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I have one computer and my wife and I both use it. I would like to keep it private.
Yeah it's all part of the 'become one flesh' business. It really hard for the left hand not to know what the right hand is doing. ;-)
Even if it were possible the probability of unintended consequences would be frightening.
Have you thought of keeping a note book in the back pocket of your pants?
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Yeah it's all part of the 'become one flesh' business. It really hard for the left hand not to know what the right hand is doing. ;-)
Even if it were possible the probability of unintended consequences would be frightening.
Mike, you're a wealth of practicality. Hopefully Steve can resolve it.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
Not so much an issue with the wife but the kids also use Logos on the same computer for school. None of them actively use the prayer list (currently), but I'm concerned there could be private prayer requests on the list for various people in the church and I don't want the kids to stumble onto it or even my wife find something inadvertently that would betray a confidence (such as if I were counseling a male member of the church about pornography or marital infidelity).
I resolved the issue (at least to my satisfaction currently) by putting anything that is sensitive in code that only I understand. Such as MDWS for "marriage difficulties with spouse" or PKNS "pray for kids not saved" etc. This could also be as extensive as LI24312 for someone whose last infidelity was on March 12th, 2024.
I'm sure my wife could figure out some of these codes given that she knows how I think. But I doubt the kids could. I do wish there was a way to password protect the prayer list, though.
Steven
I do wish there was a way to password protect the prayer list, though.
Keep in mind too as far as I know from the last time I asked in 2017, Logos has not enabled any data encryption on the data (our data) kept in the cloud (I think they use Amazon Web Services, but that could have changed by now.) Our account info is encrypted. It's the reason I stopped using the prayer list. If you have data in your prayers list (or in any Logos data, like Notes, Documents) that would result in a real problem if AWS was hacked and that data put on the dark web, you may want to rethink what you store in Logos.
Here are the threads - now there has been a change in management too, but the key sentence from Bob to me was:
"So, if you take user privacy _really_ seriously, I agree you shouldn't store stuff in our Notes files."
https://community.logos.com/forums/t/154701.aspx
https://community.logos.com/forums/t/130633.aspx?PageIndex=1
Maybe someone from Logos will see this and give us an update. Maybe technology and costs have changed such that our data is encrypted now? (if they did change to using encryption they should have showed it from the rooftops!)
Hi Steven. I have a similar situation in that I use Logos prayer lists and I have family members who have access to my account. I think your code idea is problematic because it wouldn't take much to break it so if you're concerned about confidentialities then I don't think that will achieve your goal.
I see this list as a reminder prompt to pray for that person, family or situation rather than anything specific, although I may on occasion be more specific if that person appears multiple times on the list and/or it is something that is not confidential. I have a separate notebook/system that is confidential where I can keep discipleship/counselling notes.
Here's some (obviously with name changes) examples of things on my list:
- Pray for (daughter/son)'s future spouse
My kids see this and I'm totally OK with them knowing that I pray for them in this way. 2 of them are now at stage where this is more than just theoretical 
and so when this prayer item comes up my thoughts might be focused more specifically but I'm not going to put that into my note for their siblings to see.
- Pray for (church family)'s marriage, that they will love each other well.
Even healthy marriages deserve prayer, and the fact that a particular couple is on my list couldn't/shouldn't be interpreted as evidence of some specific problem. Considering my own marriage is on the list as well it again makes me OK with family members or (people looking over my shoulder and seeing it on my home page) knowing that it is on my list. My notes may contain information about the issue of infidelity, infertility or insolvency that I am walking through with them but that doesn't need to be on the prayer prompt. I don't have so many people on the list that I would forget what is going on with them at the current time.
- Pray for (individual) that they will draw closer to the Lord
I can pray the same prayer that Paul prayed for the Ephesians, regardless of what I may think about their state of grace/salvation, etc. Agan, I don't have so many people on my list that when prompted their specific situation does not quickly come to mind. And again, because it is a positive prayer I'm OK with someone else seeing it. In fact, it is not uncommon for the person themselves to see that they are on my list.
BTW, there are very few things I have set to daily reminders. I don't promise people that I will pray for them daily (because that would be a lie), so what I like about the way I use the prayer lists is it prompts me to also reach out to that person personally, to tell them I was praying for them. It ends up being a very easy way to stay connected.
