Annoyance: Volume 2, but NOT volume 1...Inconceivable!

Joseph Turner
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edited November 2024 in English Forum

Every time I have updated the Denver Annotated Bibliographies since 2012, I have wondered about the following:

 Johnstone, William. 1 & 2 Chronicles, Volume 1: 1-2 Chronicles 9: Israel’s Place among the Nations. Sheffield, 1997. A literary and rhetorical study of Chronicles as a text of hope for restoration in future generations.

_______________. 1 & 2 Chronicles, Volume 2: 2 Chronicles 10-36: Guilt and Atonement. Sheffield, 1997.

Why, Logos?!?  Why would you offer the second volume and not the first?!?  This goes against the natural order of things and risks turning the entire universe on its end.

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  • Joseph Turner
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    Similary, we have volumes 1, 3, and 4 of Grabbe's A History of the Jews and Judaism in the Second Temple Period, but we don't have the second volume.  The fourth is in pre-pub right now.  

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  • MJ. Smith
    MJ. Smith MVP Posts: 55,543

    Why, Logos?!?  Why would you offer the second volume and not the first?!?  This goes against the natural order of things and risks turning the entire universe on its end.

    There is a very, very high probability that Logos does not have the rights for the first volume. The options are: (a) have none of the work or (b) have the second volume. Logos chose the latter.

    Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."

  • Joseph Turner
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    MJ. Smith said:

    Why, Logos?!?  Why would you offer the second volume and not the first?!?  This goes against the natural order of things and risks turning the entire universe on its end.

    There is a very, very high probability that Logos does not have the rights for the first volume. The options are: (a) have none of the work or (b) have the second volume. Logos chose the latter.

    That's certainly possible, but I'm not sure why the publisher would allow one volume and not the other.

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  • Rosie Perera
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    MJ. Smith said:

    Why, Logos?!?  Why would you offer the second volume and not the first?!?  This goes against the natural order of things and risks turning the entire universe on its end.

    There is a very, very high probability that Logos does not have the rights for the first volume. The options are: (a) have none of the work or (b) have the second volume. Logos chose the latter.

    That's certainly possible, but I'm not sure why the publisher would allow one volume and not the other.

    Yes, since it's the same publisher, that would be highly weird. It's especially strange in this case because Volume 2 is not available as a Kindle book and Volume 1 is. Actually, that might explain the different licensing possibilities for the two volumes. Maybe Logos would refuse to do this book as anything but a Logos Research Edition (which is how they do all these Sheffield Academic books. But maybe the publisher would only provide them with the ebook text suitable for a FLEB, since that's what they've got available for Volume 1, and it would be more work to make it into a Logos Research Edition.

    In any event, the best way to ask for a book that is not (yet) available in Logos is to post (and/or vote for) a request for it on the Feedback board. There is a request for this volume already over on Feedbear, so please vote for it:

    https://feedback.logos.com/boards/logos-book-requests/posts/1-2-chronicles-volume-1-isbn-1850756937 

    Similary, we have volumes 1, 3, and 4 of Grabbe's A History of the Jews and Judaism in the Second Temple Period, but we don't have the second volume.  The fourth is in pre-pub right now.  

    Same goes for this one. Vote here:

    https://feedback.logos.com/boards/logos-book-requests/posts/a-history-of-the-jews-and-judaism-in-the-second-temple-period-grabbe-volume-2

    Thank you, Joseph, for bringing these to my attention. I had not known about the missing volumes or the suggestions yet. I've now voted for both.

  • Joseph Turner
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    I had not known about the missing volumes or the suggestions yet. I've now voted for both.

    I intended to make entries when I had a chance, but you've found that they already exist.  Thanks, and voted!

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  • MJ. Smith
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    That's certainly possible, but I'm not sure why the publisher would allow one volume and not the other.

    The publisher is not the only player. It depends on the rights the author granted the publisher. Sometimes, Logos has to work with both.

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  • Rosie Perera
    Rosie Perera Member Posts: 26,194 ✭✭✭✭✭

    MJ. Smith said:

    That's certainly possible, but I'm not sure why the publisher would allow one volume and not the other.

    The publisher is not the only player. It depends on the rights the author granted the publisher. Sometimes, Logos has to work with both.

    And here it's the same author for both. It might have just been an oversight, and the fact that it's a $245 book (available in hardcover only) means nobody is buying it except libraries anyway and there's little motivation from either the publisher or Logos or the author to work further on pursuing digitizing this. It's too bad, because a digital edition would cost much less and a few people might buy it. But it might not be enough to warrant the work.