Use Internet (YES) | Automatically Download Resources (NO)
QUESTION: *Is there any other way to use LOGOS on a laptop or desktop so that all resources always stay "in the cloud" and do not download to the internal hard drive?
BACK STORY I'm a worship pastor who uses Logos to write Scripture-Guided/Gospel-Liturgies that guide the flow of our worship services. As a worship pastor (with no other worship ministry paid staff) my computer is also full of music software for sunday morning: things such as Logic Pro, Main-Stage, Instrument Plugins, Processing Plugins, etc. I also have video editing software, to manage sermon videos. I'm presently using a MacBook Pro that has a 500GB hard drive and I have used up 450GB. I have 8TB of external drives for a Studio Library, Music Instrument Samples, Video Sermon Library, Worship Arts, External Docs, and Time Machine.
I have set my Logos settings to Use Internet (Yes) | Automatically Download Resources (No), and I download only particular resources as needed, and then remove them again afterwards to keep my HDD from filling up. I prefer to work this way in order to keep space on the Mac hard drive so music production/performance does not get bogged down. I am always having to disregard the message the says I have updates. Today it said I have 5.6GB of updates and if I update it, then all my resources get put back on my computer. There seems to be an option to download UPDATES (both software and resources), and an option to download ONLY RESOURCES, but not an option to UPDATE SOFTWARE ONLY and leave all resources OFFLINE or "in the cloud".
NOTE: It isn't helpful that Mac has made it very difficult to keep the HDD clean. Device backups (iPhones, iPads, laptops), Photos from all devices, Photo shared-albums from family and friends, iCloud Documents and Desktops... all get stored on the internal HDD when shared to Apple's iCloud. I have taken all measures to keep these things off of the internal drive.
If it is not possible to ALWAYS leave ALL RESOURCES in "the Cloud" (and not download them with software updates) I would like to request that this please be a consideration for the future. Thanks. Dave
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I hope you find a solution soon. Sounds like you would benefit from my 2018 Mac Book Pro with a 1TB SSD. I've used ~650 GB of storage thus far.
Best wishes and Godspeed. Beloved
Meanwhile, Jesus kept on growing wiser and more mature, and in favor with God and his fellow man.
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MacBook Pro MacOS Sequoia 15.5 1TB SSD
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Thanks Beloved Amodeo.
My current solution of never downloading the updates is working for now, but it would be nice to be able to update the software without downloading the resources.
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You're welcome, Dave.
If I may offer a suggestion. If your purpose is to hear from or at least have someone from Logos address this issue, I would put this post in the Logos desktop app forum and perhaps modify my subject to say something like "Looking to update without downloading resources."
Meanwhile, Jesus kept on growing wiser and more mature, and in favor with God and his fellow man.
International Standard Version. (2011). (Lk 2:52). Yorba Linda, CA: ISV Foundation.
MacBook Pro MacOS Sequoia 15.5 1TB SSD
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Thanks. Great Suggestion.
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Dave Hill said:
Today it said I have 5.6GB of updates and if I update it, then all my resources get put back on my computer.
I'm not an expert on the Logos software, but I'm pretty sure an "update" will replace resources that are already on your system. I don't think it downloads everything ...
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I think it does, because initially when I decided to move the resources off-line I meticulously left about 100 resources on my computer and removed everything else, but then I hit the update button and in the Library/Menu Sidebar where it said "On this Device 100" all the resources downloaded again.
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Dave Hill said:
I think it does, because initially when I decided to move the resources off-line I meticulously left about 100 resources on my computer and removed everything else, but then I hit the update button and in the Library/Menu Sidebar where it said "On this Device 100" all the resources downloaded again.
Do you mean that you manually deleted the resource files from your machine? Or do you mean that you removed them using the options in the Library panel?
In the first case, you are experiencing the expected behavior, but in the second case, they shouldn't be trying to come back.
Andrew Batishko | Logos software developer
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Dave Hill said:
I think it does, because initially when I decided to move the resources off-line I meticulously left about 100 resources on my computer and removed everything else, but then I hit the update button and in the Library/Menu Sidebar where it said "On this Device 100" all the resources downloaded again.
"Automatically Download Resources (No)" is supposed to leave everything in the cloud unless you manually download it
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John said:
"Automatically Download Resources (No)" is supposed to leave everything in the cloud unless you manually download it
I assume you are talking about the "Automatically Start Downloads" setting. This has nothing to do with management of Cloud books. It only controls whether a book download starts automatically, but turning this on will also prevent updating of books you do have downloaded.
If you want to manage which books are in the Cloud, then you want to do this from your library. You can select books and remove them from the device or mark them for download. Doing this will indicate to the application which books should be downloaded, allowing you to still receive application updates and updates for books you have downloaded.
Andrew Batishko | Logos software developer
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Hi Andrew, I'll try to clarify.
