Disagreement

Bob Diebel
Bob Diebel Member Posts: 388
edited November 21 in English Forum

My search for Granville Sharp rule showed only one for Colossians at 4:7.

But when I did a chart it showed 2.

Why is that?

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  • MJ. Smith
    MJ. Smith Member, MVP Posts: 53,072 ✭✭✭✭✭

    How did you search? What was your search argument? What was your search on - verses or chapters? I can think of several combinations that would give your results.

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  • Kiyah
    Kiyah Member Posts: 2,803 ✭✭✭✭

    Also, which bible are you searching in? Some bibles show 1 result, others show 2. The NA28 shows 1 result but the ESV shows 2, for example.

  • Kiyah
    Kiyah Member Posts: 2,803 ✭✭✭✭

    The ESV has 2 results in 1 verse. But it's really just the tagging of the English, there's only one result in Greek:

  • Bob Diebel
    Bob Diebel Member Posts: 388

    Looks like it is telling me there is two instances in the one verse.

  • Rick Brannan
    Rick Brannan Member, MVP Posts: 217 ✭✭

    Here's my semi-regular reminder that all sorts of grammatical constructions (including Granville Sharp's first rule, as well as conditional statements, Colwell's rule, and other stuff) are encoded in the Greek Grammatical Constructions (and Hebrew Grammatical Constructions) datasets.

    Sharp's first rule is complicated, has semantic and contextual constraints, and is impossible to wrap in a single query. So relying on the dataset is a good thing. Here's an example.

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  • Bob Diebel
    Bob Diebel Member Posts: 388

    This is my understanding of what his rule is:

    The Granville Sharp rule (TSKS construction) states:

    If two

    (1) singular,

    (2) personal,

    (3) non-proper nouns (substantives)

    (4) of the same case

    (5) are connected by καί and

    (6) the article precedes the first substantive

    (7) and is not repeated before the second substantive,

    then the second substantive always refers to the same person that is expressed or described by the first substantive.

    In other words, if ALL the conditions are met, then the first and second substantives describe the same person.

    Note: Many problems arise if ALL limitations are not observed

  • Mal Walker
    Mal Walker Member Posts: 388 ✭✭✭

    Here's my semi-regular reminder that all sorts of grammatical constructions (including Granville Sharp's first rule, as well as conditional statements, Colwell's rule, and other stuff) are encoded in the Greek Grammatical Constructions (and Hebrew Grammatical Constructions) datasets.

    Oh my, how have I not known about this!? I've been tinkering with searches trying to figure out how to look these up for the last year and apparently I could have just been using this!? [:'(][:|] Well, glad I know now! Thanks for pointing it out Rick!

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