A Plea for Better Graphics

Dear Faithlife and Vic,

Please redo all the graphics in Logos resources. They literally suck! They’re so bad it’s an embarrassment to pay so much money for the so called “leading Bible software in the market” when the way you create graphics sucks!

I tried looking at the timeline graphics in the Life Application Study Bible (and any other resources for that matter) and there’s absolutely no way of seeing the information in those graphics. Why have you not done anything at all to try to improve graphics?

Please try to fix the graphics! It’s been years your customers have been asking for improvements in the graphics department and nothing! Graphics were actually a little better in Libronix. Where did you guys go so wrong in the graphics department?

Thanks!

DAL

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Mattillo

They are working on more datasets... maybe 2030

EastTN

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1279872#Comment_1279872

I might have said "seriously suboptimal" rather than "sucks," but I completely agree with the sentiment.

DMB

I tried looking at the timeline graphics in the Life Application Study Bible (and any other resources for that matter) and there’s absolutely no way of seeing the information in those graphics.

Might be quicker for FL to just post warnings on the product pages "Images Barely Viewable in Logos Bible Software. Please consider Accordance for viewing imagery."

Doc B

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1279882#Comment_1279882

This is one of the serious Achilles' heels of most e-graphics. Ever try reading a map on a Kindle? It's a joke for the most part.

I expect these deficiencies will be rectified, but not in the next few weeks, sadly.

DMB

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1279883#Comment_1279883

Ever try reading a map on a Kindle? It's a joke for the most part.

Surprisingly, for a BW Kindle reader, you can zoom the Kindle imagery. And Kindle on my ipad zooms color images in quite close, as well. I'm trying to think who does imagery as bad as Logos?

DAL

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1279882#Comment_1279882

I tried looking at the timeline graphics in the Life Application Study Bible (and any other resources for that matter) and there’s absolutely no way of seeing the information in those graphics.

Might be quicker for FL to just post warnings on the product pages "Images Barely Viewable in Logos Bible Software. Please consider Accordance for viewing imagery."

Yep! Or “…for better graphics please purchase the Accordance or Olive Tree version. Wordsearch was another option, but we bought them out and ruined their graphics too!”

DAL

Jan Krohn

Fully agreed. Here's a proposed action plan for FL:

1. Make embedded images zoomable in all resources ob mobile, desktop and web applications

2. Throw out all scanned images in resources for which there's now an electronic version by the publisher, and replace them with the images from that electronic version.

3. Re-scan all images that were scanned in the 1990s and 2000s with at least 300 dpi, better 600, all color images with color profiles for screen display, and without any issues in image rotation (like small slants of 2 or 3 degrees.)

Im aware this would be a lot of work...

Leo Wee Fah

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1279922#Comment_1279922

...... and the NLT Study Bible in OliveTree is using beautiful color maps[Y]

DAL

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1279933#Comment_1279933

...... and the NLT Study Bible in OliveTree is using beautiful color maps

Beautiful maps, charts that you can actually read and colored sidebars, etc. FL really needs to step it up. This is unacceptable and pure laziness! If the lower tier softwares have better graphics, then someone definitely dropped the ball for not keeping the graphics on par with the quality and price of the software they claim is the leading software in the market!

DAL

DMB

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1279922#Comment_1279922

Im aware this would be a lot of work...

Of course, this is all a major mystery ... Bible class from childhood involved lots of imagery. Why Logos Bible software would choke is a mystery.

My speculation, is coming out of Libby, they designed the routines resource-specific. L4 at the time didn't have notes or printing. And then, it was patch, after patch, and no planning.

I don't see why the right-click to PowerPoint etc couldn't similarly point to an in-app viewer. That's what I did ... I also allow my Bible software users (me) to edit the images in the viewer.

Granted, the Logos images are not too good. I thought the Sacred Images collection was higher quality, but any zooming disappoints.

Charlene

Please redo all the graphics in Logos resources. They literally suck! They’re so bad it’s an embarrassment to pay so much money for the so called “leading Bible software in the market” when the way you create graphics sucks!

I tried looking at the timeline graphics in the Life Application Study Bible (and any other resources for that matter) and there’s absolutely no way of seeing the information in those graphics. Why have you not done anything at all to try to improve graphics?

Please try to fix the graphics! It’s been years your customers have been asking for improvements in the graphics department and nothing! Graphics were actually a little better in Libronix

I have been saying this for YEARS!!!! And basically nothing has been done. I was a little encouraged with the Maps brought in with Logos 4, but not much after that. Instead we get just keep getting another new version of the software and more datasets (most of which I don't use). The graphics never improve, even though most teachings nowadays are directed to visual presentations.

To see most maps in Logos, I have to send it to my PowerPoint and then enlarge the map just to see if it is anything, that I possibly can use in my teaching. Just an extra step that is so unnecessary, if the graphics were what they should be.

Logos, PLEASE make a concentrated effort to improving the graphics.[

GaoLu

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1279947#Comment_1279947

I don't really buy the excuses. Viewer apps aren't that hard to make. A day or so to make a well-tested one. A few weeks to test on beta. Then release it and make everyone super happy and make millions of new sales!

Pitrell

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1279960#Comment_1279960

Faithlife, I am a graphic designer and can generate a lot of useful graphics and illustrative images by hand and AI. How could I get involved, I've been thinking about it since the first days in LOGOS.

Mattillo

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1279947#Comment_1279947

I have been saying this for YEARS!!!! And basically nothing has been done. I was a little encouraged with the Maps brought in with Logos 4, but not much after that. Instead we get just keep getting another new version of the software and more datasets (most of which I don't use). The graphics never improve, even though most teachings nowadays are directed to visual presentations.

To see most maps in Logos, I have to send it to my PowerPoint and then enlarge the map just to see if it is anything, that I possibly can use in my teaching. Just an extra step that is so unnecessary, if the graphics were what they should be.

Logos, PLEASE make a concentrated effort to improving the graphics.[

Could not agree more. I really do think FL would benefit by catering to the other side with more visuals, better maps and graphics. No one I introduce logos to cares very much for datasets. What has interested people is the story of the tomb infographic.

Mattillo

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1279960#Comment_1279960

I don't really buy the excuses. Viewer apps aren't that hard to make. A day or so to make a well-tested one. A few weeks to test on beta. Then release it and make everyone super happy and make millions of new sales!

I came on in the L6 days… people were complaining about the graphics then. I agree. They just aren’t interested

Veli Voipio

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1279972#Comment_1279972

They just aren’t interested

My feeling is that they don't have experts who truly understand graphics. Nowadays various components are available, but an integrated approach is needed. Pictures, drawings, maps, 3D views, etc. An expert team is necessary to do it.

DMB

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1280009#Comment_1280009

My feeling is that they don't have experts who truly understand graphics. Nowadays various components are available, but an integrated approach is needed. Pictures, drawings, maps, 3D views, etc. An expert team is necessary to do it.

Your comment would be ironic. L4's slow development, and molassas-icity was from a graphics base that had to be built. Remember the maps viewer, coded from scratch (seems). They've made several attempts at graphics, for sure.

DMB

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1280009#Comment_1280009

My feeling is that they don't have experts who truly understand graphics. Nowadays various components are available, but an integrated approach is needed. Pictures, drawings, maps, 3D views, etc. An expert team is necessary to do it.