discipline is a strong character-qualification of the spirit... how about waiting a few more months untill the HP slate is on the market. Any known disadvantages or advantages to expect in comparising the iPad with the HP slate?
how about waiting a few more months
Discipline is always good and we should exercise it in our lives.
Waiting may or may not be an act of discipline. It just depends on your needs. The problem that I see with your logic is that in a few months, Apple will announce their new improvements that will best the Slate. And, the cycle continues in the technology war. Therefore, with electronic gadgets, waiting just to wait doesn't really work.
My solution is, get the platform that you can afford and that works best for you at the time (AND, one that runs Logos well!). Save your money and in a couple more years buy the next new and improved "needed" gadget. Then, bless someone with your old one! [:)]
Any known disadvantages or advantages to expect in comparising the iPad with the HP slate?
Engadget article includes iPad and HP Slate comparison with specifications:
http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/05/hp-slate-to-cost-549-have-1-6ghz-atom-z530-5-hour-battery/
Appears HP Slate is Windows 7 touch screen net-book, meeting minimum Logos 4 technical requirements:
http://www.logos.com/support/techfaq
In contrast, iPad runs iPhone OS - lacks some Logos 4 desktop features (e.g. Biblical People):
http://www.logos.com/ipad
For portable use, iPad has significantly longer battery life and power adapter needs 1/3 less energy.
For durability, suspect iPad better. Like several competitors, HP engineering includes replacement need in 2 or 3 years.
Apple Mac engineering lasts longer - viable market buy/sell used Mac's:
http://www.powermax.com/
Keep Smiling [:)]
I sure am waiting for the HP.
Being able to use Logos and READ MY BOOKS EVEN IF THERE IS NO INTERNET/WIFI/3G CONNECTION is ultra-important. Want to go to the country and research in your Logos books with an iPad? Have fun finding a signal.
Someone here said HP uses planned obsolescence which has never been the case with ANY HP item I have owned. I had an HP laser printer than year after year I would hope it would die so I could upgrade and it just kept plugging away, 1.5 decades after I purchased it!
A second reason why HP rocks is I bought an HP laptop in July of last year. In December, the battery died. I just figured I would have to buy one so I placed an order for one on eBay. It didn't even occur to me that the battery might be covered still, and even if it is, how much trouble is it to figure out getting a replacement??? Well, the NEXT time I booted, using the powercord since the battery would not charge, a message popped up on my laptop saying, "Battery is bad, STILL covered under warranty, click here for replacement!" I was astounded! I clicked and HP sent a NEW battery with postage-paid envelope for the old one.
(I used the generic one I bought on eBay and resold the new HP battery once it arrived for a profit.)
I have written about 80 books, published worldwide, about computers. Being an author does NOT make me an expert, and I do not talk about the books to brag. Really! I say that only to say I do understand technology and I did a lot of research on iPad wanting one JUST FOR LOGOS. And I decided against it.
I WILL get the HP tablet in a couple of months when it comes out and I made this decision based SOLELY on my use of Logos.
If anyone disagrees, you need to read their justification because they have valid reasons for preferring the iPad. But it's not for me due to my using it for Logos.
GP
It might be wise to wait and see how L4 functions with a touch interface it wasn't designed for. Then you'd be in a better position to choose...
Thanks, Good solid arguments pro and con.
I will buy one just because of LOGOS4 - one other question I would have is: how will the Slate's screen do in camparison with the ipad. I like to do my research under my figtree in the sun (just like Jesus ) and the sun's reflection on the screen is important. With my laptop I can hardly read in bright light outside...
I don't mean this as a Mac vs. Windows response (so please hear me out), but I'd never consider the HP Slate simply because it's running Windows--an OS not specifically designed for a touch interface. To give fair time, I also wouldn't buy a touch-based Mac (Axiotron makes them) for the same reason.
It's too early to know if the iPad will be successful where no touch screen computer has been before. But if it is successful, I believe it is because the interface has been completely rethought for use with fingers instead of a mouse (or even a stylus).
The interface is what the iPad brings new to the table of touchscreen computers. I've yet to see what the HP Slate brings that's really new. I realize that Windows 7 is "touch enabled," but is there a significant difference in the way you interact with it from what you normally do with a mouse?
The iPad has a higher resolution screen--somewhere around 130 dpi if I remember correctly--which makes using it as an eReader favorable to a regular computer. Is the HP Slate going to have anything greater than the standard Windows resolution of 96 dpi?
The iPad has been surprisingly fast in my experience because it is using a chip customized for the device and the interface. As already mentioned above, the HP Slate is going to use a standard Intel Atom 1.6 ghz processor which is found in the majority of (s)low-powered netbooks out there and meets only the minimum of L4's requirements in Windows.
Again, it's too early to tell if the iPad will be a success, but if it is (and I think it will be), it will be because it brings something entirely new to the table. It brings a new platform in which the computer has been completely rethought for the way we interact with it. A lot of people are excited about it. I don't see as many people excited about a touch-enabled netbook. But we'll see.
how about waiting a few more months My solution is, get the platform that you can afford and that works best for you at the time (AND, one that runs Logos well!). Save your money and in a couple more years buy the next new and improved "needed" gadget. Then, bless someone with your old one!
My solution is, get the platform that you can afford and that works best for you at the time (AND, one that runs Logos well!). Save your money and in a couple more years buy the next new and improved "needed" gadget. Then, bless someone with your old one!
This is exactly my plan, and why I went ahead and purchased the iPad 16GB now. As my need increases I'll buy a much bigger tablet storage-wise(gonna be a 2nd gen iPad). Then I'll bless a brother or sister with my old one. Did this with my first gen ipod-touch, really made my friend happy.
let me be on record as offering myself as "friend" to anyone wishing to pass on their old 1st Gen iPads in the future. . .
