AI and Logos API
Dearest Logos,
With the coming integration of AI into Logos (which is fantastic, by the way!), would it be possible to bring back API access to the Logos library?
Consider the following reasons:
#1) People have different AI accounts (OpenAI, Gemini Pro, etc.) as well as local LLM (LLama, Mistral, Claude, etc.) with different permissions. Direct access via API to connect to a specific AI removes the limitations that Logos has imposed.
#2) I would like to take my AI searching to the next level and customize the searches, moving beyond the feature set of Logos' AI.
#3) Image access is important too (Midjourney, Dalle, Stable Diffusion) to take my PowerPoint to the next level.
#4) I would like to generate content with AI and move it to a personal book, notes, etc., with full tagging for archiving and future searching.
#5) I'll hold off on any more brainstorming : )
For the API access:
AI Full Logos book access, including all the specialized tagging.
AI exports of full concordance tool data for in-depth statistical analysis.
AI access to original languages, morphological, and Grammatical for complex literary and structural analysis. Text comparison, etc.
I can appreciate the fear of copyrighted material being leveraged in this manner, but the use of AI for analysis is advancing by leaps and bounds. In all candor, no single person, publisher, or software developer can keep up with this transformative technology. Therefore, truly unlimited API access is needed to leverage this amazing technology with the amazing Logos Library, Tools, and Tagging.
What do you think?
- John Fallahee, LearnLogos.com
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John Fallahee said:
What do you think?
My thoughts: Franzen, Grisham and Other Prominent Authors Sue OpenAI - The New York Times (nytimes.com), 'New York Times' sues ChatGPT creator OpenAI, Microsoft, for copyright infringement : NPR, etc. combined with the percentage of Logos users that are tech savvy and aware of the legal issues combined to make me think it is best to wait until the legal dust settles a bit. But planning for some implementation after the legal wrangling would be wise.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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I am familiar with that lawsuit. In light of this, it makes even more sense for the user to enable their own direct AI account, rather than Logos being a mediator or surrogate.
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John Fallahee said:
In light of this, it makes even more sense for the user to enable their own direct AI account, rather than Logos being a mediator or surrogate.
Perhaps, but I would double check the Logos contracts with regards to an API that would facilitate the AI use of the API. I would prefer that Logos spend at least another year shoring up the current app and completing some features before stepping into a potential quagmire. I agree that your idea is a good idea and one that will likely be adopted - so plan for it. But don't implement it until the legal landscape and technical implementation is more settled.
My caution is built from experience. I managed the first implementation of an administrative web application to replace paper input at the departmental level at a major research university. Unfortunately, some other administrative apps tried to follow before the technology could be scaled up to handle the data - they essentially threw away tens of millions of dollars for glitz and prestige, not user experience. There are large swathes of applications that the current chat bots are ready for and where there are no ethical questions. Let those apps pave the way for others.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Thanks for those additional thoughts! That sounds like quite an experience at the university : )
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I think it is highly problematic to give those companies access to the valuable logos resources. They don't use it for good (see for example Gemini) and they don't respect copyright. I don't know which companies Logos partners right now with AI (except DeepL). But I am not sure they would honour the contracts and not use the data for their models. For example in the German Logos there have been resources digitized that were not available digtially before.
I personally would prefer to use self hosted (Open Source) models.
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OpenAI is leading the charge for confidentiality via their API. Below is a concise summary.
On a side note, my employer has signed a ZDR (Zero Data Retention) Policy with OpenAI so that we remain HIPPA Compliant with our patient information.
OpenAI API data usage policies currently state the following:- OpenAI will not use data submitted by customers via API to train or improve their models, unless you explicitly decide to share your data with OpenAI for this purpose (emphasis added). You can opt-in to share data.
- Note: ClaimMaster has not opted-in to share data and will never do so in the future.
- Any data sent through the API will be retained for abuse and misuse monitoring purposes for a maximum of 30 days, after which it will be deleted (unless otherwise required by law).
- A limited number of authorized OpenAI employees, as well as specialized third-party contractors that are subject to confidentiality and security obligations, can access this data solely to investigate and verify suspected abuse.
- OpenAI website's states that its servers are currently located in the US.
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I am sure they write this in their data usage policy. I am not so sure that they keep their commitment given their track record.
Later you would have to be able to proof that they used your data to train their models and if you are able to do so it is very difficult if not impossible to remove certain training data from the model.
They already fully ingested huge illegal ebook file sharing sites and protected art work as well as news articles.
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John Fallahee said:
AI Full Logos book access ...
Wouldn't publishers/copyright holders have to give consent to this for their books? If so, it seems like a moot point pitching it to Logos (except for Lexham books?). I'm still missing the L6 Send-to-Kindle feature; I don't see much hope for this 'radical' idea, though I would love to be wrong.
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John,
All the useful comments have been stated. I'm curious. As a trainer, what is your vision for using AI with open access to the API?
Meanwhile, Jesus kept on growing wiser and more mature, and in favor with God and his fellow man.
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Let's just say, at this point, the possibilities are nearly limitless. I have several ideas I am testing out behind the scenes. Sorry, I can't be more specific, but it's exciting. There are practical issues I am working through as I type this out.
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Has there been any more news/info on this? I think it would be a fantastic idea to expose the tools and library through an API. It could be a pay per use model similar to most other software companies. I'm not sure that the big companies would be all that interested in using the data to train their models given all of the data they currently have. But in the latest on agentic AI, I could see combining the Logos API with other AI agents to create some really awesome apps.
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You do realize, that just like any diamond you see in the store, anything with "AI" on it is basically blood money.
That those generative models you mentioned have from the shadows plundered basically everyone alive and then turned and destroyed the livelihood of millions of artists. You know this, right? You're ok with that?You know there were three people being crucified that fateful day on Calvary.
And the other two were thieves. …
That's what the world thought of thieves throughout all of human history. But with this generation, it's fine now?
It's JUST FINE?Tell me, can men get pregnant? Are there two hundred genders? Do cow farts cause forest fires? No?
But the same government that preaches these things is so adamant about AI that they've declared a "national emergency" to develop it, like we're all going to die tomorrow if we don't.The same God in that book this software is based on provided the death penalty for adultery.
That government that supports this "AI" says adultery is just fine. So is it just fine? The US Copyright Office is obviously compromised by the vested interest of the most powerful and dangerous men in the world and so systematic serial theft is something the Christians can partake in; like they're fans in a coliseum cheering on lions ripping people apart and acting like their participation is a victimless crime.
Or is everything legal man as long as you don't get caught.
When the walls came down
Hallway to hell
Never saw them when they're standing
Never saw them when they fell
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You are right to be concerned with AI and it's implication. History has proven that with every innovation, their are risks and implications. As Christians, we are called to obey the word while also engaging the world with wisdom and grace (Colossians 4:6). Keep in mind, that new technologies have often been met with fear, but they have also been tools for spreading the Gospel and improving lives.
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