Linux version of Logos Bible Software
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Rick Ratzlaff said:
Wow. It looks like this is more important that I thot. My gut feeling (100) is that Windows is going to evolve even more to the World Order each day. We can count on it. An alternative is going to be more important. My bet is for every one on this form there are at least a hundred (100) who would agree, and hundreds like me that are too old to figure out how to switch. Opening the door to Linux would provide real security to the Word. Thank you all for your input.
I'm part of a denomination that is very theological conservative, and that is part of what is motivating my switch. I don't really trust the big tech corporations. If they ever decide that they don't want to encourage or support those who teach against their companies philosophies, which is their right, I don't want to be scrambling to get things in place.
After getting my computer off of Microsoft, the next step is finding an email service that is on par with Gmail.0 -
Ya know what I'm going to start calling them to ask for Linux support.
They say on Customer Support that you can install Logos easily to any computer.
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I'll do the same.
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Kelly Smith said:
Ya know what I'm going to start calling them to ask for Linux support.
They say on Customer Support that you can install Logos easily to any computer.
Look at Bob Pritchet's response to the question about offering a Linux version on page 1 of this thread. This response was a few years ago, but I doubt there has been an uptick that warrants them to reconsider a decision.
That said, I have Logos running on my Debian 12 laptop and I have installed Logos within the Debian container on my Chromebooks. I enjoy all operating systems -- closed source as well as open source. It's good to have choice.
The work that has been done in the past couple of years by several individuals to get Logos running on Linux through Wine has been nothing short of exceptional. BTW, one of the developers said in the past (perhaps somewhere in this very long thread) that the Logos team assisted them in getting Logos 10 working on Linux in the lead up to the release of Logos 10 last year. While this was "unofficial" support, it was great to see them help.
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Yes, FaithLife is very supportive of our community effort to get Logos running on Linux through Wine. During Logos 10 development, they even reverted a change for us.
While the web app is the go to for unsupported OSes, some of this also has to do with the underlying SDK they are using for Logos, which isn't available on Linux, but was recently brought into a more opensource model. There's always potential down the road.
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Have any of you Linux experts been able to run macOS in a virtual machine on Linux?
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Bill Anderson said:
The work that has been done in the past couple of years by several individuals to get Logos running on Linux through Wine has been nothing short of exceptional. BTW, one of the developers said in the past (perhaps somewhere in this very long thread) that the Logos team assisted them in getting Logos 10 working on Linux in the lead up to the release of Logos 10 last year. While this was "unofficial" support, it was great to see them help.
I went back and checked the opening of the thread, and its from '09. That's incredible its still active!
But it looks like the issue is numbers, which I do understand from a marketability standpoint.
When I did call in the gentleman, Nathan, was familiar with the snap pack work around, and was an Arch Linux user. I told him that means we've got someone on the inside.I'm glad to see all the folks jumping in, and I will let y'all know how my Lutris situation looks once the indexing is finished, and then compare that with the snap package.
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Bill Anderson said:
The work that has been done in the past couple of years by several individuals to get Logos running on Linux through Wine has been nothing short of exceptional. BTW, one of the developers said in the past (perhaps somewhere in this very long thread) that the Logos team assisted them in getting Logos 10 working on Linux in the lead up to the release of Logos 10 last year. While this was "unofficial" support, it was great to see them help.
I went back and checked the opening of the thread, and its from '09. That's incredible its still active!
But it looks like the issue is numbers, which I do understand from a marketability standpoint.
When I did call in the gentleman, Nathan, was familiar with the snap pack work around, and was an Arch Linux user. I told him that means we've got someone on the inside.I'm glad to see all the folks jumping in, and I will let y'all know how my Lutris situation looks once the indexing is finished, and then compare that with the snap package.
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Kelly Smith said:
I'm glad to see all the folks jumping in, and I will let y'all know how my Lutris situation looks once the indexing is finished, and then compare that with the snap package.
With the recent Windows 10/11 issue, I resolved it by installing Wine staging, satisfying the dependencies to run the Logos on Linux script that Taylor is working on, finding the url for the last Logos version before 30.0 that caused the issues, and double clicking on that and Logos ran and installed. Automatic updates are off for the time being.
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I need to buy a new Laptop. How do I buy one with Linux on it? Then how complicated is it to marry up Logos and Linux. I read words from you all, I've never heard.
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Dell just recommended this to me. Dell certified with Ubuntu | Ubuntu
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Rick Ratzlaff said:
I need to buy a new Laptop. How do I buy one with Linux on it? Then how complicated is it to marry up Logos and Linux. I read words from you all, I've never heard.