Being able to use Logos and READ MY BOOKS EVEN IF THERE IS NO INTERNET/WIFI/3G CONNECTION is ultra-important. Want to go to the country and research in your Logos books with an iPad? Have fun finding a signal. ......I made this decision based SOLELY on my use of Logos.
......I made this decision based SOLELY on my use of Logos.
This is the only reason why I am holding out on purchasing the iPad right now.
Or, just plan ahead and download your books when you have internet access...
Observation: know several old HP laser printers reliably used in an office for many years, including after HP stopped selling and supporting them.
HP publishes ink jet expiration information:
http://www.hp.com/pageyield/articles/us/en/InkExpiration.html
After couple years use, HP TX1000 tablet with Vista Home Premium no longer able to boot up. Google search finds others in same situation. With recent experience, wonder about HP Slate's engineered durability.
For Logos 4, suspect HP TouchSmart tm2t tablet (or Toshiba Portege M780 series) being more responsive than HP Slate - albeit bit more $$$.
Looking forward to Logos 4 review(s) on iPad and HP Slate.
See my review of Logos 1.4 on the iPad here.
Great review...only thing missing is to address the "connected" methods to access the full version of L4 from the iPAD (http://community.logos.com/forums/p/15514/118421.aspx#118421 ) I'd imagine this would require the Unlimited Data plan though...
It should work with wifi as well.
Well, if you were waiting on the HP Slate to run the full version of Logos 4/Win, it looks like that ship has sailed:http://blogs.barrons.com/techtraderdaily/2010/04/30/hp-reportedly-abandons-plan-to-build-windows-7-based-tablet/?mod=yahoobarrons
I'm certain that HP will still release the slate, but it's not going to run Windows, but probably Palm's Web OS for which there is no current Logos release.
This goes back to what I was saying the other day about the fact that the advantage of the iPad's OS (and by extension Palm's Web OS, for that matter) is that it was made for touch and not a mouse.
The success of the iPad (selling at least a million units in a month's time) has already proven that the OS matters.
All that to say, if you want Logos on a tablet device, and were waiting for the HP Slate, you probably ought to reconsider the iPad.
Perhaps you should read Terry's post on another thread in this forum. http://community.logos.com/forums/t/16378.aspx
Interesting. I'm not bothered, I'm going iPad when it is released in UK and I can afford it.
Here's a good one: "iPad Killer: We Can't Even Get an iPad Challenger"
Well, looks I will have to rethink the iPad idea (if HP Slate is dead)... and we thought it will deliver us from the closed-platform-device...
I wouldn't call the slate dead quit yet: http://www.examiner.com/x-11295-LA-Gadgets-Examiner~y2010m5d8-HP-Hurricane-webOS-tablet--likely-to-be-released-this-ub-3rd-qyarter
If it comes with Window 7,then it is not dead.
I wouldn't call the slate dead quit yet: http://www.examiner.com/x-11295-LA-Gadgets-Examiner~y2010m5d8-HP-Hurricane-webOS-tablet--likely-to-be-released-this-ub-3rd-qyarter If it comes with Window 7,then it is not dead.
Of course it all may be vaporware until it actually ships, but the latest 'news' articles (really just rumors) point to a new name and new operating system. Make what you will of it.
I waited for HP's Slate after they had MS's CEO tout it...and waited...
not again. Movin' on.
Since HP canned the slate, maybe Google is steepiing into the battle?
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20670001&sid=aIAw8jhEQoxU
By Amy Thomson and Brian Womack
May 11 (Bloomberg) -- Google Inc. is in talks with Verizon Wireless to develop a tablet computer that would compete with Apple Inc.’s hit iPad.
The tablet will run on Google’s Android operating system, Marquett Smith, a spokesman for Verizon, said today in a phone interview. He declined to elaborate and said the carrier will release more details later this week.
The device would accelerate the rivalry between Apple and Google, which already compete in wireless software and mobile advertising. Apple released the iPad in the U.S. on April 3 and sold a million of them in 28 days. Mountain View, California- based Google has worked to move beyond its core business of Internet search and into mobile services.
“Everyone is going to have a device that is going to compete with the iPad,” said Al Hilwa, an analyst at research firm IDC in Seattle. “Apple created that market, legitimized it. Everybody has seen that this is going to be huge.”
Google has nothing to announce at this time, the company said in an e-mailed statement.
“Anyone can take the Android platform and add code or download it to create a mobile device without restrictions,” the company said. “We look forward to seeing what contributions are made and how an open platform spurs innovation.”
Google, the world’s most popular search engine, declined $12.60 to $509.05 at 4 p.m. New York time in Nasdaq Stock Market trading. It has dropped 18 percent this year. Verizon Communications Inc., which co-owns Verizon Wireless with Vodafone Group Plc, fell 21 cents to $28.40 on the New York Stock Exchange. The stock has lost 14 percent this year. Verizon Communications is based in New York.
Verizon Variety
Now that most U.S. consumers own mobile phones, Verizon Wireless aims to boost sales of service for other kinds of devices, including e-readers and laptop computers. The U.S. has enough phones for more than 90 percent of the population, limiting growth opportunities there.
“Obviously, the carriers want to get in on this gig,” Hilwa said. “It’s going to be very competitive.”
Apple, based in Cupertino, California, had a head start over its rivals, releasing the iPad in a “very mature form,” he said.
“It’s probably going to take a year to two years for them to get to the same functionality as the iPad,” Hilwa said.
The Wall Street Journal reported the tablet plans earlier today.
To contact the reporter on this story: Amy Thomson in New York at athomson6@bloomberg.net; Brian Womack in San Francisco at bwomack1@bloomberg.net
