26,202 ✭✭✭✭✭

    My Library gives a variation of that quote (same variation that NB.Mick found in ) in Temple, Exile and Identity in 1 Peter (LNTS).

    Based on this understanding, Ernest Best has argued that the community of Qumran was ‘the cradle from which the NT conception of the temple and priesthood of the church is derived’.120 However, based on arguments that have been levied against a direct influence of Qumran on the NT writers,121 we have to disagree with Best and argue that, for 1 Peter in particular, a milieu of Jewish thought in the Second Temple period provided the framework of temple imagery that was independently arrived at both in Qumran and in 1 Peter. Both are distinct products of a common Jewish mindset that had lost confidence in the physical temple as the abode of God and had sought an alternative (Cf. Jub. 23.21; 1 Enoch 89.72–75; Bar. 4:2–6).122

    120 Best, ‘Reconsideration’, 284.
    121 See, for example, Michaels, 1 Peter, 96 and Gärtner Temple, 78.
    122 See Chapter 3 above.

    Mbuvi, Andrew M. Temple, Exile and Identity in 1 Peter. T&T Clark, 2007, p. 93.

    That footnote 120 refers to the Bibliography entry:

    Best, E., ‘I Peter II. 4–10: A Reconsideration’, Novum Testamentum 11 (1969): 270–93.

    As NB.Mick points out, Novum Testamentum is not carried by Logos, but it has been requested many times before (e.g., here and here), and I'm pretty sure that back as far as 2014 it was on Logos's "Tier 1" list of journals to try to get. I don't know what has blocked them from getting it or what has derailed their efforts to get more journals in general, but probably cost-benefit analysis went into it. Anyway, there wasn't a suggestion for it on the current feedback boards, so I've added it (as well as Vetus Testamentum, the OT parallel). Feel free to vote, though don't hold your breath. I first requested these back in 2014. You'll probably have to rely on a library to get hold of that article for you if indeed you find it crucial to read it. But as NB.Mick pointed out it's quite outdated and probably not influencing current thought about 1 Peter at all.

  • Christian Alexander
    Christian Alexander Member Posts: 3,008 ✭✭

    This quote was in a sermon I was listening to. Thanks everyone for the help. It seems as though this quote is not influencing further thought on the topic. Blessings to all.