I recently tried out two Lenovo Thinkpads (t14s and X13 -- both with AMD chips). Out of the box most things worked without having to tinker. This includes sound, wifi card, and the fingerprint scanner. I was pretty impressed. I installed Ubuntu on both.
It definitely takes some work both to install and maintain a Linux laptop. The key thing is to buy a Linux-friendly brand, like Lenovo. I haven't tried the Dells, but if they are "certified" to run Ubuntu, then that should help you decide.
Installing Logos on Linux also takes some work. You'll need to get your hands dirty at the command line, but once you learn basic principles for getting around, it will help you maintain your Linux installation as well. I am by no means an expert. Any knowledge of Linux I picked up doing it. When you get your laptop, we can help you here in this thread or on Telegram. Folks there are very helpful.
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Generally speaking, getting Linux to run an x86_64 computer isn't hard. Linux generally just works on these. The issue is with wifi cards, bluetooth, and the like. Some hardware is more Linux friendly than others. Most of your standard Intel processors will work just fine, though for Logos's sake you'll need probably at least an i3, i5, or i7.
For other things, like wifi, most compatibility concerns can be determined with a Google search.
If you are aiming to have a GPU, I would avoid Nvidia as their support on Linux somewhat varies. AMD and Intel dedicated are by far better supported, but even then you'd want to do some searching to verify compatibility.
Once Linux is running on your machine, in general, the difficulty for Logos is the same across the board for distros, and the snap project and the script are trying to make that as easy as possible for Linux newcomers.
In general, buying a laptop with Linux preloaded comes at a premium. I would try to avoid this.
We are currently working on a major rewrite to the script which should make it even better and easier to use.
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I ran the unofficial Logos10 script from snapcraft last night and it worked great! A lot less fiddly than messing around with the multiple wine installs and lutris.
I did it on a Arch linux install that was running kde.
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That is encouraging Kelly. My out of the box (old) question is, What do you mean "Logos 10 script". Is that a complete install of Logos?
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Rick Ratzlaff said:
That is encouraging Kelly. My out of the box (old) question is, What do you mean "Logos 10 script". Is that a complete install of Logos?
Apologies, I said script but meant the snap install. It is a full install, but it is for the version from August/September. I believe that is because they were having issues with one of the recent versions. There are clear instructions for multiple distributions. So whichever linux version you end up going with you should be good.
I don't know how new you are to the world of Linux, but I've recommended Linux Mint to a number of folks, as that often works out of the box.[quote]
I've got a working version using the snap here: https://snapcraft.io/logos10-unofficial
The snap currently keeps Logos from going to version 30 which is necessary for now.
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Rick Ratzlaff said:
My out of the box (old) question is, What do you mean "Logos 10 script". Is that a complete install of Logos?
There are at least two ways to install Logos on Linux:
- The "snap" method which Kelly describes. Snap is a new form of package management to install programs that Ubuntu uses.
- The "script" method detailed here: https://github.com/ferion11/LogosLinuxInstaller. This method also is intended to be a somewhat automated way to install Logos on Linux.
Both will get the job done. Once the Logos installer starts, the installation is just like on Windows.
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Forgive me if the question is dumb. I am not a Linux user (ok 20 years ago I was for a few months). I was reading about steam's version of wine called protondb? Has anyone tried to run logos through this? This might be a dumb question really, I am not a tech person, nor do I act like I understand computers.
Maybe one of you people with experience can give it a shot and let us know what the results are? From my understanding steam has windows only games playing just fine on linux? Maybe Logos will run just fine also?
I am despite to ditch windows, I'm looking at buying a mac mini, but I can't see giving them my money either. Would much rather keep building my own pc's and installing linux. But 65% of the time on the computer is Logos, soooo.
Maybe, just maybe they should listen to their customer base and get a linux version up and running. I understand it's a small community, but if developers would add support more of us would switch. Logos is my only hang up. Sooooo sick of windows and apple's values don't really line up with my own.
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Forgive me if the question is dumb. I am not a Linux user (ok 20 years ago I was for a few months). I was reading about steam's version of wine called protondb? Has anyone tried to run logos through this? This might be a dumb question really, I am not a tech person, nor do I act like I understand computers.
Maybe one of you people with experience can give it a shot and let us know what the results are? From my understanding steam has windows only games playing just fine on linux? Maybe Logos will run just fine also?
I am despite to ditch windows, I'm looking at buying a mac mini, but I can't see giving them my money either. Would much rather keep building my own pc's and installing linux. But 65% of the time on the computer is Logos, soooo.