I hope this helps you figure out what's going to work for you.
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How much can you keep inside your head [+ nowhere else]?
Possibly just keeping a name on the list is enough to recall the situation.
God has given some folks great memories.
There is very little I can actually keep in my head these days. I'm not certain why that is. Most things go out as quickly as it has come in. Quite often I'm in my own head and can be talking to someone and not actually hear them at all. It frustrates my wife to no end. Hence, the need for a prayer list to begin with.
There is very little I can actually keep in my head these days. I'm not certain why that is. Most things go out as quickly as it has come in. Quite often I'm in my own head and can be talking to someone and not actually hear them at all
Steve, I get like that under stress.
You have acronym codes for info. Here is an idea from way, way out in left field.
Cops use the 10 code system. Make up your own code system.
You're a pastor, so all codes start with 7. [Coz 7 is the number of God]
7-100 is finances/bankruptcy. [Coz 100 cents in a buck]
7-1 is martial problems. [Coz if they aren't careful they will be one not two]...Or use 7-6 for this, as six is close to sex.
The idea is to make a number with a hook. 7-21 is for gambling. [Coz of the card game 21]
xxxxxx
If you do not have too many on the list, this will work without having to write down their names.
7-45 is for criminal activity. [Coz .45 is a gun]
7-RS is s/he constantly parties, in the bars. [Coz the Rolling Stones partied really heavily, especially Keef]
I'll leave it at that.
Hi Steven. I have a similar situation in that I use Logos prayer lists and I have family members who have access to my account. I think your code idea is problematic because it wouldn't take much to break it so if you're concerned about confidentialities then I don't think that will achieve your goal.
Hey Jeremy. Thanks for the comments and tips. I agree, there can be problems with the codes, but used sparingly I think it should be okay. I do think I will be reconsidering the use of last names though, and maybe even pseudonyms if necessary for people. This is not in a capacity of formal biblical counseling, but it could be in the future. Since taking over the Sunday School class, though, people now regularly come up to me to either ask personal questions, ask theological questions, or confide about something to do with their children, their marriages, or other people in the church (which is always tricky). I just don't like the left knowing what the right is doing, so if I can avoid it, I will try. But, at the same time, I like the prayer list feature in Logos, so I'm trying to make it all work together.
I see this list as a reminder prompt to pray for that person, family or situation rather than anything specific.....I have a separate notebook/system that is confidential where I can keep discipleship/counseling notes.
I would agree, but I need more reminding than maybe others do. Plus, I'm doing most of the praying in the early mornings (usually starting around 4:30 or 5:00) and I'm quite groggy. I'm certain if I ever started doing biblical counseling formally, I would have an encrypted records system.
because it is a positive prayer I'm OK with someone else seeing it. In fact, it is not uncommon for the person themselves to see that they are on my list.
I don't know why, I'm just not okay with it. Mostly, though, intercessory prayer isn't positive, at least in my experience. When praying for the kids, I'm wrestling with their problems, with their shortcomings, with their issues. I don't want their siblings to be reading about this stuff. But mostly I don't want prayers about the kids' friends if they're struggling, or about other people in the church they might know. It's just too personal and sensitive. At this point, I think I've found a solution for it. Plus, at this point, the kids don't even know how to access documents in Logos. So it will take a year or more before they're at that point. But it will come when they know more about it that I do. Just want to try and stay one or two steps ahead of them for as long as I can.
BTW, there are very few things I have set to daily reminders. I don't promise people that I will pray for them daily (because that would be a lie), so what I like about the way I use the prayer lists is it prompts me to also reach out to that person personally, to tell them I was praying for them. It ends up being a very easy way to stay connected.
I hope this helps you figure out what's going to work for you.
Mine are the opposite. I have all of my prayers set as daily reminders. This doesn't mean I necessarily pray each and every one every single day, but I do want the reminder to do so if I can. My list is long and continually growing, but this is also why I want to use Logos because I like the ubiquity between the desktop and the mobile app as I already stated: being able to do most of my updates to the list on the laptop but having access to the list when I'm out and about and have a spare moment, I can then pray and keep focused on what I should be praying about, for, etc.
Anyway, thank you for responding to my post. Its great to talk to people on this forum who are positive and helpful.
Steven
If you and your wife are using the same installation of Logos then all information will be visible to both of you as you are both using the same Logos account