Help with reading plan
Every December when I go to create my reading plan for the next year, I realize again how unintuitive and unusable the reading plan feature is.
My biggest complaint is that if I "edit" an existing plan, making a change is immediately applied. I don't get an opportunity to cancel or undo. That's super painful for something as long-running as an annual reading plan. There should really be a "Save changes" option if the reading plan is active. My workaround is to duplicate the reading plan so that I can "edit" and see how to access details of my current reading plan.
My immediate issue, however, is figuring out how to access the reference range I specified for this year's reading plan. I manually created that range as a text string, i.e.
Gen
Matt
Ex
Mark
etc..
It's a big intricate, not as simple as just all the books individually.
In the past, I could go in to the reading plan and, while "editing", and click the range. The dialog that appears would have that reference range in its list someplace so that I could copy it and use it for next year.
Is that no longer possible? Now all I see are "All Passages", a saved range of mine from a long time ago, and the pre-filled list of "Common Divisions." Is this no longer possible? Can I no longer access that text string of books/passages as I've been able to in the past?
Thanks much.
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Donnie Hale said:
In the past, I could go in to the reading plan and, while "editing", and click the range. The dialog that appears would have that reference range in its list someplace so that I could copy it and use it for next year.
Is that no longer possible?
That ability is no longer available, so I would post a separate BUG report.
Dave
===Windows 11 & Android 13
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Dave,
Thanks for the reply.
At first I thought your statement "that ability is no longer available" was just referring to being able to edit a plan where I'd hand-supplied a reference range. However, I'm now trying to create a plan as I have for the past several years:
- New reading plan
- Generate a Reading Plan
- Click "All Passages"
- Enter a "reference range" in the text box, e.g. "Ge; Ex; Le; Nu; ..."Unfortunately, as soon as I put a semicolon character in that text box, the box border turns red - it's some kind of error.
So now I'm wondering if your comment meant that you could no longer create a reading plan at all using a semicolon separated list of references. Is that what you meant?
If so, do you know if that's "by design" - that the feature was intentionally removed? If so, then why does the "reference range" text box still exist on that popup? What are we supposed to do with it?
If it's not by design, is that why you suggested posting a BUG report?
Are you aware of any workarounds - some way to get something into the list so that I can pick from it?
I've been faithfully relying on Logos reading plans for ~14 years. If there's no way to get this to work, I'll not be able to use it for 2024.
Thanks again - I appreciate it.
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Donnie Hale said:
- Enter a "reference range" in the text box, e.g. "Ge; Ex; Le; Nu; ..."
Unfortunately, as soon as I put a semicolon character in that text box, the box border turns red - it's some kind of error.
The last entry cannot have a semi-colon or comma e.g. Ge; Ex; Le; Nu
Give your range a Title and Save it for future use.
Donnie Hale said:If so, do you know if that's "by design" - that the feature was intentionally removed? If so, then why does the "reference range" text box still exist on that popup? What are we supposed to do with it?
If it's not by design, is that why you suggested posting a BUG report?
If the range is not saved it cannot be copied from the popup when you hover the Read entry. I'm suggesting that is worth reporting as a bug.
The text box is cleared after the Reading Plan is closed (it is blank when next opened in a tab). There is no workaround if the range is not saved.
Dave
===Windows 11 & Android 13
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Dave,
Thanks again for the detailed reply. That did the trick.
It's still a bit frustrating that I gave Logos 365 individual entries as a reference range, but it decided to combine some and split some across days. (Yes, I know it's a leap year - I have the plan ending on Dec 30.) But it's ~98% what I want.
I'll look at a bug when I get a chance.
Happy New Year.
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I'm having the same problem that Donnie seemed to have. But I can't find any solution that does not leave the 'add session' button greyed out. I have a very detailed chronological Bible reading that I have used in Logos for years. Each year I edit it slightly. In previous years I was able to paste my edited version for the new year in the reference box and generate a new reading plan. This year I was no longer able to do this. The first couple of lines of my plan saved from previous years (which still works if I select one of the saved plans reads like this: Ge 1–11; 1 Ch 1:1-27; Ge 12–50; Job; 1 Ch 1:28-2:2; Ex–Le; Nu 1–15; Ps 90; Nu 16–36; Dt; Ps 91; Jos; 1 Ch 2:3-55; Jdg; Ru; 1 Sa 1–20; Ps 11; 59; 1 Sa 21–24; Ps 7; 27; 31; 34; 52; 56; 57; 120; 140–142; 1 Sa 25–27. I tried just typing in the first three references and it still 'greys' our the 'add session' box. Is there a solution?
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"Add session" sounds like you're using a custom reading plan, whereas I'm using a generated reading plan.
Is that correct?
