Verbum VS Logos
What’s the difference between Logos and Verbum?
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Verbum is Logos slightly tweaked to appeal to Catholic preferences instead of Protestant ones. It is basically a cosmetic difference.
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Logos is better and if you have Catholic books and lectionaries there‘s really no need to spend money on a Verbum department as it seems kind of redundant to own two virtually identical softwares. Instead, Money should be spent on optimizing Logos. Verbum should be absorbed into the Logos line up of denominational base packages. Instead of “Verbum“ just do Logos Catholic Starter, Bronze, etc., that way lay-offs might be prevented. I hope the new CEO is taking notes 😉
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DAL said:
Instead of “Verbum“ just do Logos Catholic Starter, Bronze, etc., that way lay-offs might be prevented. I hope the new CEO is taking notes 😉
While I agree that the base program should be the same with only a switch controlling which one is running, I have been on the boards & forums long enough to understand that Faithlife must market them as separate products as there are too many customers who would be offended if THEIR software was used by the devil.
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MJ. Smith said:
While I agree that the base program should be the same with only a switch controlling which one is running, I have been on the boards & forums long enough to understand that Faithlife must market them as separate products as there are too many customers who would be offended if THEIR software was used by the devil.
Very well put MJ - and it’s a tragedy that is the case - on both sides.
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What GregW said.
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MJ. Smith said:
While I agree that the base program should be the same with only a switch controlling which one is running, I have been on the boards & forums long enough to understand that Faithlife must market them as separate products as there are too many customers who would be offended if THEIR software was used by the devil.
I must almost disagree. In my mind, Verbum (or Noet, or eBooks, I forget) was a test case on whether Faithlife could do more than re-badge a product line. And they couldn't. Sure some collections, a little calendar stuff, etc. And frankly I like the Verbum symbol better than the magnifying glass with target symbol.
Instead, they have a increasingly bloated, maintenance-heavy, product that has a fairly narrow focus. At church I have a hard time selecting who would want it (vs an OliveTree or maybe an Accordance). And best I can see, they plan about 2-3 years into the future, which means the wagons just keep circling around in hopes someone will want one.
Yes, it's a great product for the targeted customer. But what's next? More of the same?
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DMB said:
Instead, they have a increasingly bloated, maintenance-heavy, product that has a fairly narrow focus.
I don't think so. The product is identical with Logos, with minimal changes (some functionality they chose not to implement in Verbum, which I never understood since not having parity is driving difference i.e. more effort), nothing bloated that Logos hasn't in the exact same way. The differences are not maintenance-heavy - in fact what would require maintenance has been neglected for years such as updates to the catholic topical index. In fact the existence of the command "set Verbum to yes" and that it works in full operation without even requiring a software restart is a strong indicator that it's basically the same thing.
What you call "focus" comes from the userbase that seems partly incompatible, but the effort to maintain that is relatively low. And users can have two working installations of basically the same software running in parallel if they want to. I don't see a real "focus" on catholic, orthodox or other more liturgical-minded traditions, there could be much more done (and I wouldn't want that to differentiate Verbum from Logos, it should be available for all users if they want it).
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NB ... I think we agree on Logos vs Verbum. Basically re-badged, with a little this and that. I don't count Verbum as a serious Catholic-oriented software platform. And I doubt, as a result, FL can to much more than pick up the margins of the majority orientation of Christianity.
Bloated ... in the sense of progressively less significant updates, to fewer and fewer likely users of those new features. I use my Logos7 and my Logos 10. I miss almost nothing, moving back and forth. Sermon support yes. Some workflow support they gave up on? Teaching, lessons, and papers support? More obtuse searching mascarading as simplified?
Always guessing, I'd say their future is seminaries and pastors. Do the math, and you're done.
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DAL said:
Logos is better and if you have Catholic books and lectionaries there‘s really no need to spend money on a Verbum department as it seems kind of redundant to own two virtually identical softwares. Instead, Money should be spent on optimizing Logos. Verbum should be absorbed into the Logos line up of denominational base packages. Instead of “Verbum“ just do Logos Catholic Starter, Bronze, etc., that way lay-offs might be prevented. I hope the new CEO is taking notes 😉
DAL
Long Live Logos!
Agreed!
Verbum just shows the the blatant bias of Logos towards Catholics, imho..... [8-|]
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DAL said:
Logos is better
Actually, they are so similar that neither is "better" - and I have run them side by side since Verbum was created. I've always wanted to say Faithlife thinks Verbum users are smarter because it lacks the help cards but I know that is not the real reason - simply my warped sense of humor. They have always had slight differences in third party sites that are available and Faithlife appears in L10 to be broadening the exclusion of features based on content. Having both, I still have access to the content and suspect that the mainline Protestants ignore the features as well. In theory, enough business on the Verbum side of the house would result in the creation of similar Verbum data.