I used the Library Panel to "delete" or "remove" books from my machine. I haven't manually searched for resources on my computer to delete them. Also I don't want to delete any resources permanently from my Logos Library. I just don't want to store them all on my Hard Drive. (Logos.com "Use Online" is an option but I do prefer the software).
Where I am confused is that whenever there are updates, I get a notification bar saying I have updates. I'm assuming this update is for both books as well as software (but perhaps it is just for books?). I would like to download any software updates to my computer, but since I keep most of my library in the cloud (and have the setting to Automatically Download Resources set to OFF) I don't want to download the book updates to my computer, but I do want my books in the cloud to be updated (or are they automatically updated in the cloud?).
If I select the Download link in the notification bar that says I have updates, it DOES download all 2700+ resources to my computer, despite the fact that I have Download Resources turned OFF. I verified this just a few minutes ago...with Download Resources turned OFF I selected the Download Link and watched the "On This Device" number start climbing. At 30% download the number of resources on my computer had risen to 786, and my HD lost about 15 GB's of space. So I stopped the download, then selected all the resources in the Library Panel (except those that I want to keep on my computer) and "deleted" them from my device. My internal HD then gained 15GB of space.
My Conclusion is that.... Downloading updates from the notification bar is a manual download that overrides the user settings. Therefore, it is best for me to turn OFF the notification bar in settings, so I don't see that there are updates, and not worry whether LOGOS is up to date or not, and just periodically reinstall Logos to keep it up to date.
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I'm not seeing the behavior you describe. Any resources that I have set to not download, don't download.
If the info panel says downloaded it appears in the This device facet and downloads when updated.
If the info panel says download it appears on the Not on this device facet and does not download when updates.
Isn't that what you see?
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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I'm happy it works for you MJ. [:)]
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Dave, something is definitely not working the way it should, but I can't quite tell where the issue is.
Can you include a screenshot of you library information panel with one of the resources selected that you would expect to remain a cloud resource? Something similar to what MJ is showing. Note that you will need to use the paperclip button to attach your screenshot to your post.
I'm suspicious that the dropdown that she has circled in red shows for you that it's trying to download the item. If this is the case, you may need to either mark the undesired books as removed again, or if that doesn't change the state, then you might be caught in a bad state, and I think I can get the support team to contact you with some help.
Andrew Batishko | Logos software developer
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Andrew Batishko said:
mark the undesired books as read again, or if that doesn't change the state
is this what you mean? I didn't use the read flag at all.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Andrew Batishko | Logos software developer
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Andrew Batishko said:
I assume you are talking about the "Automatically Start Downloads" setting.
I had cut and pasted from the OP. I guess my memory was wrong.
This page Select which resources to download shows how to do a minimal install and prevent books from automatically downloading.
The option is "Download New Books" YES or NO.
https://support.logos.com/hc/en-us/articles/360025106492-Select-which-resources-to-download#download said:You can control whether Logos downloads new books automatically or stores them in the cloud through Program Settings. The setting to Download New Books is found in the Internet section and is set to Yes by default.
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Yes, but the behavior you were describing is not controlled by "Download New Books"; it is controlled by the download option shown in the information panel of each resource. That is why we need to see the actual value of that option on a resource that is giving you problems. See my post for the picture of what we must see.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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MJ. Smith said:
Yes, but the behavior you were describing is not controlled by "Download New Books"; it is controlled by the download option shown in the information panel of each resource. That is why we need to see the actual value of that option on a resource that is giving you problems. See my post for the picture of what we must see.
It does seem confusing doesn't it? But the same page I linked to shows this:
https://support.logos.com/hc/en-us/articles/360025106492-Select-which-resources-to-download">
Configure on First Login
Your first exposure to Cloud Books may occur when doing a fresh installation of Logos or signing into an account on your device for the first time.
When you initiate either of these processes, Logos will display a new configuration screen allowing you to select sets of resources to download before the software opens for the first time. Your options include:
- Minimal: includes datasets and a few books.
- Quick Install: includes all items from the Minimal option plus a curated list of books in your Library and any books you have added to your preferred books list.
- Everything: includes all books in your library.
Each option will provide an estimated install size to help determine which set to download. Through your library, you can always download books that weren’t included in the resource set you selected.
I am thinking that upon initial installation on Desktop it gives you the option to download the entire library, or only the minimum. On Mobile it leaves everything in the cloud by default.
The options you select on individual resources then change the setting for just those selected resources.
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Dave Hill said:
if I update it, then all my resources get put back on my computer.
This is the portion of your original post that sounds like a genuine problem - this is what can be answered ONLY by your posting the screen shot requested. If this is not part of your problem, I'll stop trying to solve it. What you are requesting should be the normal behavior which is why I assumed this statement was the key to your problem.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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