religion of Judea at the time of Jesus

Christian Alexander
Christian Alexander Member Posts: 3,008 ✭✭✭
edited November 2024 in English Forum

I have heard per a podcast that the religion of Judea at the time of Jesus was Pharisaism. Is that true? How can I find this using Logos? 

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  • DMB
    DMB Member Posts: 14,460 ✭✭✭✭

    I don't understand ... you're already familiar with Josephus ... even body-counts for pharisees. Did your podcast decide Josephus got it wildly wrong?

    "If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.

  • Christian Alexander
    Christian Alexander Member Posts: 3,008 ✭✭✭

    Yes and I am very familiar with Josephus. It was a live talk at a university near me. It had a few rejoinders in Steve Mason and H. Greg Snyder who downed it immediately. It said that Pharisees and their religion was the religion of Judea at the time of Jesus Christ. It said Josephus was incorrect within his interpretation. It mentioned the article "The Religion of the Jews at the Time of Jesus" By Louis Ginzberg. It stated that that era's religion required benevolence and mercy rather than sacrifice. The reason Jesus is represented as opposed to the Pharisees is that when the Gospels were written, Christians and non-Christian Jews were vying for leadership of the Jewish faith. The fact is that they had many identical beliefs, but because non-Christian Jews refused to acknowledge Jesus as Messiah, ties between the two organizations were strained. Although Jesus was similar to the Pharisees, his teachings were more radical. In the first century, Judea was primarily inhabited by two groups: Jews and Romans. The Jews had long lived in the land that God had promised their patriarch, Abraham, and the Romans were the newcomers, the latest conquerors in a long series of challenges to Jewish control of the region. The five Jewish groups exhibit a range of relational views toward the Romans and one another in terms of religious and non-religious observances, lifestyles, and attitudes. Of all the factions, the Herodians were the most politically allied with Rome and culturally akin to Hellenistic and Greco-Roman culture. They were rich and powerful. They were just mildly religious. King Herod the Great installed mikvehs in all of his palaces, yet he was a violent and terrible man. I thought it was sort of crazy. I am not sure. It said to read Josephus and the Politics of Historiography Apologetic and Impression Management in the Bellum Judaicum, Josephus, the Historian and His Society, The Laughing Jesus Religious Lies and Gnostic Wisdom and A Jew Among Romans The Life and Legacy of Flavius Josephus

  • DMB
    DMB Member Posts: 14,460 ✭✭✭✭

    I guess we're confusing 'time of Jesus' with 'when the gospels were written'. The latter, Phariseeism re-stated into Mishnah-like views. Although, even that is a big stretch, given the diaspora/Hellenism.

    But common sense, there'd have to be a whole lot more evidence archaeologically (there isn't). And Paul was just average ('I'm a Pharisee')?

    "If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.

  • Christian Alexander
    Christian Alexander Member Posts: 3,008 ✭✭✭
  • Christian Alexander
    Christian Alexander Member Posts: 3,008 ✭✭✭

    I own The Pharisees by Amy-Jill Levine; Joseph Sievers. Where does this work sit on the spectrum?

  • DMB
    DMB Member Posts: 14,460 ✭✭✭✭

    I don't understand ... that's why you have it ... to find out.

    If you're short on time, scanning the contributed articles and the phrase 'jewish laity' is a major clue.

    "If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.