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When I get to the screen with three options, "Choose a predefined Reading Plan", "Generate a Reading Plan" and "Custom Reading Plan" the only one which allows me to see my previously saved reading plans is "Generate a Reading Plan". When I click on this and then select "All Passages". My previously saved reading plans all appear. I've encountered a second problem this year. This year when I chose a saved reading plan from previous years, it generates a reading plan close to the one I want but defaults to the original Bible for which the plan was saved. I change the translation that I read every year. When I change the Bible, on the setup screen, it generates a new reading plan in the translation I want to use this year. However, the tab which is generated on the home screen always reverts to the Bible in which the original reading plan was saved. I can't find a way to edit this so that it opens to the new Bible. I can't completely delete the old plans and start from scratch because I can't find a way to put in my custom list of passages.in a new reading plan.
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I see that when I paste my new list references in the reference box on this screen, it is a 'save' button and not 'add session'. But it is still greyed out when I try to add a different reference set. I have also tried everything to get the default Bible to change. I've deleted all the annual reading plans from the documents tab. I've changed my preferred Bible to the Bible I want to read this year. I've then generated a brand new reading plan using one of my saved list of references from previous years. It opens showing that the Bible is set to the preferred Bible for this year. But when I open it from the home screen, it reverts back to last year's Bible. Sometimes it seems that every new version of Logos is worse than the one before.
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Richard Grady said:
When I change the Bible, on the setup screen, it generates a new reading plan in the translation I want to use this year. However, the tab which is generated on the home screen always reverts to the Bible in which the original reading plan was saved.
A screenshot would clarify this, because I have no problem with it (I also change the title to reflect the new Plan).
This used to be titled "Read ESV Pr by Dec 31", with Read Proverbs by Default in ESV....and finishing Dec 31 (in 2023).
If you have done this (and clicked the Done button), you could try deleting the card on the Home Screen and using the Dashboard menu to reinsert it.Are you on Mac/Windows. What version of Logos?
Dave
===Windows 11 & Android 13
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Richard Grady said:
I see that when I paste my new list references in the reference box on this screen, it is a 'save' button and not 'add session'. But it is still greyed out when I try to add a different reference set.
If your Plan resembles my screenshot (not being a Custom Reading Plan), then you will see a "Save" button. But upload a screenshot showing this to avoid misunderstanding.
The Save button is not greyed out because I entered "Prov" as a title for the references (as with "Poetic Writings" above it).
Dave
===Windows 11 & Android 13
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I don't know how to add a screen shot to this forum. Every time I drag a photo to this message box, my browser just opens another tab on the browser. Cut and Paste does not work either.
But here is a description of my problem. If I choose one of the previously saved options it works. If I type in the references one by one, it seems to work as well. But, in the past, I could grab the entire 1 1/2 pages of references and paste them into the reference box without a problem. Now it just leave the save box 'greyed out'. Every year, as I read through the Scriptures, I tweak this chronological reading document a bit. I don't want to type 1 1/2 pages of single spaced references separated by semicolons into the reference box. I have last year's chronological list of references saved as a reading plan. I seem to be able to use that one (except for the problem below). But I can't create a newly edited plan. Below is the first of about 40 single space lines of text.
Ge 1–11; 1 Ch 1:1-27; Job; Ge 12–50; 1 Ch 1:28-2:2; Ex–Le; Nu 1–15; Ps 90; Nu 16–36; Dt; Ps 91; Jos; 1 Ch 2:3-55
My other problem relates to the Bible which opens from my home page. The home page reading plan box defaults to the net Bible -- even though the reading plan is set up for another Bible. It works fine until I close Logos. When I open Logos the next time and open my reading for the day, I'm back in the Net Bible and not the translation the reading plan is set up for. Only when I manually change the resource to the correct translation for this year, does the reference for the day show up on the screen.
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You need to use the paperclip or the amber icon to its right for including an attachment. As you discovered dragging does not work.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Thank you. I would not have found the paperclip without your help. Every time I tried to do a screen shot the drop down menu would disappear. So I took a photo of my screen. I can get this far. But when I paste my list of references into the reference box, as you can see, the 'All passages' never changes. It does not accept what I put in the reference box and the 'save' button stays 'greyed' out. Most of the previous chronological lists have a reading from the OT, a reading from NT, and a Proverb each day.
I can select any of my previously saved chronological lists from previous years, which are nearly identical to the one I want to use this year and the software accepts it. But it seems to lock onto the Net Bible which is the Bible that I read in 2023 as the Bible to default to when I open my reading plan from the home page..
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From your screenshot, I can see a "pipe" character (|) in your reference range. That might be an invalid character.
When I was getting the red border, I added a bit of the range at a time until I found which portion of it was invalid. For me, it was a chapter range of the form "1-1" that I had to fix.