Maybe, just maybe they should listen to their customer base and get a linux version up and running. I understand it's a small community, but if developers would add support more of us would switch. Logos is my only hang up. Sooooo sick of windows and apple's values don't really line up with my own.
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So true MB!
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Michael Burr said:
Maybe one of you people with experience can give it a shot and let us know what the results are? From my understanding steam has windows only games playing just fine on linux? Maybe Logos will run just fine also?
Yes, some have gotten Logos to work on Proton. I tried once, but failed. This was more my lack of knowledge and skills in understanding how to get it working than the method itself. Perhaps John Goodman or Taylor will see this post and reply back with the detailed steps.
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Michael Burr said:
Forgive me if the question is dumb. I am not a Linux user (ok 20 years ago I was for a few months). I was reading about steam's version of wine called protondb? Has anyone tried to run logos through this? This might be a dumb question really, I am not a tech person, nor do I act like I understand computers.
Maybe one of you people with experience can give it a shot and let us know what the results are? From my understanding steam has windows only games playing just fine on linux? Maybe Logos will run just fine also?
I had the same thought, and I could get it to install through steam, but when I went to open the application, it would keep crashing. I tried on a Garuda Linux install which is an arch-based distro aimed at gamers. I figured that would have the best optimizations. I was able to get it run through Lutris though. I set wine for windows 10, and that worked ok, it was a bit slow, and I can't tell if that is because I was running it on an older computer. (It's a Lenovo y50-70 with an Nvidia 1080 Mobile, I don't have any AMD machines, but I know they have better support on Linux than Nvidia)
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Is there a version compatible with arm64? I tried using the snap version and it said that the beta was compatible with amd64. I am on a Macbook Pro 16" that has Fedora Asahi Linux installed on it and it has access to arm64 architecture not amd64.
Wine was not being cooperative from the Discover app nor was Bottles as they both refuse to open. Lutris opens but I tried to install the windows 64 bit version and it did not go through.
Should I use the mac download from: https://wiki.logos.com/Logos_Downloads_Archive instead of the windows version when going through Lutris?
Is it even possible to install Logos on Mac (arm64) with Fedora Asahi Linux? Is there another software solution for the Mac or am I stuck having to boot back into MacOS for Logos? Is the only solution a hardware one if I don't want to use MacOS?
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At one point I asked whether the Logos on Linux script (not the snap version) would install on Arm because I had a Macbook Air M1 at the time. I was told it would not. amd64 is a different architecture than arm64.
All of the methods of installing Logos on Linux that I am aware of depend on the implementation of Wine, which installs Windows apps. At one point I believe Faithlife was working on a Windows Arm version of Logos, but I haven't heard anything about the status of it for a while now.
So, I think you will have to boot back into MacOS for Logos.
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Running Linux Mint, I have used the Wine script to run Logos. Overall, I've been very pleased. Perhaps the primary annoyance is Logos wanting to re-download my resources with certain updates. This doesn't help my data limits! For those who have used both that script and snap, which has been smoother? I haven't used the latter yet. Does it also have the re-download issue?
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We have begun doing some work testing box64 and FEX, which allow running Linux x86_64 binaries on Arm64, and thus running Wine64 and Windows x86_64 software on Linux Arm64, but this goal is currently in the background.
If you have interest in helping get this working, I would be glad to help in whatever way I can through Telegram/Matrix.
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It used to update fine before. Now updates caused the following error:
The installation of Logos Bible Study did not succeed.cat /etc/lsb-release
DISTRIB_ID=Ubuntu
DISTRIB_RELEASE=22.04
DISTRIB_CODENAME=jammy
DISTRIB_DESCRIPTION="Ubuntu 22.04.3 LTS"wine --version
wine-9.0-rc2 (Staging)uname -a
Linux PC3 5.15.0-91-generic #101-Ubuntu SMP Tue Nov 14 13:30:08 UTC 2023 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux0 -
It is hard to say what the problem is because we don't know which version of Logos caused this, but I will say there are issues with Wine installing version 30. I had to find the link to the last version in version 29, install that, and block automatic updates.
I recommend joining the Logos on Linux group on Telegram or Matrix for support issues.
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Version 30 has new dependencies... I've found a way to install it but not to get it stable yet. I am working on it though.
גַּם־חֹשֶׁךְ֮ לֹֽא־יַחְשִׁ֪יךְ מִ֫מֶּ֥ךָ וְ֭לַיְלָה כַּיּ֣וֹם יָאִ֑יר כַּ֝חֲשֵׁיכָ֗ה כָּאוֹרָֽה
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