A while back a person posted that they had not read the deuterocanonical books in 40 years. My gut reaction was that not reading all sorts of deuterocanonical books/apocrypha they were ignoring a major chunk of the cultural context of scripture. Similarly, I would be lost without Ginsberg and Vilnay to find the connotations of Biblical people and places. I know, however, this is a result of not only my training but my personal interests. I am more at home in Jewish Biblical interpretation than evangelical Biblical interpretation. What I expect to see over the next two decades is for the Logos/Verbum distinction to continue to be made as required by some users on both sides but for feature sets to start falling along a laity-lay leaders-Bible college-seminary-academic lines and that much of the growth in features will be driven by the various types of Biblical criticism and by a broader world base. I personally wish that Faithlife would put some focus on preserving/distributing the books of the Christian groups of the Islamic world that are being forced from their historic communities into a diaspora - but I can't claim there is much profit in that.
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DMB said:
I must almost disagree.
I'd say it sure sounds like you agree with me that the software should be a single product but that the market place requires separate names.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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DMB said:
Bloated ... in the sense of progressively less significant updates
Hmm... I call that a mark of maturity in software rather than bloat.
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I downloaded Verbum in order to get the Logos 10 engine. I do not to desire to have the Catholic books or Verbum version of Logos. What is the easiest way to go back to having only the Logos software? Thank you.
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Steve Rajczyk said:
What is the easiest way to go back to having only the Logos software?
You can contact Logos to remove any licenses you added.
Steve Rajczyk said:I downloaded Verbum in order to get the Logos 10 engine.
Was that an accident? You do know you could have downloaded the Logos engine, right? FYI - the current version is 31.3
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I was instructed on a forum that the easiest way to get the Logos 10 engine was to download Verbum, which worked, but I don't want all of the material that comes with it.
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Steve Rajczyk said:
I was instructed on a forum that the easiest way to get the Logos 10 engine was to download Verbum
I don't see any interaction by you, so you must have read someone else's post. When you have questions, please do post and ask questions. Taking someone else's medicine can be a tough pill to swallow.
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I called support and there is no Verbum program in my computer although I see a few files in resources that refer to the catholic dictionary and Council of Trent. When I click the far upper left icon in Logos and search the word catholic several hits come up but when clicked on it says "you don't own this title". Is that normal for those to pop up on a search?
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Steve Rajczyk said:
I called support and there is no Verbum program in my computer although I see a few files in resources that refer to the catholic dictionary and Council of Trent. When I click the far upper left icon in Logos and search the word catholic several hits come up but when clicked on it says "you don't own this title". Is that normal for those to pop up on a search?
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EastTN said:
Since my almost-disagree, followed by sounds-agree re-appears, maybe I should expand more (well, gee!).
- If one views Faithlife's final abode, as a stack-and-rack and look-it-up tool (soon to come summarze-the-stack), then, yes, a single app, re-badged by Christian group, along with targeted marketing.
- If you view Faithlife as pretty much done (a few neato tools to add), along with a declining market, then yes, a single app, and eventually a single marketing presentation.
- But if Faithlife has any hope of breaking into the 'church' market (after failing at the back-office market), tailored apps are unavoidable. Catholics think different from Protestants. And visa versa. I'm talking pew-sitters.
Now, judging from Faithlife's long reluctance to support Verbum (period), option 3 is probably out.
So.
Sounds like agree!
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Personally, I understand the "need" of one software for both markets (Catholic / Protestant). Maintenance along would be lesser of an issue. And I have no problem with it with one caveat.... I do not wish to have to wade through the books called Apocrypha do do searches and such. As long as Protestant vs Catholic can be preserved... I'm ok.
Since Logos software is determined a lot by market and since there are more Catholics in the market .... and if that becomes an issue that determines what the software does... well... I just hope that doesn't happen. I have every hope that Logos does and can and will work for both.
Edit: I thought about turning on Verbum on my computer. One reason was that it would give me what I think it the ability to have 2 instances of Logos running. I have 2 monitors and find times when 2 instances of Logos would be helpful to run. Upon further research, I decided against Verbum. I hope one day that we can run multiple instances of Logos for people that have multiple monitors. [8-|]
xn = Christan man=man -- Acts 11:26 "....and the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch".
Barney Fife is my hero! He only uses an abacus with 14 rows!
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Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Why has this thread been revived after a year? 😂😂😂
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