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Richard Grady said:
But when I paste my list of references into the reference box, as you can see, the 'All passages' never changes. It does not accept what I put in the reference box and the 'save' button stays 'greyed'
Please paste the references shown in your screenshot (the pipe character | is valid). The other ranges you pasted were OK and could be saved.
Richard Grady said:I can select any of my previously saved chronological lists from previous years, which are nearly identical to the one I want to use this year and the software accepts it. But it seems to lock onto the Net Bible which is the Bible that I read in 2023 as the Bible to default to when I open my reading plan from the home page..
Upload a proper screenshot of this Plan + the card on the Home Page .
Dave
===Windows 11 & Android 13
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At the bottom is the current reading plan as shown in Documents. It is the only reading plan in documents at present. Above it is the card on my home page. At the top is what opens when I click on the card. The Net Bible layout is the layout that I used for my reading plan in 2023 with the same documents linked to it.
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I've been using Logos since it came out on 5 1/4" floppy discs. For years it cost hundreds of dollars to purchase the new versions of the software. I've done this a few times over the years. But I've grown rather grumpy in my old age. So, I'm still using Logos 9. Perhaps that is my problem. The notations that I'm using in my reference list came directly from a previous version of Logos, which as Donnie noted in the original post, one used to be able to copy and paste into a separate document for editing and then paste back in the reference box.
It seems to me that with each new version of Logos, things which used to be rather simple and intuitive now need a degree in computer programming to accomplish.
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Richard Grady said:
So, I'm still using Logos 9. Perhaps that is my problem. The notations that I'm using in my reference list came directly from a previous version of Logos, which as Donnie noted in the original post, one used to be able to copy and paste into a separate document for editing and then paste back in the reference box.
You have a Saved entry that you can use on a new Plan.
I cannot reproduce your problem in Logos 30.1, and we cannot create a bug report for your unsupported version. So my suggestion is to:
- remove the card from the Home Page
- delete the Plan in Documents
- recreate the Plan from the New menu
Dave
===Windows 11 & Android 13
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I solved the second problem. I had a customized reading plan layout saved. I needed to update that layout to get it to default to the current book.
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Richard Grady said:
I solved the second problem. I had a customized reading plan layout saved. I needed to update that layout to get it to default to the current book.
So you had two Plans with the same name and only one appeared on the Home Page?
And the first problem is...?
Dave
===Windows 11 & Android 13
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I only had one reading plan. But under layouts I had a customized reading plan layout in the 'Quick Start Layouts' which was taking priority over what I had in 'Saved Layouts'. Once I updated the layout in 'Quick Start Layouts' everything started working.
My first problem is that I can't paste my revised reading plan into the reference box. I've played around with it and the program seems to take two to three lines of text. (Even this seems to take 30 seconds or so to register) But once the amount of text exceeds that amount, it just freezes up and doesn't do anything. I've tried different sections of the reading plan with just a couple of lines and it works. But as soon as I try four or five lines. Nothing happens. I've been over this entire document several times. I can't find any errors.
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I tried two things today. First I saved my reading plan to ASCII to see if there was anything strange. Sure enough most but not all of the character "-" in Microsoft Word appeared in ASCII as "?". I changed all of those to "-". Still did not work. So then I tried right clicking on one of the previously save reading plans which works perfectly, copying and pasting the references into the reference box to see if it could be saved as a new reading plan. It doesn't work. Everything stays 'greyed out'. If I can't even save the references from a working reading plan again under a new name. it seems that this function of Logos no longer works.
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Richard Grady said:Richard Grady said:
My first problem is that I can't paste my revised reading plan into the reference box. I've played around with it and the program seems to take two to three lines of text.
there is a problem pasting the Chronological-Bible-References into the Reference box, and I will raise a bug thread. But it will only be fixed in a new version of Logos (not Logos 9).
Dave
===Windows 11 & Android 13
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Thanks Dave, I'd love to know when this is fixed. I might bite the bullet and pay the hundreds of dollars to upgrade again. It is rather irritating when Logos breaks one of the features that I really liked and then charges this much to get a version that fixes what they broke.
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Richard Grady said:
Thanks Dave, I'd love to know when this is fixed. I might bite the bullet and pay the hundreds of dollars to upgrade again. It is rather irritating when Logos breaks one of the features that I really liked and then charges this much to get a version that fixes what they broke.
The update is free (stop blocking it!).
The fix is uncertain, but track this thread.
Dave
===Windows 11 & Android 13
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How do I get this free? When I looked this was all that I could find.
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Richard Grady said:
How do I get this free? When I looked this was all that I could find.
Dave was referring to updating the Logos software itself; upgrading is paying to add new features/functions.
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I think I am updated. I'm using software version 31.1.4 January 2024. But I don't know that I'll get the 'fix' if it is done at some future time. I think I have Logos 9 not Logos 10 which is being updated.
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