Seriously? Advertisements in my L10 Workspace!

Well, your screenshot kind of demonstrates 'seriously'.

For many years (Logosian ages), that was a 'red-line' they wouldn't cross.  Then they began inching their way, tippy-toeing into the  Home Page.  Then, delivering unowned book search matches.  And now, I guess, peoples' Bible study.  Probably rationalizing 'take your Bible study to the next level!!'.

I'm not so concerned with the literalness of that (ignoring its mindlessness).  Rather the staff (and I guess the leadership) that is now comfortable with mixing commercialism and Bible study. Sort of a desperation. 

And the NT certainly had its validating example ... Paul placed tent adverts in his epistles (3 sizes, if I remember correctly). Jesus was offering free resurrection promos.  (If this sounds gross, it's meant to illustrate the issue).

Mark, Logos should not ever deem that some product or offer or training mentioned in a banner ad is "genuinely valuable" to a person who is in the midst of studying the Bible.

I agree, and these banners should not interrupt study. That was something I insisted on. Therefore, they're timed only to appear when the user has finished their study, or hasn't yet started their study.

The idea that a person can only be studying the Bible when they are actively clicking on things in the software is ludicrous. Opening the app to a layout where the Bible is visible and sitting there for 30 minutes could constitute Bible study. They could be reading on the screen and rereading again, praying, doing Lectio Divina, etc. Logos has no idea when a person starts or ends their Bible Study if they have the app open and it's not on the Home Page which is known as a place where people will be bombarded with advertising. Unless people have specifically opted IN to receive banner ads elsewhere in the app, I strongly denounce putting advertising banners up in the main part of the app.

It is sad to see how quickly someone who on the "outside" as an MVP was an advocate for what users want get sucked into the Logos machine once they get hired. I know you mean well. I'm glad to see you insisted that these banners should not interrupt study, but I think you need to rethink what constitutes study and go back to the powers that be on this one. This is very disheartening.

This is getting progressively stranger:

- eMails: far better. Why is more tippy-toeing into Bible study so critical?

- Where is the pressure from; there's obviously pressure?

- If most will never see it, it must be badly ineffective?

- All platforms? During chuch services? 

- What is Logos, now?

There has to be more to the story, knowing such an irritant.

Make a banners page if you want.  I will go look at banners if I want on my schedule.

Just don't make me look at banners in my space on your schedule.   I don't want that.  Ever. 

Many, many users will never see anything in this space. Even those who do will only see it a few times a year at most – less, probably.

Oh good, it is great that you won't be invading my space but it is okay to invade other individual's spaces...sigh.

Peace and all good.

KSC

I'm sorry this isn't clearer.

Mark, 

It seems to me that the message in this thread is not clear for you at Logos. No ads, banners or the like in the Logos app (except for the homepage). Not for what reason marketing invents. Never. Ever. 

And please not even the possibility to toggle them on/off. Because I fear this will be holding the door a little open for a future dismissing the possibility to tum them off. 

I got my first ad yesterday. 

Very annoying and UNWANTED. 

Adding my voice that ‘messaging’ no matter the intent behind it in a user’s workspace is unacceptable. 
Logos leadership seem to have a serious lack of ability to read the room when it comes to intruding upon a persons workspace.

This is a line Logos should not cross . if this impacted only one user, it is one user too many impacted.

The idea that a person can only be studying the Bible when they are actively clicking on things in the software is ludicrous.

That isn't what I said.

I appreciate this is a sensitive area. I understand all the reasons why people in this thread think it's a bad idea. As Rosie has suggested, if I wasn't on staff, I'd be saying many of the same things that you guys are. But I am on staff, and therefore I know both the intent and the thought behind this:

• Many, many users will never see anything in this space. Even those who do will only see it a few times a year at most – less, probably.
• We're not using this space simply for "ads", but for informational messaging we genuinely believe you want to see. (We won't always get that right – as in this case for Wayne – but that is the intent.) If you ever see one of these banners that says "Save $20 off XXX", tell me straight away. It will be an error.
• We have thought very carefully about when to show this banner. We don't want it to interrupt you. We know that our users often take time away from their keyboard and mouse to pray and reflect on what they're reading, and we've built that into the mechanism. It's not a simple timer.
• This feature replaces Logos Messages, which was even more intrusive. It was a large popup that covered the lower right of the workspace, so might not even be able to see your Bible or whatever panels you had there. We showed messages so infrequently you might have forgotten they were there – and banners will be similarly infrequent.
• There's a program setting to turn it off. If you already turned off Messages, this banner will be turned off too.
• We're carefully tracking how users interact with these banners. If many people close them quickly or disable them, we'll know we've got it wrong, and they're not useful, and we'll stop sending them.

Ultimately, we're on a mission to help more people gain more insights in studying the Bible, and this is one of many ways we're trying to help people to do that better. Lots of people have told us that they find that difficult and sometimes struggle to get started using Logos. We want to support those users. We're not trying to sell anything to Wayne or others who saw this banner. This messaging was for a free series of seminars that are run by our user education team, not our marketing team. The seminars are about learning, not about buying.

I'm genuinely sorry that some of you feel this is beyond the pale. I'm confident our motives are right, and I'm hopeful that in practice, this will mostly become a non-issue because you might not even ever see a banner, and if you do, you'll hopefully feel that it was useful and you weren't interrupted. But please do keep giving feedback. If you see a banner you don't like, or even if you see a banner that you do like at an inconvenient time, please let us know.

This is a line Logos should not cross . if this impacted only one user, it is one user too many impacted.

Well said my friend. Can't say it better, so I am not going to try to add anything!